The Enadian Herald

[The United Australian States]

Could you possibly post a link on NationStates forum post rules for me? I was unaware that there were listed site rules about the number of words and paragraphs I could type in the "Today in Enadia's" forum.

This right here is a part of Enadia's image problem. There are unwritten uncodified community preferences to ensure readability of posts such as preferences against large images, image FA updates, extremely large walls of text not broken into paragraphs, etc. Instead of kindly acknowledging and incorporating some of these changes Enadia promptly sticks it to the community member, asks for a rule citation, and says that they will proceed without changes. Enadia then plays the victim, wondering why members of the community despise them, all other reasons withstanding. Wonder no longer, Enadia.

Hello and thanks for the response! From what most people's perspective, it is clear that I was asking for clarification on that because this is the first time I have used NationState's forum. Thank you for clarifying that large walls of text are not preferred. I will be sure to change the earlier posts to reflect community preferences. As for your last point, I am sincerely asking why that was needed... As a new member on the forum, I asked about possible rules so I in fact can adjust my forum writing... "There are unwritten uncodified community preferences to ensure readability of posts such as preferences against large images, image FA updates, extremely large walls of text not broken into paragraphs, etc. Instead of kindly acknowledging and incorporating some of these changes Enadia promptly sticks it to the community member, asks for a rule citation, and says that they will proceed without changes."

No one said the statement in bold... I asked the question so I in fact could proceed with changes to meet community preferences. It is clear that you have an end goal in mind here and I do not appreciate it when I, a new member of the forums, is assumed to be this awful person when I don't get a chance to respond. Your statement is not only false but also malicious. I hope that you have a better day and that you stay safe during these times.

[United Calanworie]

How about someone's opinion who isn't in Osiris, perchance.

Enadia is a region that harbors people who are OOC bad (like this person), and who conduct themselves in a poor manner across these forums. When confronted about it, along with the other behaviors that Enadia has, such as violating the Arnhelm Declaration that they ratified, in a spectacular fashion, mind you, the response is essentially "You don't know what you're talking about." It's fairly clear that Enadia doesn't care for the opinion of those in Gameplay. The problem at hand here is the response to the incredibly valid criticism being leveled, which is along the lines of "Why should we trust you, you've managed to screw up so much stuff recently and in the past that we find it hard to believe that you could possibly be doing this without some shady ulterior motive." The response to that is "lol k" (paraphrased) from every governmental member is infuriating. Just own the bad behavior, and perhaps we can move on from there.

Congratulations, you managed to make anything you have to say on this matter completely and utterly irrelevant with this one line, by making it clear you have no idea what you're talking about. You say Syberis has "completely failed" to go after other regions with bigger problems? You think I have failed to go after worse regions? And Rein? And Drac? That is ignorant nonsense.

By the way, I've never seen this many Enadian nations on Enadia's forum thread before. Usually it's just Latrovia and his friend Kaystein. And you're all using the same charged term, too.

First of all, it is insultingly clear even to on-lookers that Enadia's regional leaders posted the link to this thread and said "Let's cry harassment on the forums!", and its members are following the order like good little soldiers. The problem (other than it minimizing real harassment victims) is that Enadia isn't good at propaganda, so the attempted manipulation of the narrative is blatant.

Secondly, as a follow-up, allow me to repost what I said earlier, and repost what the mods told you guys:

So, yeah. Take it up through the proper channels, report it to moderation, don't use it as just a buzzword against those that criticize your region's shady practices and iffy record.

While I appreciate Osiris members opinion I think that their statements are becoming tired sentiments against our region and the narrative is perpetuated by specific people with specific agendas. And yes. When our founder is constantly being talked down to by specific NationStates members the community will help... That is how it works I will proudly stand by my region when specific people are being tiresome online critics with no basis. Thanks again for your opinions though You represent Osiris quite well in your conduct and adherence to facts and logical thinking. Stay safe during these crazy times and I hope you have a great day.

I feel that you haven't been around here long, and haven't read this thread enough. Here's a recent example, along with this, a large yikes here, and the fact that it took this long to secure user information. Don't forget this, or this, this fact, I'm sorry, but what, also this, and Jesus, this was a terrifying mess. Maybe this would change my mind, except Lord, no. Also, the tag:WA recruitment goes back a long time.

Maybe you see now why we don't trust y'all. Cheers.

[The United Australian States]

How about someone's opinion who isn't in Osiris, perchance.

Enadia is a region that harbors people who are OOC bad (like this person), and who conduct themselves in a poor manner across these forums. When confronted about it, along with the other behaviors that Enadia has, such as violating the Arnhelm Declaration that they ratified, in a spectacular fashion, mind you, the response is essentially "You don't know what you're talking about." It's fairly clear that Enadia doesn't care for the opinion of those in Gameplay. The problem at hand here is the response to the incredibly valid criticism being leveled, which is along the lines of "Why should we trust you, you've managed to screw up so much stuff recently and in the past that we find it hard to believe that you could possibly be doing this without some shady ulterior motive." The response to that is "lol k" (paraphrased) from every governmental member is infuriating. Just own the bad behavior, and perhaps we can move on from there.

While I appreciate Osiris members opinion I think that their statements are becoming tired sentiments against our region and the narrative is perpetuated by specific people with specific agendas. And yes. When our founder is constantly being talked down to by specific NationStates members the community will help... That is how it works I will proudly stand by my region when specific people are being tiresome online critics with no basis. Thanks again for your opinions though You represent Osiris quite well in your conduct and adherence to facts and logical thinking. Stay safe during these crazy times and I hope you have a great day.

I feel that you haven't been around here long, and haven't read this thread enough. Here's a recent example, along with this, a large yikes here, and the fact that it took this long to secure user information. Don't forget this, or this, this fact, I'm sorry, but what, also this, and Jesus, this was a terrifying mess. Maybe this would change my mind, except Lord, no. Also, the tag:WA recruitment goes back a long time.

Maybe you see now why we don't trust y'all. Cheers.

Alot of the responses are just people's opinions on things. The one thing I can see that was an issue was the recruitment tag. And as someone who helped with it, I can assure you it was an accident and we had members reaching out to other regions to clarify the issue and apologize. As for the other out of context blurbs, most were things related to Enadia's activities which in fact are related to gameplay. Each region has a culture and an identity, and this thread allows members to see how Enadia operates as a region. If you don't like that then I respect your opinion but I don't see how these are issues... I was expecting some huge controversial stuff and instead got links for opinionated responses to Enadia's regional happenings. Thanks for sharing though. I appreciate the time you took to look through things.

[God-King Rorschach]

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Okay so you quoted, 3 government statements about changes in our forums domain, 1 for the closure of embassies with Caer Sidi and one statement in regards to GVH.
You also quoted the BETA stage of GatherHubs that we were working on but later on abandoned as a project. You quoted a random guy that said that they can apply to our sites using their real name, like that can not happen in every single site. You also quoted a Newsroom article about Enadia saying goodbye to IP addresses, while the biggest NS regions in the game still collect your IP address and you also quoted 3 recruitment posts. And basically ignored every other points of order and discussion.

What's the deal with Kaystein, he is not in our server and I just noticed that he is in the region?

[Syberis]

Any pretense I speak for any region anymore is flattering, but hilariously indicative of a utter lack of knowledge in regards to my positions and my influence.

I am amused, both that you think I'm criticizing Enadia as some sort of government op, and that you think such an endeavor would be something that would require an order instead of a bored post every little while.

[Tinhampton]

You also quoted a Newsroom article about Enadia saying goodbye to IP addresses, while the biggest NS regions in the game still collect your IP address

This is a matter of regional security - regions need to make sure that people are who they say they are and aren't going to do dodgy stuff

[Yokiria]

It is good to see a previous raiding nation finding joy in destroying NationStates communities doing the same thing six years later but attempting to do so on NationStates gameplay.

Congrats on reading my "About This Nation" dispatch. Despite your lazy attempt to use the information in it to jab at me, I applaud that someone from Enadia is finally doing research on something before they speak on it, even if that research is shallow.

Unfortunately for you, the "About This Nation" dispatch mentions but doesn't give you an easy-clickable link to the nation of "Sylvia/Ridersyl", so you didn't go looking there and find out that not only was I not a griefer, but I actually blew the whistle on the raiding organization that I was in and they ended up deleted from the game over what was unveiled. So, uhm, nice try with the "evil raider!" thing there, but no dice. Doesn't work with me.

Also, if my commentary could destroy NS communities then your region would already be dead. And CCD would be dead several times over. If external criticism leads to community destruction, then there wasn't a community there to begin with.

You represent Osiris quite well in your conduct

Huh. You read in my sig that I'm a former somebody in Osiris, see I'm in that region, and just assume I'm a representative of the region? That's lazy and incorrect. Now, if I was constantly making statements in defense of the region of Osiris during any controversies they may find themselves in, then you might have a point, but... I'm not, so you don't.

What's the deal with Kaystein

If you're not actually feigning ignorance here, and you don't know him, then I have an uneasy feeling, because he really seems to know you.

[OrangeMain]

What's the deal with Kaystein

If you're not actually feigning ignorance here, and you don't know him, then I have an uneasy feeling, because he really seems to know you.

Uh, I don't mean to be hostile but I have never noticed that this nation is in Enadia. This is because this nation hasn't done anything in Enadia during their time here. If you think that they are dangerous, please explain why, that would help in understanding your concern about, in Enadia's eyes, an inactive nation that we didn't even know was in Enadia a few hours ago.

[God-King Rorschach]

You also quoted a Newsroom article about Enadia saying goodbye to IP addresses, while the biggest NS regions in the game still collect your IP address

This is a matter of regional security - regions need to make sure that people are who they say they are and aren't going to do dodgy stuff

@Tin, I mean no disrespect buddy, but that's not true. No regional security can outweigh personal security.

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@Yokiria and @Syberis and quite frankly every Non-Enadian person here that I am too bored @ your names,

I will respond to you just in the same way that you've been responding in your previous couple of posts, in general terms. You are located in the Enadian thread, speaking with actual Enadian everyday citizens, who are engaging perhaps for the first time in their gaming experience, in the NS forums and have countered every single point of yours with actual facts and who have been for the record, most understanding, polite, patient and nice with you. And the smartest responses to their comments were "You're wrong", "Break your paragraphs", "Heh", "Good-little soldier", "Bad OOC conduct".

Your responses not only were narcissistic but quite hypocritical of you as well. Really, bad OOC conduct? You were literally presented with actual evidence of one of our most prominent wannabe critics bashing and harassing me, perhaps in every regional Discord they are in and most that I have seen, calling me a Fascist, Nazi and Sexual predator because they think I am shit and you did nada. Feeling the hypocrisy gents? Hypocritical but not shocking of you. Only @Reinkalistan had the balls to say that a lot of our received criticism is over the board and even he barely touched the subject, perhaps out of fear not to enter your "Naughty List".

Ladies & Gentleman, your facts - are not facts anymore. It is shockingly evident that you have nothing to say, it is shockingly evident that you're very interested in preventing this region from growing and it is also shockingly evident that you are failing. You were presented not once but now a plethora of times and not only now but for almost 3 years with facts, player experiences and valid arguments. You were invited to see the inside and out of Enadia's Discord servers and you have refused. You have refused to take a stance towards bullying perhaps because some of you know that they are bullies themselves, and you have refused evidence because it is clear that you don't care about the truth. And the truth is that you are all wrong.

Now, I don't intend to stay in this chat forever or become a keyboard warrior like some of you. I have a real-life which I love and I try to attend to as much as I can and I have also an online community that I love and I am dedicating my time and regularly my sleep in seeing it grow in a positive direction. I know that some of you will never like me, I know that some of you will remain forever sceptics, I also know that some of you will continue beating the same old war drums, but I also know that I don't care. I wish you good health to you all regardless of our NS online relations and I also wish you a great day.

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P.S 1: We've always appreciated every constructive criticism and we've always thrown to the bin every stupid criticism. That's how it has been and that's how it will continue being. Just because you get offended, it doesn't mean that you're right. Have a great day chaps!

P.S 2: See @Tin? I am learning how to do paragraphs just in the way you like em

P.S 3: DM me if you want to have a tour of our secret and public servers.

[Twobagger]

This is a matter of regional security - regions need to make sure that people are who they say they are and aren't going to do dodgy stuff

@Tin, I mean no disrespect buddy, but that's not true. No regional security can outweigh personal security.

That is also a matter of personal security, for the reason Tin pointed out: there are blacklisted people floating around, many of whom were banned for OOC harmful behavior. Failing to secure your region against these people means possibly unknowingly harboring these OOC harmful people. It also means exposing the vulnerable people in your region to people who would hurt them.

It's certainly not a simple slider of regional security vs player security. For most regions, securing off-site spaces is one of the best ways to contribute to personal security. I would encourage you to rethink your region's view on regional security with this in mind, for your members' sake.

[Yokiria]

Alright, that's an.. interesting post.

@Tin, I mean no disrespect buddy, but that's not true. No regional security can outweigh personal security.

The fact you don't understand how knowing the IP addresses of players entering your community helps keep your community members safe shows just how little business you have running a region.

I will respond to you just in the same way that you've been responding in your previous couple of posts, in general terms. You are located in the Enadian thread, speaking with actual Enadian everyday citizens, who are engaging perhaps for the first time in their gaming experience, in the NS forums and have countered every single point of yours with actual facts and who have been for the record, most understanding, polite, patient and nice with you.

Okay, so the "first time in their gaming experience" and "polite, patient and nice with you" sounds like you're starting the pull the victim card out of your pocket. Here's the problem with that. If you really care so much about how your members are treated by the non-Enadians, why have you consistently reacted to concerns about your region from non-Enadians and former Enadians throughout the years with total apathy and even mockery? You didn't seem to care then about what we thought about your region. In fact, this post you're making even has that tone of "Don't care what you people think" to it in other parts. Which is it, Latrovia? Does your heart hurt for how we see Enadia or do you not give a damn? Pick one.

And the smartest responses to their comments were "You're wrong", "Break your paragraphs", "Heh", "Good-little soldier", "Bad OOC conduct".

So, taking the snarky bits of criticism from our posts out of context to try to make it sound like we haven't made any legitimate responses? Meh. Decent strategy, but it's telling that you included someone saying "Heh" in your examples. Most of the snarky bits of criticism also contain kernels of truth, and you don't want to repost those.

Your responses not only were narcissistic but quite hypocritical of you as well. Really, bad OOC conduct?

... Yes, really.

You were literally presented with actual evidence of one of our most prominent wannabe critics bashing and harassing me, perhaps in every regional Discord they are in and most that I have seen, calling me a Fascist, Nazi and Sexual predator because they think I am shit and you did nada. Feeling the hypocrisy gents?

You already got warned for flamebaiting over this point, and multiple users including the mod that warned you told you to report any harassment to the mods. Since you've been told to do this over and over and you're still carrying on, the prevailing conclusion now is that you probably already got told by the mods that it isn't actionable, so you're just kicking up a fuss. Also, I've seen actual harassment on this site, on and off. The evidence you posted was not evidence of harassment. It was Drac insulting you. NS regions don't make a habit of blacklisting people guilty of insulting people. If they did, the Rejected Realms would be full.

Hypocritical but not shocking of you. Only @Reinkalistan had the balls to say that a lot of our received criticism is over the board and even he barely touched the subject, perhaps out of fear not to enter your "Naughty List".

Yes, of course, we blacklist players for daring to say that forum criticism goes too far. That's why DYP has been blacklisted so many times. Damn sheep just keeps on pointing it out!

Ladies & Gentleman, your facts - are not facts anymore.

Well then.

It is shockingly evident that you have nothing to say

Except for--

it is shockingly evident that you're very interested in preventing this region from growing

Wait, but you just said we're saying nothing. Nevermind, guess you're refuting yourself. Okay, so we're supposedly preventing your region from growing. Is that the so-called harassment? Because--

and it is also shockingly evident that you are failing.

... Then why are you here?! What problem do loud voices in a forum you don't even visit cause your region? One of your members even accused us of destroying your community with our criticism. Now we're totally failing to do that, apparently.

You wouldn't have to be twisting yourselves in a pretzel coming up with some kind of mass conspiracy if you would just stop being such a shady place. You've been like this for three years now.

You were presented not once but now a plethora of times and not only now but for almost 3 years with facts, player experiences and valid arguments.

If that were true, we wouldn't still be here.

You were invited to see the inside and out of Enadia's Discord servers and you have refused.

I saw the inside of your Discord. I spent time in Enadia as a citizen. I was there in the first place because I had heard, through the grapevine, that some weird shit was going there, but I'm the type of person that needs to see it for myself. And I saw it for myself. The only accurate part of your statement is that I did refuse an invite... a later one, that you boasted to all of NSGP during one of your region's many controversies. I refused it because I had already seen what was in there, without an invitation.

Now, I don't intend to stay in this chat forever or become a keyboard warrior like some of you.

Not a great line.

We've always appreciated every constructive criticism and we've always thrown to the bin every stupid criticism. That's how it has been and that's how it will continue being.

I see the bins are marked "Supportive" and "Everything else".

Just because you get offended, it doesn't mean that you're right.

Great line.

[South Reinkalistan]

Only @Reinkalistan had the balls to say that a lot of our received criticism is over the board and even he barely touched the subject, perhaps out of fear not to enter your "Naughty List".

I never said that a lot of your received criticism was over-the-top. I said that some of the criticism was inane and fruitless as a means of detraction. That said, I can hardly blame such methods when you're now responding so aggressively. I haven't seen reasoning behind some of the more personal criticisms against you (I.E fascism), so I don't accuse you of being a fascist. This isn't me doing you any favours. I'd appreciate it if you'd stop putting words in my mouth, and if the puerile snark could be toned down. It is, however, rather telling that Enadia's rather measured, corporate-esque responses give way to firey outrage when tested enough.

[God-King Rorschach]

Oh that's a long one, let me just

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and

1) The fact you don't understand how knowing the IP addresses of players entering your community helps keep your community members safe shows just how little business you have running a region.

What about regions that don't have off-site forums? How do they manage to remain secure? It's not me who doesn't have an understanding of IP usage, it's basically you that claim that knowing one's IP address, is somehow magically keeping you secure. It isn't. Yes, it is a preventive measure. Is it the best one? No, it isn't.

2) If you really care so much about how your members are treated by the non-Enadians, why have you consistently reacted to concerns about your region from non-
Enadians and former Enadians throughout the years with total apathy and even mockery?

That is a load of rubbish. And I am requoting myself again "P.S 1: We've always appreciated every constructive criticism and we've always thrown to the bin every stupid criticism. That's how it has been and that's how it will continue being. Just because you get offended, it doesn't mean that you're right."

3) So, taking the snarky bits of criticism from our posts out of context to try to make it sound like we haven't made any legitimate responses? Decent strategy.

Not a strategy. And no bits of snarky criticism was taken out of context. You simply haven't raised a point and you're not raising a point either now.

4) Also, I've seen actual harassment on this site, on and off. The evidence you posted was not evidence of harassment. It was Drac insulting you.

Oh my God, this is truly a gem comment.
Calling someone a Nazi or a Fascist or a Sexual Predator is in fact a statement and repetitive statements of this nature are considered harassment. If you have seen on and off harassment, look better.

5) Then why are you here?! What problem do loud voices in a forum you don't even visit cause your region?

This is our regional thread? The question is why are you here? Is it to criticize? And if yes, what are you criticizing, our project Today-In-Enadia? Because I don't see any criticisms towards the project. To criticize me? If so, we get it, you don't like me and that's perfectly fine. To make some sort of a point? You can't pin a nail in the wall with a pretzel. You need a hammer.

6) If that were true, we wouldn't still be here.

Yes we have and yes you would still be here. Scroll up and actually read.

[God-King Rorschach]

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I don't see how my statements are aggressive here. You've received perfectly normal responses and no matter how you will try to twist things around. It's not going to work.
So I would as well appreciate it if you would stop painting me in whatever angry man palette you got going there.

[South Reinkalistan]

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I don't see how my statements are aggressive here. You've received perfectly normal responses and no matter how you will try to twist things around. It's not going to work.
So I would as well appreciate it if you would stop painting me in whatever angry man palette you got going there.

You're being aggressively snarky to those criticising your region. Irrespective of Enadia's various infractions, it's rather ostensible that you don't know how to deescalate a confrontation -- if such is actually your intent. It's not very tactful to make snide remarks on how you perceive a community's practices if you're seeking greater acceptance within this community. If you don't want this, then you're wasting your time arguing here.

[Drop Your Pants]

You're being aggressively snarky to those criticising your region.

I'm just noting that this point isn't uncommon anywhere in NS. We've all lost the plot at some point to outside nations criticizing our regions. And snark is one of the foundations of GP. Snark, mild stabbing and fossils telling the younger players they're wrong.

[Boda]

You're being aggressively snarky to those criticising your region.

This. It's being facetious, which as you can see never helped you in the slightest.

[OrangeMain]

I'm still confused about the "Harboring Nations that did bad OOC actions", which nations are you guys talking about and what was their exact offense/offenses?

[Drop Your Pants]

I'm still confused about the "Harboring Nations that did bad OOC actions", which nations are you guys talking about and what was their exact offense/offenses?

Thinks like that can't be talked about on the NS boards. Try the NSGP discord channels, someone will probably tell you there.

[OrangeMain]

I'm still confused about the "Harboring Nations that did bad OOC actions", which nations are you guys talking about and what was their exact offense/offenses?

Thinks like that can't be talked about on the NS boards. Try the NSGP discord channels, someone will probably tell you there.

Well, I bet a telegram or two would be private enough. If you guys are genuine about your complaints, I'd love a telegram that explains the situation.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

You're being aggressively snarky to those criticising your region.

I'm just noting that this point isn't uncommon anywhere in NS. We've all lost the plot at some point to outside nations criticizing our regions. And snark is one of the foundations of GP. Snark, mild stabbing and fossils telling the younger players they're wrong.

Would be worth noting as well that every time Enadia posts an announcement, quite often the same few people come onto their thread to find fault with it. I think that sort of behaviour would annoy most regions honestly.

[Yokiria]

What about regions that don't have off-site forums? How do they manage to remain secure?

They usually don't manage to remain secure.

It's not me who doesn't have an understanding of IP usage, it's basically you that claim that knowing one's IP address, is somehow magically keeping you secure. It isn't.

Never claimed that. Knowing IP addresses is a huge part of protecting a regional community, though.

Yes, it is a preventive measure. Is it the best one? No, it isn't.

Oh? Then what is? Tell us, since you apparently know better than the GCRs.

That is a load of rubbish.

It really isn't.

Not a strategy. And no bits of snarky criticism was taken out of context.

Even if you think you made some kind of incredible point with those quotes, they were still taken out of context. One of them was the word "Heh". Nobody just commented the word "Heh" and left. Denying something when we can confirm it just by reading back... That's just strange.

Oh my God, this is truly a gem comment.
Calling someone a Nazi or a Fascist or a Sexual Predator is in fact a statement and repetitive statements of this nature are considered harassment. If you have seen on and off harassment, look better.

Exactly, you just said it yourself. Repetitive statements! Yet you act like showing one screenshot of the guy being mean to you should show us all that there's been repetitive statements of that nature. Do you see how that doesn't work? You have to see how that doesn't work.

This is our regional thread? The question is why are you here? Is it to criticize? And if yes, what are you criticizing, our project Today-In-Enadia Because I don't see any criticisms towards the project.

All the whinging from Enadia started because of criticism towards the project.

To criticize me? If so, we get it, you don't like me and that's perfectly fine.

Nobody's here just to criticize you, Latrovia. Criticism of you arises because you're the founder of the region that's been doing this shit for 3 years and it's pretty clear you're the main reason it keeps happening.

To make some sort of a point? You can't pin a nail in the wall with a pretzel. You need a hammer.

This is a me-level analogy.

[Syberis]

Thinks like that can't be talked about on the NS boards. Try the NSGP discord channels, someone will probably tell you there.

Well, I bet a telegram or two would be private enough. If you guys are genuine about your complaints, I'd love a telegram that explains the situation.

To do so would inherently be rulebreaking. That's literally how NS rules work.

[Drop Your Pants]

Well, I bet a telegram or two would be private enough. If you guys are genuine about your complaints, I'd love a telegram that explains the situation.

Ha not a hope. OCC issues are always discussed offsite because of the defamation rule. #NSGP is a good place to ask, assuming the link isn't dead.

[OrangeMain]

Ha not a hope. OCC issues are always discussed offsite because of the defamation rule. #NSGP is a good place to ask, assuming the link isn't dead.

To do so would inherently be rulebreaking. That's literally how NS rules work.

Oh my bad, didn't know that rule applied to telegrams. I will go on the discord then, thanks for letting me know.