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The State of the Sinkers

Postby Man on the Street » Wed Dec 20, 2017 5:04 pm

The State of the Sinkers


And so it rises, an awesome darkness passing across sinkerdom. With it, the inevitable ignorance of events to come.

We are in the midst of a collision of power and ambition. Mere moments, in historical terms, from the outbreak of war.

It's traditional that at the end of a year, we ought to consider the journey we've taken. Consider Lazarus, its natives exiled with the support of raiders and imperialists leading Balder and Osiris (the same collaborators now accusing the South Pacific of transgressing for having tried to stop the rise of this annexation!). We have seen Balder and Osiris offer their support for this occupation, the Undead Dominion of Lazarus. In turn, we have seen the shape of the Undead Dominion take the form of its supporters in Balder and Osiris: monarchist, raider, and authoritarian. In the alignment of these three regions, the Pharaoh's calls for a pan-sinkerism ring opportune.

We are witnessing the formation of a new ideology. Sinkerism. Naturally, this value system will claim to be the true evocation of the local interests of their respective sinker regions. A belief in sovereign birthright and an affinity for aggressive powers that, in their minds, is necessary to achieve stability and the projection of power in light of the limitations of sinker regions. Sinkerism will conjure up many a word in the minds of players: "raider," "invader," "monarchist," "exceptionalist," "userite."

Sinkerism
An ideology for the governance of sinker regions that proposes..

1) A strong sovereign monarch to guard the stability of the region.
2) An intimate, sycophantic alliance with those most likely to invade them otherwise.


The natural allies of sinkerism are the burgeoning raider aristocracy in the feeder regions - the Rahls - in addition to the Independent Manifesto's sphere of influence, independents and imperialists - a wide, bountiful association. The natural enemies of sinkerism will be a far more 'ragtag' gang, consisting of the exiled Lazarenes, the cowboylike Rejects, their friends to the South, and a New Pacific Order - all aware of the direness of the situation.

In the heart of Francograd sits the Eternal Flame whose fires will have burnt undisturbed for a saeculum. Older still is the code of defenders. But look around! The institutions of old are fading into the past. Their recent retreat inwards, a mere surrender of the calling. They already know what must be done. To survive, the Children of Francos and TheDoc will have to put aside their grievances to fight a greater fight. The dream of Pacifica, the Kingdom Come, will be dead if a new Pacific order rises in its absence. Nor will the call for freedom be met, if an empty despotism is left to befall the Pacifics.

Caught in the middle of this struggle is the North Pacific, the West Pacific, and the East Pacific. For them, the decision they face in this conflict is existential. A question, simply put, to support their old allies and their old raison d'être or embrace their new allies and the regions they have become.

The chess-pieces are in place, the intent is all but promulgated, the battle royale will soon arrive. What a year it will be.

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Postby Pergamon » Wed Dec 20, 2017 5:10 pm

What did I just read?!
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Postby Ikania » Wed Dec 20, 2017 5:22 pm

Well written, but it would be wrong to define Sinkerism so strictly. Advancement of the interests of sinkerite communities (traditional sinkerism?) shouldn't be tied in with the idea of sinker dictatorship, which to many effects the exact opposite of that. The politics of fear and strategy of violent seizure of power to establish authoritarian dictatorships (Lazarus, Osiris) is another ideology on its own, call it what you will. Sinkerism, if it is a word to be used in the future, should denote a more general sense of care for the communities of sinkers, and focus more on the mutual interests and security of the regions than of their present repressive nature. It's not too late to save the word from being caught up in a web of Francoist jargon like Feederites and Userites have been.
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Postby Kanglia » Wed Dec 20, 2017 5:24 pm

I second Pergamon's statement.

Secondly, can you & all these other people stop hiding behind puppets. It's quite honestly stupid & makes everything said harder to take seriously.

Which is saying something because a lot of this I already have trouble taking seriously.
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Postby Unibot III » Wed Dec 20, 2017 5:38 pm

A defender and francoist alliance was already "tested" a bit in 2013. It didn't err, end well for either parties (i.e., NLO.) I'll share some thoughts on this when I have more time to write.
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Postby Catalyse » Wed Dec 20, 2017 5:39 pm

Kanglia wrote:I second Pergamon's statement.

Secondly, can you & all these other people stop hiding behind puppets. It's quite honestly stupid & makes everything said harder to take seriously.

Which is saying something because a lot of this I already have trouble taking seriously.
I can spare you the grief, it's La Navasse.

Now you can go back to not taking any of this seriously. :^)
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Postby Feux » Wed Dec 20, 2017 5:39 pm

Sinkerism isn't new, it just runs in a cycle. If you want to fight it, all you have to do is wait.
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Postby Lord Ravenclaw » Wed Dec 20, 2017 5:57 pm

Pergamon wrote:What did I just read?!


I am actually in agreement with you for the first time ever.
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Postby Davelands » Wed Dec 20, 2017 6:50 pm

I'll give it points for the prose.
The rest of it... Meh.
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Postby Syberis » Wed Dec 20, 2017 6:58 pm

You stole my shtick! :(

In all seriousness, as anyone who has spoken to me for more than 5 minutes knows, the particular definition of Sinkerism I propose is quite simple. It serves to make very simple points.

1.) Sinkers have a fundamentally different atmosphere than Feeders; to call Sinkerites Feederites is to ignore the fundamental game differences between Sinkers and Feeders. Hence, the use of the term.

2.) Sinkers, because they do not found new nations, and only refound nations (which means that at best, a "native" has already quit the game once) means that Sinkerites make a conscious decision to become so, whether by importation or remaining after a refound. It is not their natural state, and not their initial state.

Due to these two things, Sinkerism is merely the application of deliberate intent to grow and maintain presence in a Sinker above all else, and to work for its betterment. It's not a specific political ideology, and can be raider, defender, monarchist, democrat, red, blue, chocolate, peanut butter... it's irrelevant. Sinkerism merely serves to draw awareness to the unique circumstances of Sinkers, as Game Created Regions fundamentally different than the Feeders.

Do I, for example, occasionally use that to advocate for monarchism? Yes. Because of smaller community size and a variety of other factors, but that isn't the debate. Right now, the insane idea that Sinkerism is inherently R/D oriented or mindset oriented as opposed to simply a description of the kind of individual that strives to work in Sinkers, for one reason or another, shows an utter lack of awareness on the OP's part.

EDIT: As far as I'm aware, I've been the one championing that word more than anyone else. I'm not gonna claim creation of it, because come on, even I'm not that egocentric. Perhaps OP should sit down with me sometime and ask questions about what I meant and what applications the idea has? They might learn a thing or two.
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Postby Mostly Benevolent Tyranny » Wed Dec 20, 2017 7:12 pm

Catalyse wrote:
Kanglia wrote:I second Pergamon's statement.

Secondly, can you & all these other people stop hiding behind puppets. It's quite honestly stupid & makes everything said harder to take seriously.

Which is saying something because a lot of this I already have trouble taking seriously.
I can spare you the grief, it's La Navasse.

Now you can go back to not taking any of this seriously. :^)


Not a chance. This guy actually has graceful prose.
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Postby Reploid Productions » Wed Dec 20, 2017 7:23 pm

Can those of us who don't do well with Fortress-of-Text posts get a tl;dr? Brevity is the soul of wit and all that jazz. :lol2:
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Postby Jar Wattinree » Wed Dec 20, 2017 7:26 pm

Reploid Productions wrote:Can those of us who don't do well with Fortress-of-Text posts get a tl;dr? Brevity is the soul of wit and all that jazz. :lol2:

TL;DR something politics.
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Postby Reploid Productions » Wed Dec 20, 2017 7:35 pm

Jar Wattinree wrote:
Reploid Productions wrote:Can those of us who don't do well with Fortress-of-Text posts get a tl;dr? Brevity is the soul of wit and all that jazz. :lol2:

TL;DR something politics.

That's the Nationstates tl;dr in general! :rofl:
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Postby Altino » Wed Dec 20, 2017 7:45 pm

Reploid Productions wrote:Can those of us who don't do well with Fortress-of-Text posts get a tl;dr? Brevity is the soul of wit and all that jazz. :lol2:


tl;dr some mystery guy heard a new word and decided it’d probably be a pretty good angle to manipulate GCRs into a divide and conquer situation, so he called Sinkers scary and then hid behind the curtains to see what happened. Took a shot in the dark, got a lot of lolwut in return. It happens. :p
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Postby Man on the Street » Wed Dec 20, 2017 7:47 pm

Reploid Productions wrote:Can those of us who don't do well with Fortress-of-Text posts get a tl;dr? Brevity is the soul of wit and all that jazz. :lol2:


tl;dr:

TSP + TRR + NPO + CUL vs. Balder + Osiris + UDoL

The latter linked by a common ideal of saber-rattling monarchism, sinkerism.

The former linked by mutual interest in preventing the rise of a ubiquitous new force in the GCRs.

The stance of TNP, TEP, TWP is TBD. It's a decision of whether to return to old allegiances or embrace the new.

(And yes, that hurt.)

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Postby Reploid Productions » Wed Dec 20, 2017 7:48 pm

Man on the Street wrote:
Reploid Productions wrote:Can those of us who don't do well with Fortress-of-Text posts get a tl;dr? Brevity is the soul of wit and all that jazz. :lol2:


tl;dr:

TSP + TRR + NPO + CUL vs. Balder + Osiris + UDoL

The latter linked by a common ideal of saber-rattling monarchism, sinkerism.

The former linked by mutual interest in preventing the rise of a ubiquitous new force in the GCRs.

The stance of TNP, TEP, TWP is TBD. It's a decision of whether to return to old allegiances or embrace the new.

(And yes, that hurt.)

Aha, that helps! Thanks!
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Postby Syberis » Wed Dec 20, 2017 7:50 pm

Man on the Street wrote:
Reploid Productions wrote:Can those of us who don't do well with Fortress-of-Text posts get a tl;dr? Brevity is the soul of wit and all that jazz. :lol2:


tl;dr:

TSP + TRR + NPO + CUL vs. Balder + Osiris + UDoL

The latter linked by a common ideal of saber-rattling monarchism, sinkerism.

The former linked by mutual interest in preventing the rise of a ubiquitous new force in the GCRs.

The stance of TNP, TEP, TWP is TBD. It's a decision of whether to return to old allegiances or embrace the new.

(And yes, that hurt.)


I'd be rather miffed if TRR decided to cast aside their NAP. Would break mah poor heart.

EDIT: I can't imagine that if things go as ridiculously as you claim, that the other Feeders wouldn't get involved in some form.
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Postby Solorni » Wed Dec 20, 2017 7:57 pm

Man on the Street wrote:
Reploid Productions wrote:Can those of us who don't do well with Fortress-of-Text posts get a tl;dr? Brevity is the soul of wit and all that jazz. :lol2:


tl;dr:

TSP + TRR + NPO + CUL vs. Balder + Osiris + UDoL

The latter linked by a common ideal of saber-rattling monarchism, sinkerism.

The former linked by mutual interest in preventing the rise of a ubiquitous new force in the GCRs.

The stance of TNP, TEP, TWP is TBD. It's a decision of whether to return to old allegiances or embrace the new.

(And yes, that hurt.)

When you're writing an article like this, you should do research on the treaties that each region has. Balder for example has alliances with TWP, TNP, Osiris, Lazarus, Europeia, LKE, NPO, IDU & TCB. Our multilateral treaties are WALL with TNP-IDU-Balder-Europeia & the GCR Sov Accords with NPO-TWP-Balder. These are our alliances & 'bloc'.

Doing research on the treaties for each region will allow you to do a better, more comprehensive job better that makes more sense.
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Postby The Church of Satan » Wed Dec 20, 2017 9:18 pm

Pergamon wrote:What did I just read?!

Comes off as the narrative to a movie, a possibly overhyped epic of action, betrayal, deceit, bravery, loyalty, destruction and rebirth. I'd pay a dollar to see it. :p
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Postby Oakrugia » Wed Dec 20, 2017 9:21 pm

This does not mean much without context. A sinker is defined as a region that mostly favors new nations to be created upon, whether or not they'd be satisfied with the region that they would be stay at or not, and this just mixes up the whole process of even having Sinker regions.
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Postby Fauxia » Wed Dec 20, 2017 9:37 pm

Reploid Productions wrote:Can those of us who don't do well with Fortress-of-Text posts get a tl;dr? Brevity is the soul of wit and all that jazz. :lol2:
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Postby Reploid Productions » Wed Dec 20, 2017 9:54 pm

Fauxia wrote:
Reploid Productions wrote:Can those of us who don't do well with Fortress-of-Text posts get a tl;dr? Brevity is the soul of wit and all that jazz. :lol2:
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