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[Lord Dominator]

Coulda sworn there was something about Lazarus there and TGW not getting involved, which if I'm not mistaken was the exact same thing that TBH did. Funny, that a region being accused of subversion wasn't involved there...

TGW did not get involved in Lazarus, correct. And as I pointed out, the only one person in Lazarus who was a Warden and is still a Warden, is inactive

I wasn't say they did, merely drawing a comparison between both regions lack of involvement in such

[Solorni]

Has TGW ever gotten involved in other GCRs?

No, because it has a policy of not interfering with GCR politics.

This is good. The heads of the UDL got involved in a ton of GCR politics and it annoyed quite a few people. I am glad you would also be grumpy if the heads of TGW had gotten involved in GCR politics.

[Usualstan]

When a Madtopian Puppet is around: nothing interesting here!

When a Madtopian Puppet isn't around: we tore up the concordat, put everything in German, and got liberated.

(Only TEP RMB insiders will get this joke. For the rest, ask those insiders.)

[Malphe]

Anyone know what conditions trigger being banned from TNP?

Being a very bad boy can work. I don't know, just be obnoxious on TNP's forums and defy forum admins constantly.
Probably the least effort option.

[Solorni]

Anyone know what conditions trigger being banned from TNP?

Being a very bad boy can work. I don't know, just be obnoxious on TNP's forums and defy forum admins constantly.
Probably the least effort option.

Ummm, how is Mcm not banned then?

[Lord Dominator]

Anyone know what conditions trigger being banned from TNP?

Being a very bad boy can work. I don't know, just be obnoxious on TNP's forums and defy forum admins constantly.
Probably the least effort option.

That still requires effort though...

[RiderSyl]

The Order of the Grey Wardens does not partake in the subversion Game Created Regions. Should such developments occur that would clearly indicate that TGW has been involved in the subversion of Game Created Regions, I would be fully prepared to depart from The Order. That's a stance I have stated before, that's a stance I will continue to state, and TGW still has not been tied to any subversion attempts in the GCRs.

Osiris.

You went rogue as a member of my cabinet because of TGW.

I had to resign because of it.

[Vincent Drake]

How old is that, though? Osiris is so irrelevant to TGW that I need to be reminded the region even exists.

[RiderSyl]

Already coming up with excuses for yourselves over Tim's subversion of a GCR for a UCR while he was in my cabinet. "How long ago was that, 'cause if it was ___ ago it doesn't count!" , "That GCR is irrelevant anyway!" Good. It'd be a shame if Tim had to stick to his newfound Francoist principles and leave The Order to make amends for it.

[Vincent Drake]

Strict non-intervention in GCR politics has been a formal policy since fall 2016ish. You can't hold people accountable for things that happened before their time, or before current policies came into effect. Well, you can try, but it won't stick. I don't know most of what took place in GP before late 2016, so most of those historical events are based on he-said-she-said.

[RiderSyl]

I don't see why you're bringing up UCR policy-making. It's Tim's position on UCR's subverting GCR's that matters here. I want to see if he'll stay true to his word now that I've reminded him of his experience first-hand with a UCR using him to subvert a GCR.

[Vincent Drake]

I brought it up because his post was concerning TGW at the organization level, and you brought up an incident that clearly did not take place at the same time as our GCR policy has been in force. You claiming that we're making "excuses for ourselves" is also taking it to the organization level. If you wanted to keep an individual scope, you wouldn't have brought the region into it. I'll let Tim explain his side of what happened, but I don't see how that incident refutes our current policies.

[RiderSyl]

I brought it up because his post was concerning TGW at the organization level, and you brought up an incident that clearly did not take place at the same time as our GCR policy has been in force. You claiming that we're making "excuses for ourselves" is also taking it to the organization level. If you wanted to keep an individual scope, you wouldn't have brought the region into it. I'll let Tim explain his side of what happened, but I don't see how that incident refutes our current policies.

Either you've misunderstood, or I haven't been clear enough. Let me remedy that.

I claim that you're making "excuses for yourselves" because Tim leaving The Order to make amends for its previous subversion would be objectively against the interests of The Order. Making excuses to give yourselves a defense for when Tim reads all of this and recalls the incident in question is a wise move. My observing of it and commenting on it doesn't mean my focus isn't still on Tim's resolve as a Francoist. I really do want to see how he responds.

[Vando0sa]

"- All individuals who are a member of TWP or TEP and are concurrently a member of TBH have one week from the posting of this notice to decide which community they will remain in. The deadline, so that it is explicitly stated, is Tuesday April 3rd."

First it was TWP saying I can't raid with The Invaders or Rome and then it was TBH saying I can't raid with Lily.. Now I have to pick between my birth region and my favorite raider region? I pick neither! Retire from both and pull a crazy Cora! *is now mercenary* I will work with who ever I damn well please for now on.

Poop on all these complicated GCR vs UCR politics! I just like to raid stuff. Will live by A Dark Shadow's motto for now on. Lives to Raid, Raids to Live!

That being said I'll still work with both TWP and TBH if they wish. I'll just be doing so As a member of Iwaku instead. As for My home region's embassies with TWP I hope we can still keep those as I still love TWP but if they have to close no hard feelings will be had.

Need to quit building these walls dammit.. It just makes the fendas stronger!

*fixes a typo*

[Old Hope]

I brought it up because his post was concerning TGW at the organization level, and you brought up an incident that clearly did not take place at the same time as our GCR policy has been in force. You claiming that we're making "excuses for ourselves" is also taking it to the organization level. If you wanted to keep an individual scope, you wouldn't have brought the region into it. I'll let Tim explain his side of what happened, but I don't see how that incident refutes our current policies.

Either you've misunderstood, or I haven't been clear enough. Let me remedy that.

I claim that you're making "excuses for yourselves" because Tim leaving The Order to make amends for its previous subversion would be objectively against the interests of The Order. Making excuses to give yourselves a defense for when Tim reads all of this and recalls the incident in question is a wise move. My observing of it and commenting on it doesn't mean my focus isn't still on Tim's resolve as a Francoist. I really do want to see how he responds.

and you brought up an incident that clearly did not take place at the same time as our GCR policy has been in force.

Let me translate this for you:
"we did not have a policy against interfering in GCR's when that incident took place, which means it was legal for our members to be involved in the politics of GCR's.
We do not believe in ex post facto laws and regulations"

[Drop Your Pants]

The heads of the UDL got involved in a ton of GCR politics and it annoyed quite a few people.

Whats up with your continuous hard on for the UDL? Get some new material

[Eluvatar]

Going by historical evidence, to be declared persona non grata or denied admission to the Regional Assembly (without resorting to OOC offenses) one should do one of the following:

1. Coup TNP.
2. Coup an ally of TNP.
3. Write a series of newspaper pieces relentlessly critical of The North Pacific and its policy of invading Nazi regions when possible.

(I apologize if I've forgotten someone)

4. Be Cormac.

That reminds me:
5. Be involved in an espionage scandal against TNP (or perhaps an ally of TNP such as Europeia).

[Ikania]

Coulda sworn there was something about Lazarus there and TGW not getting involved, which if I'm not mistaken was the exact same thing that TBH did. Funny, that a region being accused of subversion wasn't involved there...

TGW did not get involved in Lazarus, correct. And as I pointed out, the only one person in Lazarus who was a Warden and is still a Warden, is inactive

???

[Eluvatar]

TGW did not get involved in Lazarus, correct. And as I pointed out, the only one person in Lazarus who was a Warden and is still a Warden, is inactive

???

Are you no true scotsman?

[Ikania]

???

Are you no true scotsman?

I’m just wondering who’s being referred to here, as a Warden and a Lazarene.

[RiderSyl]

Either you've misunderstood, or I haven't been clear enough. Let me remedy that.

I claim that you're making "excuses for yourselves" because Tim leaving The Order to make amends for its previous subversion would be objectively against the interests of The Order. Making excuses to give yourselves a defense for when Tim reads all of this and recalls the incident in question is a wise move. My observing of it and commenting on it doesn't mean my focus isn't still on Tim's resolve as a Francoist. I really do want to see how he responds.

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and you brought up an incident that clearly did not take place at the same time as our GCR policy has been in force.

Let me translate this for you:
"we did not have a policy against interfering in GCR's when that incident took place, which means it was legal for our members to be involved in the politics of GCR's.
We do not believe in ex post facto laws and regulations"

Let me translate for YOU:
"click the spoiler up there and realize i was never serious"

[Liliarchy]

snips

You know our gates are always open o/
If you want some high-speed updates that is >:)

[Lord Dominator]

snips

You know our gates are always open o/
If you want some high-speed updates that is >:)

I can vouch for the high-speed, just ya know come prepared (stares at Somy)

[Cormactopia Prime]

- All individuals who are a member of TWP or TEP and are concurrently a member of TBH have one week from the posting of this notice to decide which community they will remain in. The deadline, so that it is explicitly stated, is Tuesday April 3rd.

Breaking news: This isn't happening. Turns out in TEP it's a wee bit illegal to strip citizenship from people based on the whims of the Delegate. Who knew?

[Queen Yuno]

Of course ^_^
I was going to post that correction here too, but thanks for doing that before me. All current members are grandfathered in.