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Arbraria
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Postby Arbraria » Sat Mar 17, 2018 8:59 pm

Cormactopia Prime wrote:
Arbraria wrote:I didnt read that long a*s article why tf would you waste your time riting that.

Souls is the concise one around here, actually...

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Postby Ever-Wandering Souls » Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:04 pm

Wardens, I might owe y'all an apology.
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Postby Savaer » Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:05 pm

Okay. Enough of the three ring circus.

Clarifications are in order.

Negotiations were made with Unknown. We are not returning Westphalia, we will be maintaining a credit, but not that entire plaster of a WFE, there will be the quote. So quit getting your bloody knickers in a knot, Souls, but the WFE will be WP and the flag most likely a fusion of Unknown and WP's flag. The drama is beneath you. Ava failed to read the admin section, and was preoccupied with rl local elections.

Negotiations came out simple: Rhinia doesn't go defender and ditches AIR, Rhinia gets an embassy with Westphalia able to utilize its RMB, and post inevitable Refound once the RMB salvage system by violet is complete, Rhinia will be granted a member to place a puppet as an honor guard.

Unknown acts as an advisor at best, a friend at most,we do not interfere in their sovereignty beyond the agreed upon terms. If I have any of this off, Ksh will correct.

Thank you, that is all.

Anyone wants to discuss and remain civil, I may be reached on Discord.
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When night has fallen, embrace the screams of your foes,
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Arbraria
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Postby Arbraria » Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:06 pm

I hope people understand now, we negotiated with unknown, and got the region back.

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Postby Scrapper 143 » Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:07 pm

:blink:

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Postby Lenlyvit » Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:09 pm

Arbraria wrote:I hope people understand now, we negotiated with unknown, and got the region back.

Well, congrats! I'm happy you were all able to work something out and able to come to an understanding.
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Postby Stellar Colonies » Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:13 pm

Savaer wrote:
Okay. Enough of the three ring circus.

Clarifications are in order.

Negotiations were made with Unknown.
We are not returning Westphalia,
we will be maintaining a credit, but not that entire plaster of a WFE, there will be the quote. So quit getting your bloody knickers in a knot, Souls, but the WFE will be WP and the flag most likely a fusion of Unknown and WP's flag. The drama is beneath you. Ava failed to read the admin section, and was preoccupied with rl local elections.

Negotiations came out simple: Rhinia doesn't go defender and ditches AIR, Rhinia gets an embassy with Westphalia able to utilize its RMB, and post inevitable Refound once the RMB salvage system by violet is complete, Rhinia will be granted a member to place a puppet as an honor guard.

Unknown acts as an advisor at best, a friend at most,we do not interfere in their sovereignty beyond the agreed upon terms. If I have any of this off, Ksh will correct.

Thank you, that is all.

Anyone wants to discuss and remain civil, I may be reached on Discord.
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Postby Cormactopia Prime » Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:14 pm

Savaer wrote:So quit getting your bloody knickers in a knot, Souls [. . .] The drama is beneath you.

Looks like raider unity is doing as well as ever. Quite a way to talk to the guy who did all the work and literally handed you the region on a platter.

I'm unsure, based on what you said, that you are actually honoring the agreement made with TBH when they handed you the region. That said, doing this behind their back to the point that Souls (and even Avakael) clearly had no idea it was going on, responding in the way you have, and then keeping the bare minimum credit to the people who handed you Westphalia? Really? This reeks of the bad old days of Unknown, when no one, including your fellow raiders, could trust you to behave honorably. Elindra and Avakael really should push your influence out, for good, because it's not a positive force, to say the least.
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Postby Arbraria » Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:16 pm

Cormactopia Prime wrote:
Savaer wrote:So This reeks of the bad old days of Unknown, when no one, including your fellow raiders, could trust you to behave honorably. Elindra and Avakael really should push your influence out, for good, because it's not a positive force, to say the least.

I see a condemnation coming up....
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Postby Cormactopia Prime » Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:18 pm

Arbraria wrote:
Cormactopia Prime wrote:

I see a condemnation coming up....

Unknown isn't worth a condemnation.

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Postby Arbraria » Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:19 pm

Cormactopia Prime wrote:
Arbraria wrote:I see a condemnation coming up....

Unknown isn't worth a condemnation.

ooooooooh

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Postby Sarakart » Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:19 pm

Well, confusion aside...congratulations, I guess? I'm almost worried to commit to a statement lest I turn away for five minutes and the situation changes. But if this is the final situation then congratulations on the negotiations.
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Postby Lenlyvit » Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:22 pm

Cormactopia Prime wrote:
Arbraria wrote:I see a condemnation coming up....

Unknown isn't worth a condemnation.

Maybe a..... liberation? :p
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Postby Stellar Colonies » Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:23 pm

Lenlyvit wrote:
Cormactopia Prime wrote:Unknown isn't worth a condemnation.

Maybe a..... liberation? :p

A liberation from themselves.
Floofybit wrote:Your desired society should be one where you are submissive and controlled
Primitive Communism wrote:What bodily autonomy do men need?
Techocracy101010 wrote:If she goes on a rampage those saggy wonders are as deadly as nunchucks
Parmistan wrote:It's not ALWAYS acceptable when we do it, but it's MORE acceptable when we do it.
Theodorable wrote:Jihad will win.
Distruzio wrote:All marriage outside the Church is gay marriage.
Khardsland wrote:Terrorism in its original definition is a good thing.
I try to be objective, but I do have some biases.

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Stellar Colonies is a loose galactic confederacy.

The Confederacy & the WA.

Add 1200 years.

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Postby Ikania » Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:23 pm

Lenlyvit wrote:
Cormactopia Prime wrote:Unknown isn't worth a condemnation.

Maybe a..... liberation? :p

And they all moved away from me on the bench...
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Postby Savaer » Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:24 pm

Cormactopia Prime wrote:
Savaer wrote:So quit getting your bloody knickers in a knot, Souls [. . .] The drama is beneath you.

Looks like raider unity is doing as well as ever. Quite a way to talk to the guy who did all the work and literally handed you the region on a platter.

I'm unsure, based on what you said, that you are actually honoring the agreement made with TBH when they handed you the region. That said, doing this behind their back to the point that Souls (and even Avakael) clearly had no idea it was going on, responding in the way you have, and then keeping the bare minimum credit to the people who handed you Westphalia? Really? This reeks of the bad old days of Unknown, when no one, including your fellow raiders, could trust you to behave honorably. Elindra and Avakael really should push your influence out, for good, because it's not a positive force, to say the least.

Elindra was present for the negotiations, and was Unknown's diplomat. Avakael was aware, and informed. The report in this thread did not mirror that information given. You want the screenshot? I'll snap Ava saying he was good with it.

*Edit: I might have been high on him saying shit, but it's all right there for him. With time for him to stamp a no.
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When night has fallen, embrace the screams of your foes,
For that is when Cruor shall speak to you.

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Postby Cormactopia Prime » Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:27 pm

Savaer wrote:
Cormactopia Prime wrote:Looks like raider unity is doing as well as ever. Quite a way to talk to the guy who did all the work and literally handed you the region on a platter.

I'm unsure, based on what you said, that you are actually honoring the agreement made with TBH when they handed you the region. That said, doing this behind their back to the point that Souls (and even Avakael) clearly had no idea it was going on, responding in the way you have, and then keeping the bare minimum credit to the people who handed you Westphalia? Really? This reeks of the bad old days of Unknown, when no one, including your fellow raiders, could trust you to behave honorably. Elindra and Avakael really should push your influence out, for good, because it's not a positive force, to say the least.

Elindra was present for the negotiations, and was Unknown's diplomat. Avakael was aware, and informed. The report in this thread did not mirror that information given. You want the screenshot? I'll snap Ava saying he was good with it.

No, that just confirms that all three of you screwed TBH, and you're not exclusively the problem. That's unfortunate.

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Postby Arbraria » Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:28 pm

Savaer wrote:
Cormactopia Prime wrote:Looks like raider unity is doing as well as ever. Quite a way to talk to the guy who did all the work and literally handed you the region on a platter.

I'm unsure, based on what you said, that you are actually honoring the agreement made with TBH when they handed you the region. That said, doing this behind their back to the point that Souls (and even Avakael) clearly had no idea it was going on, responding in the way you have, and then keeping the bare minimum credit to the people who handed you Westphalia? Really? This reeks of the bad old days of Unknown, when no one, including your fellow raiders, could trust you to behave honorably. Elindra and Avakael really should push your influence out, for good, because it's not a positive force, to say the least.

Elindra was present for the negotiations, and was Unknown's diplomat. Avakael was aware, and informed. The report in this thread did not mirror that information given. You want the screenshot? I'll snap Ava saying he was good with it.

more drama ;) ;) ;)

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Postby RiderSyl » Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:29 pm

Savaer wrote:Avakael was aware, and informed.

Klaus Devestatorie wrote:I've heard absolutely nothing about any kind of formal deal.


Explain
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Postby Scrapper 142 » Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:30 pm

RiderSyl wrote:
Savaer wrote:Avakael was aware, and informed.

Klaus Devestatorie wrote:I've heard absolutely nothing about any kind of formal deal.


Explain

Good luck with finding someone to do that

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Postby Arbraria » Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:31 pm

I just feel like saying this
HOWS IT FEEL TBH YOU SNATCH OUR REGION AND NOW UNKNOWN SNATCHES IT FROM YOU. HA

jk jk, dont wanna cause no trouble

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Postby Stellar Colonies » Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:33 pm

Arbraria wrote:I just feel like saying this
HOWS IT FEEL TBH YOU SNATCH OUR REGION AND NOW UNKNOWN SNATCHES IT FROM YOU. HA

jk jk, dont wanna cause no trouble

TBH handed it over to Unknown.
Floofybit wrote:Your desired society should be one where you are submissive and controlled
Primitive Communism wrote:What bodily autonomy do men need?
Techocracy101010 wrote:If she goes on a rampage those saggy wonders are as deadly as nunchucks
Parmistan wrote:It's not ALWAYS acceptable when we do it, but it's MORE acceptable when we do it.
Theodorable wrote:Jihad will win.
Distruzio wrote:All marriage outside the Church is gay marriage.
Khardsland wrote:Terrorism in its original definition is a good thing.
I try to be objective, but I do have some biases.

North Californian.
Stellar Colonies is a loose galactic confederacy.

The Confederacy & the WA.

Add 1200 years.

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Savaer
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Postby Savaer » Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:33 pm

RiderSyl wrote:
Savaer wrote:Avakael was aware, and informed.

Klaus Devestatorie wrote:I've heard absolutely nothing about any kind of formal deal.


Explain

I'm trying to figure out how he wasn't. He has access to the admin area we posted in.
When night falls, expect there to be blood,
As night falls, expect there to be fear,
When night has fallen, embrace the screams of your foes,
For that is when Cruor shall speak to you.

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Postby Arbraria » Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:36 pm

Stellar Colonies wrote:
Arbraria wrote:I just feel like saying this
HOWS IT FEEL TBH YOU SNATCH OUR REGION AND NOW UNKNOWN SNATCHES IT FROM YOU. HA

jk jk, dont wanna cause no trouble

TBH handed it over to Unknown.

and pass it back to us.
*Hot potato plays in background*

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Postby Lenlyvit » Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:37 pm

Arbraria wrote:
Stellar Colonies wrote:TBH handed it over to Unknown.

and pass it back to us.
*Hot potato plays in background*

You might want to stop, before you make a bigger fool out of yourself and cause an inter-regional incident bigger than what's already going on.

Edit: And if you keep going, TBH might make Rhinia as big a prime target as Westphalia was.
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