The Enadian Herald

[Kuriko]

1.I have made more than 10 purchases to nationStates since joining Enadia, and I haven't recruited for anybody else in that time, in fact I've refused.
2. No. I'm not going back through years of old logs (even if I still had access to them) to find the numerous occasions I've told you that we shouldn't be doing this. Not only is it a move which hurts other regions we have no grievence with, it actively harms our foreign affairs.

Again. This is a decision not made by simply me. Its a decision we do based on the results we get a month before. We analyze the data and select the way we recruit for the next month. OK?
Having that made clear. We do politics here. If we were recruiting actively every month from the WA and also refuse to exclude regions from our recruitment process, then yes, I would agree that we actually harm them on purpose.
But since we are offering people a chance out of this, this is a clear example that we care about it.

When Thaecia and then Sonindia as the most recent examples recruited from the WA, just a month ago, nobody said anything about it. And they sure as heck did not offer a way out. Enadia is not Sonindia or Thaecia, we offered a way out before and now we added more ways out. Obviously we are and we want to work things out. In a proper way. Not by accepting threats or death notes!

"Nobody said anything about it" my ass. You aren't all-seeing and all-knowing Latrovia, you can't read telegrams sent to them or discord conversations/servers you aren't involved in. There were plenty of reactions to their idiocy. And there will be plenty of reactions to yours too.

[Latrovia]

Again. This is a decision not made by simply me. Its a decision we do based on the results we get a month before. We analyze the data and select the way we recruit for the next month. OK?
Having that made clear. We do politics here. If we were recruiting actively every month from the WA and also refuse to exclude regions from our recruitment process, then yes, I would agree that we actually harm them on purpose.
But since we are offering people a chance out of this, this is a clear example that we care about it.

When Thaecia and then Sonindia as the most recent examples recruited from the WA, just a month ago, nobody said anything about it. And they sure as heck did not offer a way out. Enadia is not Sonindia or Thaecia, we offered a way out before and now we added more ways out. Obviously we are and we want to work things out. In a proper way. Not by accepting threats or death notes!

"Nobody said anything about it" my ass. You aren't all-seeing and all-knowing Latrovia, you can't read telegrams sent to them or discord conversations/servers you aren't involved in. There were plenty of reactions to their idiocy. And there will be plenty of reactions to yours too.

Aha. Okay.

A. I was involved in their servers and B. I would highly appreciate if you don't fall down to the level of cheap name calling. I have had high consideration of you and found you reasonable. Let's not take that away. Just because I disagree with your opinion, I don't consider you either stupid nor I hate you. So we can still be mature about what we're talking about here.

[Nagatar Karumuttu Chettiar]

When Thaecia and then Sonindia as the most recent examples recruited from the WA, just a month ago, nobody said anything about it. And they sure as heck did not offer a way out. Enadia is not Sonindia or Thaecia, we offered a way out before and now we added more ways out. Obviously we are and we want to work things out. In a proper way. Not by accepting threats or death notes!

"Nobody said anything about it" my ass. You aren't all-seeing and all-knowing Latrovia, you can't read telegrams sent to them or discord conversations/servers you aren't involved in. There were plenty of reactions to their idiocy. And there will be plenty of reactions to yours too.

Multiple death threats, personal insults via telegram, and plenty of attacks on our region.

Because of so much criticism, in fact, I have refused to recruit for my region any longer due to the stress it causes.

It also spread to multiple government members of my region. Trust me, even on every discord we were on we were attacked.

There is backlash. Like I said - it is why I no longer recruit.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

When Thaecia and then Sonindia as the most recent examples recruited from the WA, just a month ago, nobody said anything about it. And they sure as heck did not offer a way out. Enadia is not Sonindia or Thaecia, we offered a way out before and now we added more ways out. Obviously we are and we want to work things out. In a proper way. Not by accepting threats or death notes!

"Nobody said anything about it" my ass. You aren't all-seeing and all-knowing Latrovia, you can't read telegrams sent to them or discord conversations/servers you aren't involved in. There were plenty of reactions to their idiocy. And there will be plenty of reactions to yours too.

Multiple death threats, personal insults via telegram, and plenty of attacks on our region.

Because of so much criticism, in fact, I have refused to recruit for my region any longer due to the stress it causes.

It also spread to multiple government members of my region. Trust me, even on every discord we were on we were attacked.

There is backlash. Like I said - it is why I no longer recruit.

Christ, I don't think Enadia ever got that level, it just isolated it. I'd have reported the death threats no questions asked.

[Latrovia]

When Thaecia and then Sonindia as the most recent examples recruited from the WA, just a month ago, nobody said anything about it. And they sure as heck did not offer a way out. Enadia is not Sonindia or Thaecia, we offered a way out before and now we added more ways out. Obviously we are and we want to work things out. In a proper way. Not by accepting threats or death notes!

"Nobody said anything about it" my ass. You aren't all-seeing and all-knowing Latrovia, you can't read telegrams sent to them or discord conversations/servers you aren't involved in. There were plenty of reactions to their idiocy. And there will be plenty of reactions to yours too.

Multiple death threats, personal insults via telegram, and plenty of attacks on our region.

Because of so much criticism, in fact, I have refused to recruit for my region any longer due to the stress it causes.

It also spread to multiple government members of my region. Trust me, even on every discord we were on we were attacked.

There is backlash. Like I said - it is why I no longer recruit.

Oh definitely! I am aware of that. That is why NSGP bullying never worked and will never work in the EU. Because, we have laws in place and policies that people will have to respect no matter what. What you've experienced was expected and I am truly sorry you had to go through all of that, if you need someone to talk to, I'll be more than happy to talk this out with you and help you out in any way that I can. Cyber-bullying has a limit and we drew the line long time ago.

[Reploid Productions]

Alright, not going to redtext anybody, but I am going to issue a general "Throttle back" to the bulk of the thread's participants. The thread topic is Enadia, their region, their regional news, etc. It is not about various offsite dramas or CoIS or Gay or who knowingly shielded someone who allegedly did $potentially_criminal_thing. If someone has been breaking the rules on-site, please either report it to the Moderation forum (for forum-side offenses), or the Getting Help page (for game-side offenses such as RMB/TGs.) If you have reason to believe that a given user may present a clear danger to the community, report it via the Getting Help page and be sure to include any and all evidence relevant to the case. While we may not be able to act only on offsite evidence, such material can give us grounds to open an on-site investigation into the matter.

My colleague has already addressed Blood Wine's conduct, and I see no reason to deviate from the punishment already issued. When you show up in a thread clearly looking to pick a fight, and keep picking at it and picking at it, odds are good you're going to sail across that fuzzy boundary into mod-smackable conduct.

Again, let's let the tempers cool before it can escalate into something that merits busting out the Banhammer. Utilize your Foe lists for good measure; it can greatly reduce the temptation to post in a temper if you can't see the posts made by whoever is getting on your nerves.


~Evil Forum Empress Rep Prod the Ninja Mod
~She who wields the Banhammer; master of the mighty moderation no-dachi Kiritateru Teikoku

[United Republic Empire]

Foe Lists ?

I like the sound of that. Where can I find it please. I will definitely use that.

[Reploid Productions]

Foe Lists ?

I like the sound of that. Where can I find it please. I will definitely use that.

User Control Panel > Friends & Foes > Manage Foes. It will automatically hide forum posts by Foe'd users, similar to how RMB suppression works; you can still click to read the post, but it won't be immediately out there in your face unless you intentionally seek it out to look at it.

[United Republic Empire]

Foe Lists ?

I like the sound of that. Where can I find it please. I will definitely use that.

User Control Panel > Friends & Foes > Manage Foes. It will automatically hide forum posts by Foe'd users, similar to how RMB suppression works; you can still click to read the post, but it won't be immediately out there in your face unless you intentionally seek it out to look at it.

It worked - oh my gawd that is awesome. Thank you a thousand times over.

[Jakker]

Actually We did. Not I, but we. Just in the same way and manner when Bloodwine called you a sexual predator? Remember? Or was that part erased from your brain?

Instead of talking with Layem and promising a "Laynedia" or acting so nice and true on the Gameplay, try to be actually honest. And instead of lying about a community which endured and also protected you when Osiris and the rest were calling you a sexual predator and urged themselves to terminate you, focus on some facts and truths and finally accept that Enadia will do things on its own way and provide a reliable assistance and opportunities in all fields.

This is a little late, but I couldn't let this go. Directly or indirectly referring to someone as a sexual predator is baiting. Even if it is recalling what others have said. *** Warned for Flamebaiting ***

[Latrovia]

Actually We did. Not I, but we. Just in the same way and manner when Bloodwine called you a sexual predator? Remember? Or was that part erased from your brain?

Instead of talking with Layem and promising a "Laynedia" or acting so nice and true on the Gameplay, try to be actually honest. And instead of lying about a community which endured and also protected you when Osiris and the rest were calling you a sexual predator and urged themselves to terminate you, focus on some facts and truths and finally accept that Enadia will do things on its own way and provide a reliable assistance and opportunities in all fields.

This is a little late, but I couldn't let this go. Directly or indirectly referring to someone as a sexual predator is baiting. Even if it is recalling what others have said. *** Warned for Flamebaiting ***

While this might seem as such an attempt, I believe that if you check my old posts, you will see that I always defended GVH. To add to that, I don't believe that GVH is a sexual predator. For the simplest reason that I was the one that pulled all the necessary information and provided them to the ones that were claiming that.

Additionally I need to raise a concern here, regarding the nature of the warning as well as of the distribution of said warning. I get warned for flame baiting, while Bloodwine kept calling me homophobic and other names? And GVH kept baiting to start a fight? Isn't that a bit weird to you? After all the original post was about EU's change of the recruitment policy and these two respectful gentlemen went out of line and deviated the conversation to their own personal matters. Which was approved by your colleague in the following statement : [Detracted Quote] ... Nor did they start drama and come into this thread dogpilning and harassing either of you. [To GVH on the report thread: viewtopic.php?p=35777996#p35777996]

I dont want to question the work of the moderation team, or your personal work. I have a huge amount of appreciation for the work you guys put up in a daily basis as volunteers. I only wish to negotiate or even understand the logic and processing of the situation... Because if I get a warning for two posts, which did not try to violate any Community guidelines or the person quoted to them, but were considered so, why are these two still around? Bloodwine has received multiple warnings himself just on this thread. Whats the point of receiving warnings if they keep doing the same things over and over again?

Again I don't wish to start a fight or question the Moderation team's work or yours. I just need to understand how you, the moderation, evaluate things in order not to do a mistake which could potentially harm me or the people included in the conversation? I have worked on customer support for many years in my life so we were actually making questions instead of jumping to our personal conclusions. Was this a personal conclusion or was it something else?

[Jakker]

This is a little late, but I couldn't let this go. Directly or indirectly referring to someone as a sexual predator is baiting. Even if it is recalling what others have said. *** Warned for Flamebaiting ***

I don't believe that GVH is a sexual predator. For the simplest reason that I was the one that pulled all the necessary information and provided them to the ones that were claiming that.

Additionally I get warned for flame baiting while, Bloodwine kept calling me a homophobic and other names? And GVH kept baiting to start a fight?

I dont want to question the work of the moderation team. But if I get a warning for two posts, which did not try to violate any Community guidelines or the person quoted to them, but were considered so, why are these two still around? Bloodwine has received multiple warnings himself. Whats the point of receiving warnings if they keep doing the same stuff over and over again?

Again I don't wish to start a fight or question the Moderation team. I just need to understand how you, the moderation, evaluate things? I have worked on customer support for many years in my life so we were actually making questions instead of jumping to our personal conclusions. Was this a personal conclusion?

You are welcome to always appeal by making a thread in the moderation thread. I had looked through the thread after the general announcement was made as well as after punishments were already handed out in the report thread in moderation the other day (viewtopic.php?f=16&t=465784). I decided that your posts needed to be addressed further. Bloodwine's behavior was addressed and I didn't see any violations by GVH in my opinion. I will not continue this particular conversation here. With that said, you are welcome to again appeal my decision if you'd like.

[Latrovia]

I don't believe that GVH is a sexual predator. For the simplest reason that I was the one that pulled all the necessary information and provided them to the ones that were claiming that.

Additionally I get warned for flame baiting while, Bloodwine kept calling me a homophobic and other names? And GVH kept baiting to start a fight?

I dont want to question the work of the moderation team. But if I get a warning for two posts, which did not try to violate any Community guidelines or the person quoted to them, but were considered so, why are these two still around? Bloodwine has received multiple warnings himself. Whats the point of receiving warnings if they keep doing the same stuff over and over again?

Again I don't wish to start a fight or question the Moderation team. I just need to understand how you, the moderation, evaluate things? I have worked on customer support for many years in my life so we were actually making questions instead of jumping to our personal conclusions. Was this a personal conclusion?

You are welcome to always appeal by making a thread in the moderation thread. I had looked through the thread after the general announcement was made as well as after punishments were already handed out in the report thread in moderation the other day (viewtopic.php?f=16&t=465784). I decided that your posts needed to be addressed further. Bloodwine's behavior was addressed and I didn't see any violations by GVH in my opinion. I will not continue this particular conversation here. With that said, you are welcome to again appeal my decision if you'd like.

There is no need for that, I am absolutely confident in the work that the moderation team of NationStates put up on a daily basis. And as I said, I only needed to better understand the situation which led to this as well as the processing of the details by your and your team's side. Thank you personally, once more for your good work and I do apologize if my intentions on my above post/s were unclear.

[Blood Wine]

please take note of my actual name, it's Blood Wine, not bloodwine

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Hello,

Your forum hosting expires in 2 days. As I stated earlier, I will not be renewing it. I would advise you to send me somewhere you'd like an archive link sending.

[Latrovia]

IMPORTANT CHANGES - ANNOUNCEMENT



1) After the exit of Greater Vakolicci Haven from the region, due to a disagreement regarding the change of a policy, followed up by his decision not to host EU's forums. The moderation team of Enadia, transferred EU's forums to a new host, under a new domain.

The EU government refuses categorically to submit to any interior or exterior influential power that pose threat towards the EU Community across all of our platforms.
Therefor, EU's forums have been transferred under a new domain http://enadia.xyz/ - In the following days we will be updating the links all across our dispatches and documents.
A new SSL certificate will be provided for the forums as well.

2) The EU Tech Team also created the eHubs - EU's first Social Network. You may create your own personal or national profile, post your thoughts, photos and connect with the wider community. Additionally eHubs allows you to create your own groups of people, which is a great tool for start up ideas. Post your nation's news and keep your friends updated regarding the latest changes and developments by creating a National Profile.

You can find eHubs linked in our new forums, or by visiting this link: https://euhubs.enadia.xyz/

[Enadia]

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Recruitment Notification is a new feature introduced by the Transparency Initiative in the EU. Our regional authorities are aware of past spam/malicious recruitment attempts made under our name by third parties, but never being authorized or originating by the Enadian Government or the Enadian Recruitment Department. In order to combat these malicious attacks, the Enadian authorities have decided to release a Recruitment Notification containing the details of every EU Recruitment Effort.

To the NationStates community that has been affected by these malicious attacks, we would like to show you our support and inform you that we stand by you and we are willing to close our borders or send back any members originating from your regions, back home.

Regions that wish to Opt-Out from EU's World Assembly Recruitment Effort, email us at enadia.gov@gmail.com or enadia@presidency.com or from EU's World Wide Embassy : https://enadiaeu.wixsite.com/enadiaplus/restrictions-request

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Recruitment Type: New Nations ; Re-founded
Recruitment Telegrams Send: 15.043 Stamps
Authorized Recruiter: Latrovia

[Greater vakolicci haven]

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Recruitment Notification is a new feature introduced by the Transparency Initiative in the EU. Our regional authorities are aware of past spam/malicious recruitment attempts made under our name by third parties, but never being authorized or originating by the Enadian Government or the Enadian Recruitment Department. In order to combat these malicious attacks, the Enadian authorities have decided to release a Recruitment Notification containing the details of every EU Recruitment Effort.

To the NationStates community that has been affected by these malicious attacks, we would like to show you our support and inform you that we stand by you and we are willing to close our borders or send back any members originating from your regions, back home.

Regions that wish to Opt-Out from EU's World Assembly Recruitment Effort, email us at enadia.gov@gmail.com or enadia@presidency.com or from EU's World Wide Embassy : https://enadiaeu.wixsite.com/enadiaplus/restrictions-request

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Recruitment Type: New Nations ; Re-founded
Recruitment Telegrams Send: 15.043 Stamps
Authorized Recruiter: Latrovia

How does 'Enadia@presidency.com' work? Presidency.com seems to be a loan company.

[Latrovia]

[quote=Greater Vakolicci Haven]How does 'Enadia@presidency.com' work? Presidency.com seems to be a loan company.[/quote]

It pretty much just like any other email. The provider is Mail.com

[Greater vakolicci haven]

[quote=Greater Vakolicci Haven]How does 'Enadia@presidency.com' work? Presidency.com seems to be a loan company.

It pretty much just like any other email. The provider is Mail.com[/quote]
Odd, must just be a parked domaine or something, can't imagine an actual company would let their email addresses be used by random people.

[Jar Wattinree]

You guys have broken quote tags,

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

Why the fuck are you using email for this? What’s wrong with a forum post or telegrams for this purpose? Why do you again want everyone to leave the site to interact meaningfully with your recruitment?

[Aclion]

I'm more annoyed they insist on referring to themselves as the EU

[Lenlyvit]

I'm more annoyed that they're trying to scapegoat their past government approved recruitment efforts on to other people.

[Valerievna]

Why the fuck are you using email for this? What’s wrong with a forum post or telegrams for this purpose? Why do you again want everyone to leave the site to interact meaningfully with your recruitment?

To add on top of that, why are you so insistent on using almost every available medium? I've seen Twitter pages, iirc there was once an Instagram page(?), Reddit, and even Facebook pages for Enadia.