The New Balder Order would not be a very likable government.
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by Vuori Kunin-Grrs » Sat Dec 30, 2017 12:00 pm
by North East Somerset » Sat Dec 30, 2017 1:56 pm
Imagine if Rachel were to be suddenly ejected from the WA or deleted. Then Balder's leadership defaults to NES immediately, who is not particularly active:
Most Recent Government Activity: 3 days ago
Presumably, TNP and Euro would immediately begin piling in to support NES' account and prop them up. But it really would all depend on what NES did or didn't do in the next seventy two hours.
The delegacy would have lost fifty endorsements or so dropping from Rachel to NES. I think it's fair to say TNP & Euro could get near to closing gap. However, if Rachel has fifty more native endorsements, that means they're out there! In theory, an anonymous tarter who arrived in Balder early when the hammer dropped could out-trade an inactive vice delegate and take the delegacy over a few days. The real problem is regional influence, which Francos didn't face. NES would still have regional influence - loads of it. Francos ejected TheDoc by August 29, but I think it'd take a bit more than five months for the couper to eject NES; to expedite that process and keep their position, the couper would have to be running a very ruthless (and successful) barrage of unendorsement messages to the endorsees of NES.
It's a long shot, but there would be advantages in the couper's corner. Francos was able to criticize TheDoc for his unreliability and focus on knocking the resistance's credibility. There would be similar lines of discussion - accurate or not - to trot out in the case of Balder. Moreover, Balder's regime would receive foreign support that was distributed in a very partisan manner. Defenders would hold off helping - and independents might go overboard and give the couper fuel to use for his/her propaganda, which Francos pioneered in his fight against the ADN. This all would be, essentially, the Francos method: (1) take advantage of extraordinary circumstances, (2) tart, (3) stay quiet and anonymous during the initial takeover and then ridicule and delegitimize your opponents upon taking the delegacy, (4) exploit update mechanics.
by Queen Yuno » Sat Dec 30, 2017 2:11 pm
North East Somerset wrote:Imagine if Rachel were to be suddenly ejected from the WA or deleted. Then Balder's leadership defaults to NES immediately, who is not particularly active:
Most Recent Government Activity: 3 days ago
Presumably, TNP and Euro would immediately begin piling in to support NES' account and prop them up. But it really would all depend on what NES did or didn't do in the next seventy two hours.
The delegacy would have lost fifty endorsements or so dropping from Rachel to NES. I think it's fair to say TNP & Euro could get near to closing gap. However, if Rachel has fifty more native endorsements, that means they're out there! In theory, an anonymous tarter who arrived in Balder early when the hammer dropped could out-trade an inactive vice delegate and take the delegacy over a few days. The real problem is regional influence, which Francos didn't face. NES would still have regional influence - loads of it. Francos ejected TheDoc by August 29, but I think it'd take a bit more than five months for the couper to eject NES; to expedite that process and keep their position, the couper would have to be running a very ruthless (and successful) barrage of unendorsement messages to the endorsees of NES.
It's a long shot, but there would be advantages in the couper's corner. Francos was able to criticize TheDoc for his unreliability and focus on knocking the resistance's credibility. There would be similar lines of discussion - accurate or not - to trot out in the case of Balder. Moreover, Balder's regime would receive foreign support that was distributed in a very partisan manner. Defenders would hold off helping - and independents might go overboard and give the couper fuel to use for his/her propaganda, which Francos pioneered in his fight against the ADN. This all would be, essentially, the Francos method: (1) take advantage of extraordinary circumstances, (2) tart, (3) stay quiet and anonymous during the initial takeover and then ridicule and delegitimize your opponents upon taking the delegacy, (4) exploit update mechanics.
Only in your wildest fantasies, Unibot.
I think you are getting a bit ahead of yourself, assuming that because I hadn't logged into the nation for 3 days that I was not around - watching. Always watching.
by Pollaetorian » Sat Dec 30, 2017 2:28 pm
Fauxia wrote:It’s amazing that an obscurity did this. I mean, imagine if an anonymous nation nobody’s heard of coup’ed one of the Feeders now. Do you think that would be possible?
by Unibot III » Sat Dec 30, 2017 2:52 pm
[violet] wrote:I mean this in the best possible way,
but Unibot is not a typical NS player.
Milograd wrote:You're a caring, resolute lunatic
with the best of intentions.
by States of Glory » Sat Dec 30, 2017 3:06 pm
Unibot III wrote:Oh no, I think I may have actually have found Francos Spain's first main account by pure accident while researching something else.Urrrgh. I'll keep the name a secret, I think. But yeah, it's out there...
- Mid-level Farker/Pirate that participated in the invasion of America.
- Communist-themed.
- Later stashed as a puppet in Spain for a few years.
by Rand AlThor » Sat Dec 30, 2017 3:21 pm
Unibot III wrote:Oh no, I think I may have actually have found Francos Spain's first main account by pure accident while researching something else.Urrrgh. I'll keep the name a secret, I think. But yeah, it's out there...
- Mid-level Farker/Pirate that participated in the invasion of America.
- Communist-themed.
- Later stashed as a puppet in Spain for a few years.
by The Noble Thatcherites » Sat Dec 30, 2017 3:38 pm
You NEED to tell us now.Unibot III wrote:Oh no, I think I may have actually have found Francos Spain's first main account by pure accident while researching something else.
Kanglia wrote:Thatcher. Wants. As. Little. To. Do. With. You. All. As. Possible.
Résumé
The Union of Democratic States
Citizen and Founder
Prime Minister (x1)
Motion(s) Passed (x15)
Ambassador (x21)
Publisher for The Union Post (x5)
Constitutional Framer (x4)
The Free Nations Region
Citizen and Legislator
Justice (x1)
Motion(s) Passed (1x)
The Allied States
Citizen
Senator (x1)
FORGE
Representative (x4)
Chancellor (x1)
ITDA
Founder
Representative (x1)
Secretary General (x1)
Charter Author (x2)
Court of International Law and Justice
Foreign Affairs Justice (x1)
Europeia
Citizen and Assemblyman (x1)
The South Pacific
Citizen
SPSF Recruit (x1)
by Kanglia » Sat Dec 30, 2017 6:40 pm
by Parazzia » Sat Dec 30, 2017 8:21 pm
by Unibot III » Sat Dec 30, 2017 8:29 pm
Parazzia wrote:I know this assumption wasn't made here, though it could easily be inferred and I want to point it out: neither Poskrebyshev or Francos Spain could have been InfernoIce, because all three were WA members at the same time (InfernoIce appears to have been Francos Spain's first endorser).
[violet] wrote:I mean this in the best possible way,
but Unibot is not a typical NS player.
Milograd wrote:You're a caring, resolute lunatic
with the best of intentions.
by Fauxia » Sun Dec 31, 2017 7:33 am
Probably the same reason as everyone else- real lifeFrog World wrote:I wonder why Franco's Spain left the game?
by Unibot III » Sun Dec 31, 2017 10:20 am
Frog World wrote:I wonder why Franco's Spain left the game?
[violet] wrote:I mean this in the best possible way,
but Unibot is not a typical NS player.
Milograd wrote:You're a caring, resolute lunatic
with the best of intentions.
by Fauxia » Sun Dec 31, 2017 10:39 am
I mean, what’s the likelihood that someone committed suicide over a web game?Unibot III wrote:Frog World wrote:I wonder why Franco's Spain left the game?
NPO’s coup of TNP went sour in the summer of 2004. Francos Spain was ejected and banned from TNP in the onslaught. He then proceeded to CTE. The widely held belief - that he committed suicide - was untrue but that didn’t stop NPO from reporting it and capitalizing on the international sympathy as they transitioned to the PRP. Insiders say he tried to return to the NPO in 05/06 on different platforms and was turned away at the door.
No non-NPOer really knows the answer to your question - I’ve heard some wild and dramatic rumours - but if I were to take a stab at it based on the available evidence: He had a hissy fit over losing TNP and stormed off NS. Perhaps claiming suicide was a twisted way of saving face after failing to take TNP, I dunno. I do suspect though there’s something missing from this story.
by Revolutionary Vanguardism » Sun Dec 31, 2017 10:59 am
Francos Spain briefly revived his nation for the 10th Year Anniversary of the August Revolution in 2013.Fauxia wrote:I mean, what’s the likelihood that someone committed suicide over a web game?
Wait. But Francos Spain only CTEd in 2011
by Crazy girl » Sun Dec 31, 2017 11:02 am
by Revolutionary Vanguardism » Sun Dec 31, 2017 11:08 am
Could you be kind enough to tell us which nations communicated that message to 'enemy factions'?Crazy girl wrote:It is what was communicated to enemy factions through private channels.
by Crazy girl » Sun Dec 31, 2017 11:09 am
by Revolutionary Vanguardism » Sun Dec 31, 2017 11:15 am
by Crazy girl » Sun Dec 31, 2017 11:32 am
by Unibot III » Sun Dec 31, 2017 11:44 am
Revolutionary Vanguardism wrote:Francos Spain briefly revived his nation for the 10th Year Anniversary of the August Revolution in 2013.Fauxia wrote:I mean, what’s the likelihood that someone committed suicide over a web game?
Wait. But Francos Spain only CTEd in 2011
It should also be noted that no NPO official ever stated Francos Spain committeed 'suicide'. The official thread on the proboards forum simply talks about a real-life disaster which has forced him to leave the game. It really is low to attempt to claim that somehow the entire NPO Senate was conspiring so that the New Pacific Order could gain some in-game sympathy.
Whether you liked Franco’s Spain or you hated him, if you were anybody in NationStates you knew him. The week started off with the resignation of Franco’s Spain from the game because of a “catastrophic tragedy” in his life as he stated on the Pacific forums. It was at that point that the 7,000 nation strong region was at it’s weakest. They were leaderless and in the process of reorganization.
But at that time it was with “Strength and Honor” that the Alliance Defense Network chose to invade the Pacific showing their true colors. The motto of the A.D.N. is “With Strength and Honor” and being an independent observer I was definitely impressed that the A.D.N. was able to live up to their motto. It was with honor that that they took advantage of a personal tragedy for their regional leader and started a siege against Unlimited, a nation in the Pacific government whom is expected to fill the void of the former leader.
It was with honor that the A.D.N. violated treaties they had signed with the Meritocracy to justify the war which happened to coincide with the personal tragedy of Franco’s Spain.
It was with strength that the A.D.N. expressed regrets about the departure of Franco’s Spain but at the same time tried to destabilize all that he had worked for in the Pacific.
So thank you A.D.N. for demonstrating your true convictions to the world. Thank you for living up your motto. Thank you for expressing respect and courage in defending your own interests at the same time as the figurehead of the region you are invading is experiencing personal tragedy and a life altering event. Thank you showing your bravery by violating treaties and taking advantage of the sense of trust that others had in you. Why do I say thank you? Because we used to trust you A.D.N., we wanted to support you, we believed your goal was noble at one point but don’t worry. We, and the world will never make that mistake again.
July 11 wrote:THE PACIFIC
World Factbook Entry: newpacificorder.proboards19.com/index.cgi
UN nations are requested to temporarily move to The North Pacific and endorse Francos Spain.
UN Delegate: None.
[violet] wrote:I mean this in the best possible way,
but Unibot is not a typical NS player.
Milograd wrote:You're a caring, resolute lunatic
with the best of intentions.
by Myrth » Tue Jan 02, 2018 12:48 pm
Crazy girl wrote:Hmm, I did some digging actually, it seems it was mentioned on the old Meritocracy forum. My post that I did find on a different forum mentions Unlimited and Myrth confirmed the news of Francos Spain committing suicide. It is possible they were duped as well, I'd hate to think they were in on the lie and used it to stop the takeover that was happening during that time and was aborted when this news did come out.
by Mallorea and Riva » Tue Jan 02, 2018 1:56 pm
Myrth wrote:Crazy girl wrote:Hmm, I did some digging actually, it seems it was mentioned on the old Meritocracy forum. My post that I did find on a different forum mentions Unlimited and Myrth confirmed the news of Francos Spain committing suicide. It is possible they were duped as well, I'd hate to think they were in on the lie and used it to stop the takeover that was happening during that time and was aborted when this news did come out.
I can't recall either of us 'confirming' that. Not that it matters either way, the security of the Pacific was of paramount concern to which the end always justify the means.
by Eluvatar » Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:05 pm
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