AIR - Alliance of Interdependent Regions

[Blood Wine]

Trying to have AIR condemn the extreme homophobia on display in one of their member regions, and they refuse to do this, and close embassies with kaiserreich

I believe that AIR is conducting an investigation into CoIS.

With the board not showing any good faith towards the issue, including one mocking violence against LGBTQ people in the NSGP discord - I don't have much faith

[Blood Wine]

Trying to have AIR condemn the extreme homophobia on display in one of their member regions, and they refuse to do this, and close embassies with kaiserreich

Refusing to do it is an interesting choice of wording "ongoing investigation"

^this, AIR failing yet again to keep promises

[Indo-Malaysia]

This is a blemish on what was meant to be the 'new big thing'.

There have been a fair share of scandals recently in GP, but AIR was not on that list.
I am ashamed that AIR has failed to tackle homophobia, going so far as to ban those who object, and even mock the topic.

I heavily advise the high command to take a good look at the Fest-Plagentine Logs. Do not bring yourself to that level. You are better than that.

[Miravana]

This is a blemish on what was meant to be the 'new big thing'.

There have been a fair share of scandals recently in GP, but AIR was not on that list.
I am ashamed that AIR has failed to tackle homophobia, going so far as to ban those who object, and even mock the topic.

I heavily advise the high command to take a good look at the Fest-Plagentine Logs. Do not bring yourself to that level. You are better than that.

I would like to emphasize AIRs currently been busy with correcting behavior in Enadia and the response to the accusations was that the situation would be reviewed, but due to the inactivity of their founder and delegate on discord, and our preoccupation, they were informed that these issues would be reviewed, but time was needed for a proper insight into them. However, this was then taken as us being homophobic, and failures at addressing the cases. I cannot help but feel some individuals are simply on a manhunt for placing blame at the moment, and at the attempt of not trying to seem insensitive, there are bigger issues than our handling of the situation, for example, actually investigating the claims. I would respectfully ask that people did not resort to rash attacks on our organization without giving us ample time to investigate. Such actions, among others, such as baiting our members, may have been the reason why this individual was kicked from our discord, as their inability to behave rationally was concerning.

[Devi Vytherin]

This is a blemish on what was meant to be the 'new big thing'.

There have been a fair share of scandals recently in GP, but AIR was not on that list.
I am ashamed that AIR has failed to tackle homophobia, going so far as to ban those who object, and even mock the topic.

I heavily advise the high command to take a good look at the Fest-Plagentine Logs. Do not bring yourself to that level. You are better than that.

I would like to emphasize AIRs currently been busy with correcting behavior in Enadia and the response to the accusations was that the situation would be reviewed, but due to the inactivity of their founder and delegate on discord, and our preoccupation, they were informed that these issues would be reviewed, but time was needed for a proper insight into them. However, this was then taken as us being homophobic, and failures at addressing the cases. I cannot help but feel some individuals are simply on a manhunt for placing blame at the moment, and at the attempt of not trying to seem insensitive, there are bigger issues than our handling of the situation, for example, actually investigating the claims. I would respectfully ask that people did not resort to rash attacks on our organization without giving us ample time to investigate. Such actions, among others, such as baiting our members, may have been the reason why this individual was kicked from our discord, as their inability to behave rationally was concerning.

Yeah, no. Whatever the internal problems with enadia are, prioritising them over actual homophobic behaviour comes across as an attempt to sweep it under the rug, and deleting comments calling it out only reinforces that.

[Malphe]

AIR needs to rethink it's attitude towards this sharpish. Crack down on this behavior intently and quickly, that's the only aproach that won't end with your organization being sent into a downward spiral.

[RiderSyl]

I would like to emphasize AIRs currently been busy with correcting behavior in Enadia and the response to the accusations was that the situation would be reviewed, but due to the inactivity of their founder and delegate on discord, and our preoccupation, they were informed that these issues would be reviewed, but time was needed for a proper insight into them. However, this was then taken as us being homophobic, and failures at addressing the cases. I cannot help but feel some individuals are simply on a manhunt for placing blame at the moment, and at the attempt of not trying to seem insensitive, there are bigger issues than our handling of the situation, for example, actually investigating the claims. I would respectfully ask that people did not resort to rash attacks on our organization without giving us ample time to investigate. Such actions, among others, such as baiting our members, may have been the reason why this individual was kicked from our discord, as their inability to behave rationally was concerning.

So you need to take time to investigate potential wrong-doing before acting on any of it, like with Enadia and this homophobia issue... except for when you can declare what the problem is right away and act on it immediately, like with the people that have been censored and banned from your Discord for bringing it up.

Seems legit.

[Miravana]

I would like to point out that if you had all actually read our charter, you would know that it is not within our ability to force changes upon our signatories. It may not be clear to you all the actual events that have occurred, but no one's criticism has been censored, and no one has been banned for bringing these claims to us. The issue was completely independent from the claims themselves, and it can be showed that when the information was brought to us, we gratefully accepted the information and asked for them to allow us to take due time to evaluate the situation. The problems then aroused when the individual then proceeded to neglect this and instead instigate arguments and issue baseless slander on our organization. At this point, it was decided that they had nothing left of value to offer to us, so they were removed from the server. This did not affect the investigation we had opened however and we continued to approach CoIS on the situation. It was then determined that the comments in question were not meant as the reported had expected, and our analysis was that region had not posted anything with the intent of harming anyone, therefore the situation was considered not dangerous. While AIR itself does not approve of homophobia or any discrimination whatsoever (and it was made clear that we would not tolerate such posts on our platform) we will not disrupt the internal affairs of our signatories of our member regions unless harmful intentions, or actions, are evident. The rumors that have been allegedly spread about us being homophobic are completely baseless and absolutely ignores our organizations complete efforts to approach the situation correctly.

[Devi Vytherin]

I would like to point out that if you had all actually read our charter, you would know that it is not within our ability to force changes upon our signatories. It may not be clear to you all the actual events that have occurred, but no one's criticism has been censored, and no one has been banned for bringing these claims to us. The issue was completely independent from the claims themselves, and it can be showed that when the information was brought to us, we gratefully accepted the information and asked for them to allow us to take due time to evaluate the situation. The problems then aroused when the individual then proceeded to neglect this and instead instigate arguments and issue baseless slander on our organization. At this point, it was decided that they had nothing left of value to offer to us, so they were removed from the server. This did not affect the investigation we had opened however and we continued to approach CoIS on the situation. It was then determined that the comments in question were not meant as the reported had expected, and our analysis was that region had not posted anything with the intent of harming anyone, therefore the situation was considered not dangerous. While AIR itself does not approve of homophobia or any discrimination whatsoever (and it was made clear that we would not tolerate such posts on our platform) we will not disrupt the internal affairs of our signatories of our member regions unless harmful intentions, or actions, are evident. The rumors that have been allegedly spread about us being homophobic are completely baseless and absolutely ignores our organizations complete efforts to approach the situation correctly.

So you're fine with public declarations that homosexuality is an abomination from leadership within a member region, as long as they don't do it in their capacity as an AIR member? Gotcha
Not being homophobic yourself doesn't mean that you don't implicitly support it by not taking the necessary steps to curb it.

[AIR Force Command]

So you're fine with public declarations that homosexuality is an abomination from leadership within a member region, as long as they don't do it in their capacity as an AIR member? Gotcha
Not being homophobic yourself doesn't mean that you don't implicitly support it by not taking the necessary steps to curb it.

AIR is not in the position to order out punishment for homophobia, but you would most definitely see us condemning it, as we have done here. We do not agree with the regional policy of CoIS, but it has been determined that their stance does not cause direct harm to anyone, especially since they have stated they do not wish to change anyone's view. They have also stated that they are tolerant of LGTBQ, even if they do not agree with it for religious reasons. If this was not the case, we would have had a different response, but as the situation stands, there is no punishments we can issue that don't inherently break our charter.



EDIT: I am Miravana, logged into wrong nation

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

it has been determined that their stance does not cause direct harm to anyone, especially since they have stated they do not wish to change anyone's view.

[Moctezuma]

So the screenshots of the CoIS discord where they were condoning IRL terrorism, acts of terrorism, and have an actual possible IRL terrorist in their region are totally false and not real at all?

[AIR Force Command]

So the screenshots of the CoIS discord where they were condoning IRL terrorism, acts of terrorism, and have an actual possible IRL terrorist in their region are totally false and not real at all?

If you are referring to the posts made almost a year ago by nations no longer in the region then I don't see your point.

[Miravana]

AIR - Official Update - 05/03/2018

While investigating reports of homophobia within The Council of Islamic States, AIR had originally determined that such behavior was both limited and that their opinions were expressed without harmful intentions. This was due in part to our own observations, and the clarifications of the region itself. As of now, it has become apparent that those clarification were false, as the citizens have posted the desire to, "punish Lgbtq community peeps to death". This is the sort of behavior AIR originally worried was the case, and we are deeply saddened and appalled by both the posts and the betrayal of trust issued upon us by CoIS. As of this time, CoIS's enrollment in AIR is being revoked by executive decision, with pending verification by the board. AIR hopes that such actions will show CoIS and the world that we will not tolerate harmful opinions or actions. We apologize to anyone frustrated with our investigative process and assure everyone that this decision has been carefully evaluated.


Sincerely,
Miravana
Chief Marshal and Commander of AIR Force

AIR: "Divided We Fall, United We Stand"

[Neop]

AIR: "Divided We Fall, United We Stand"

Heh.

[Latrovia]

I believe that it goes without saying that it's not in AIR's interest to have troublemakers within our ranks. Ofc, in cases of a radical homophia, where violence and harm is intented, we will be taking the necessary steps in eradicating said threat.

I would like to re assure the GP shpere that AIR and its members will be making a decision very soon.

[South Asians]

This is a blemish on what was meant to be the 'new big thing'.

There have been a fair share of scandals recently in GP, but AIR was not on that list.
I am ashamed that AIR has failed to tackle homophobia, going so far as to ban those who object, and even mock the topic.

I heavily advise the high command to take a good look at the Fest-Plagentine Logs. Do not bring yourself to that level. You are better than that.

Scandal....
next time a member of our member regions will say that "I hate God" and now some religious org will tell us to take action.
Are we a group of Moral Science teachers telling our member regions how to behave?
This is the job of their parents not us. I think we should add a requirement "No Homophobia and Atheist people should join AIR".

So you need to take time to investigate potential wrong-doing before acting on any of it, like with Enadia and this homophobia issue... except for when you can declare what the problem is right away and act on it immediately, like with the people that have been censored and banned from your Discord for bringing it up.
Seems legit.

Show evidence that says we banned them.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

This is a blemish on what was meant to be the 'new big thing'.

There have been a fair share of scandals recently in GP, but AIR was not on that list.
I am ashamed that AIR has failed to tackle homophobia, going so far as to ban those who object, and even mock the topic.

I heavily advise the high command to take a good look at the Fest-Plagentine Logs. Do not bring yourself to that level. You are better than that.

Scandal....
next time a member of our member regions will say that "I hate God" and now some religious org will tell us to take action.
Are we a group of Moral Science teachers telling our member regions how to behave?
This is the job of their parents not us. I think we should add a requirement "No Homophobia and Atheist people should join AIR".

Perhaps, then, your parents should be telling you that joking with fascists about gassing people isn't how you should behave?

[Blood Wine]

This is a blemish on what was meant to be the 'new big thing'.

There have been a fair share of scandals recently in GP, but AIR was not on that list.
I am ashamed that AIR has failed to tackle homophobia, going so far as to ban those who object, and even mock the topic.

I heavily advise the high command to take a good look at the Fest-Plagentine Logs. Do not bring yourself to that level. You are better than that.

Scandal....
next time a member of our member regions will say that "I hate God" and now some religious org will tell us to take action.
Are we a group of Moral Science teachers telling our member regions how to behave?
This is the job of their parents not us. I think we should add a requirement "No Homophobia and Atheist people should join AIR".

Look at the logs he mentioned, your member regions are on that level - and soon AIR will be subject to the same blacklisting as them if they do not address this properly

So you need to take time to investigate potential wrong-doing before acting on any of it, like with Enadia and this homophobia issue... except for when you can declare what the problem is right away and act on it immediately, like with the people that have been censored and banned from your Discord for bringing it up.
Seems legit.

Show evidence that says we banned them.

*cough*

[Devi Vytherin]

This is a blemish on what was meant to be the 'new big thing'.

There have been a fair share of scandals recently in GP, but AIR was not on that list.
I am ashamed that AIR has failed to tackle homophobia, going so far as to ban those who object, and even mock the topic.

I heavily advise the high command to take a good look at the Fest-Plagentine Logs. Do not bring yourself to that level. You are better than that.

Scandal....
next time a member of our member regions will say that "I hate God" and now some religious org will tell us to take action.
Are we a group of Moral Science teachers telling our member regions how to behave?
This is the job of their parents not us. I think we should add a requirement "No Homophobia and Atheist people should join AIR".

So you need to take time to investigate potential wrong-doing before acting on any of it, like with Enadia and this homophobia issue... except for when you can declare what the problem is right away and act on it immediately, like with the people that have been censored and banned from your Discord for bringing it up.
Seems legit.

Show evidence that says we banned them.

See, the difference is that someone saying they hate god isn't explicitly exclusionary and demeaning towards actual people playing this game
Being effectively called an abomination for your sexual orientation *is*

While the former may still offend some people, it doesn't specifically target a group of people for who they are.
But hey, I'm not sure why I expected better.

[South Asians]

Perhaps, then, your parents should be telling you that joking with fascists about gassing people isn't how you should behave?

Personal attacks this is what i expect from raiders

Just got kicked off the AIR discord for calling out censorship - leadership condones hate speech and deletes criticism

Given their field commander's prior history, I can't say that I'm surprised?

And repeating the same thing even when i apologised for it. And that was six months ago.

[Devi Vytherin]

Perhaps, then, your parents should be telling you that joking with fascists about gassing people isn't how you should behave?

Personal attacks this is what i expect from raiders

Given their field commander's prior history, I can't say that I'm surprised?

And repeating the same thing even when i apologised for it. And that was six months ago.

Are they personal attacks when they're your own words?
And apologies aren't a magic get-out-of-jail-free card, last I checked.

[Kurnugia]

Personal attacks this is what i expect from raiders

And repeating the same thing even when i apologised for it. And that was six months ago.

Are they personal attacks when they're your own words?
And apologies aren't a magic get-out-of-jail-free card, last I checked.

Yeah. Apology is one thing. The other is to take according consequences.

[South Asians]

Are they personal attacks when they're your own words?
And apologies aren't a magic get-out-of-jail-free card, last I checked.

Then tell me how can i get rid of this?

[Malphe]

Then tell me how can i get rid of this?

If you do something dumb, people aren't going to turn the other cheek, you can't just get rid of it, that isn't how it works. Best you can do is be better than you previously were in spite of it.