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WA Category Distribution: An Update

Postby Caelapes » Sat Dec 09, 2017 8:46 pm

I think most players on NationStates are familiar with the WA Category chart—the famous three-tiered graph that shows the distribution of nations by WA Category, arranged along three axes: the personal, economic, and political freedoms of the nation. The chart that most players are familiar with is roughly thirteen years old at least (the earliest mention I can find of it on the Jolt archives is from 2004, but I haven't looked too deeply).

I figured it was time for an update. Using data from The Red Fleet's backend, I generated this chart:

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I went with a six-color gradient to capture as much variety as possible. The six color points are magenta at 31%, red at 15%, yellow at 7%, green at 3%, cyan at 1%, and blue at 0%. The RGB value for each category's label is calculated by its percentage and the corresponding distance to the next color point. Of the 27 categories, nine fall between blue and cyan, seven between cyan and green, eight between green and yellow, two between yellow and red, and one (Inoffensive Centrist Democracies) between red and magenta. The legend makes it look like the majority of categories are squashed into a small set of colors, but that's not really the case.

It's clear that Inoffensive Centrist Democracies are far and away the most common form of WA Category on NationStates, making up 23.7% of nations in a single category. The previous chart either capped the gradient at 15% or the largest share of any single category at the time was 15%. ICD has grown in share by quite a bit if the second statement is true. The smallest category is Tyranny by Majority with only 0.31% of nations being so labeled. (Technically, Tyranny by Majority is second—Mother Knows Best State is technically in last at 0.27%, but was included with the equivalent Father Knows Best State for the purposes of creating the chart.)

Other changes that I'm seeing from the old chart, which are somewhat subjective since I don't know the data that went into creating it, include what appears to be a consolidation of the center tier inwards toward Inoffensive Centrist Democracies, while some of the peripheral tiers have experienced some expansion—it looks like Anarchy and Left-wing Utopias are more prevalent, and New York Times Democracy has overtaken second place from Democratic Socialists, which appeared to almost be on the same level of frequency as ICD in the original graph.

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Postby Reventus Koth » Sat Dec 09, 2017 8:51 pm

Good work. Been long enough since we had an accurate map.
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Inspired by my question on discord? If so, I'm glad my laziness inspired something so productive :p

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Postby The Anti-Social Socialists » Sat Dec 09, 2017 9:05 pm

I really hate to be a pill, but it appears as though you have your 'personal freedoms' axis around the wrong way. If I recall correctly, civil rights love-fests tend to enjoy few restrictions on personal freedoms...
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Postby Mount Seymour » Sat Dec 09, 2017 9:07 pm

@Caelapes: the "Authoritarian" and "Libertarian" labels on the personal freedom arrow scale are mixed up. Auth. goes on bottom, Lib. on top.

EDIT: Ah, seems to be fixed now.

Interesting to note that (moreso than the original chart) all the least common ones are political-personal extreme opposite pairs.
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Postby Caelapes » Sat Dec 09, 2017 9:12 pm

The Anti-Social Socialists wrote:I really hate to be a pill, but it appears as though you have your 'personal freedoms' axis around the wrong way. If I recall correctly, civil rights love-fests tend to enjoy few restrictions on personal freedoms...

Mount Seymour wrote:@Caelapes: the "Authoritarian" and "Libertarian" labels on the personal freedom arrow scale are mixed up. Auth. goes on bottom, Lib. on top.

I don't know what you're talking about. :p

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Thanks.

Mount Seymour wrote:Interesting to note that (moreso than the original chart) all the least common ones are political-personal extreme opposite pairs.

Yeah, that part is interesting. You've got to really try to have opposing political and personal freedoms, but economic freedoms don't seem to play as big a role. Although there are fewer Authoritarian Democracies than Scandinavian Liberal Paradises.
    
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Postby Flanderlion » Sat Dec 09, 2017 9:22 pm

Very interesting, thanks for taking the time to put this together. I always thought of Inoffensive Centrist Democracies as being the cop out 'good at all, master of none' option. Didn't quite realise they were so common though.
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Postby VoVoDoCo » Sat Dec 09, 2017 9:27 pm

I've also noticed that Inoffensive Centralist Democracies don't contribute as much to the forums. Or maybe what they say is just so inoffensive I don't notice them.
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Postby Ransium » Sat Dec 09, 2017 9:30 pm

Keep in mind about 35% of nations in the game haven't answered more than 5 issues. I think ICDs are very easy to make when nations are first created which is impacting these percentages.
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Postby Ratateague » Sat Dec 09, 2017 9:34 pm

What a change compared to the last chart. Are we to take it that the increasingly centralized moderation of ideology is due to less radicalism, the changes in mechanics over time, or a drastic increase in R/D puppets? I'd always assumed that keeping balanced was considerably more difficult to achieve, with consistent issue-answering gradually tipping in one direction.
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Postby Caelapes » Sat Dec 09, 2017 9:46 pm

Ransium wrote:Keep in mind about 35% of nations in the game haven't answered more than 5 issues. I think ICDs are very easy to make when nations first create which is impacting these percentages.

While there isn't a perfect metric for me to filter that out (I mean, there is, but The Red Fleet doesn't pay attention to issues-answering :P) I wondered what it'd look like to just focus on WA member nations.

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The prominence of Democratic Socialists really surges back up in the WA-only chart, and "Free Market Paradise" sinks down to the bottom rank.

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Postby Vulturret » Sat Dec 09, 2017 9:52 pm

I like this chart. It's useful and easy to see what's going on. I'm not a big fan of the political side of NationStates, I think a lot of the issues need work. I've been meaning to write a lot for a long time. However, I really appreciate this diagram. It's insightful into what a nation is doing, good for new players that do the political side of things.
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Postby Consular » Sat Dec 09, 2017 10:33 pm

Interesting. Thanks for doing this.

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Postby Roavin » Sun Dec 10, 2017 1:43 am

Very nice, thanks!

I assume the prevalence of ICDs is due to puppets that are created for other purposes, because creating a nation without bothering to fill out any of the info on the nation creation page leads to an ICD.
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Postby Caelapes » Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:32 am

Roavin wrote:Very nice, thanks!

I assume the prevalence of ICDs is due to puppets that are created for other purposes, because creating a nation without bothering to fill out any of the info on the nation creation page leads to an ICD.

That could be, but I don't think the majority of WA puppets are R/D pups (and this snapshot of WA nations was taken before update) and the percentage of ICDs actually increased when I filtered out non-WA nations.

also: I caught an error in the calculation for the blue value in the red-to-magenta chunk. I've uploaded fixed images. It wasn't too noticeable on the all nations image, but ICDs are noticeably more magenta in the fixed WA-only one.
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Postby Fauxia » Sun Dec 10, 2017 10:43 am

Nice work, Misley! Very nice. Though, I thought Conservative Democracy was least common.
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Fauxia wrote:Nice work, Misley! Very nice. Though, I thought Conservative Democracy was least common.

Thanks! There were, at the time of this chart's creation, 40 more Conservative Democracies than there were Tyranny by Majorities in the world. The bottom few categories are all very close.
    
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Fascinating. I've been clinging to my Benevolent Dictatorship for as long as I've had it.
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Postby Lord Ravenclaw » Sun Dec 10, 2017 1:39 pm

Very nice work, it's great to see an updated chart, thanks. :)
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Mallorea and Riva wrote:Fascinating. I've been clinging to my Benevolent Dictatorship for as long as I've had it.
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Postby Mallorea and Riva » Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:41 am

https://www.nationstates.net/page=nationstats

That page may be interesting for those who found the current breakdown intriguing.
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Postby Caelapes » Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:37 pm

Mallorea and Riva wrote:https://www.nationstates.net/page=nationstats

That page may be interesting for those who found the current breakdown intriguing.

Oh hey, there's the raw data. :P Thanks for that link!

I ran that through the calculations I used to get the colors for my graphs above, and this was the result:

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Compared with the original:

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The color points I picked were different (7% is orange in the original but yellow in mine; 4.5% is yellow in the original but a slightly yellow green in mine; 1% is green in the original and cyan in mine—red and blue are the same at 15% and 0%, respectively), so that explains the difference in color between mine and the original. I'm not really sure how the colors from the original were calculated - red makes sense, but muted yellow, green, and blue? I'm also not sure how they decided on the percentage points for each color—I picked Mersenne numbers.
    
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