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Vincent Drake
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Founded: Dec 08, 2016
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Postby Vincent Drake » Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:17 pm

Stratagem, you and your RL friend consistently make it sound like you are only in it for the refound, and that defenders are only concerned about who refounds it. This is really about native status and support, without which, the region isn't "yours" to refound in the first place.

Nations have been in Boston for far longer than you have, clearly content to just answer issues. A region like that should be left alone in peace, regardless of whether outsiders feel the region is being underutilized, unless you have native support.

If you were serious about gaining native support, you would have asked the existing residents what they actually want to do. Apathy and non-response = status quo. And, if NSIDC were serious about restoring the region with native support, they would have acted in an advisory capacity, not in total control of everything the region does.

A while back, I helped advise founderless Bear Country as they considered a potential refound. For one, they reached out to me via Somy, it wasn't unsolicited. The native community taking initiative indicates that they actually want to do something. You don't just pick an arbitrary region and decide, hey let's refound this! During the process, I offered advise only - no regional controls. Both the decision-making power and in-game power were always entirely in native hands. You are only a guest in their house, you respect their authority and play by their rules. That's the way it's done.

You took the delegacy in Boston, appointed entirely non-native ROs, chose the region's embassies, chose its tags, added it to the NSIDC, added the full set of NSIDC-related embassies, decided to refound it, and banjected actual natives, without any declared native support whatsoever. You've treated this pre-existing community like it's your personal property.
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The New England Revs
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Founded: Oct 09, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby The New England Revs » Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:43 pm

Fratt wrote:
Stratagem wrote:You have got to be kidding me. That’s inappropriate.

That's the spin your "friend" chose to put on it, apparently.



Do not put words in my mouth. You equated this stupid game with sexual assault, not me. Sickening.

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The New England Revs
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Ex-Nation

Postby The New England Revs » Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:55 pm

Vincent Drake wrote:Stratagem, you and your RL friend consistently make it sound like you are only in it for the refound, and that defenders are only concerned about who refounds it. This is really about native status and support, without which, the region isn't "yours" to refound in the first place.

Nations have been in Boston for far longer than you have, clearly content to just answer issues. A region like that should be left alone in peace, regardless of whether outsiders feel the region is being underutilized, unless you have native support.

If you were serious about gaining native support, you would have asked the existing residents what they actually want to do. Apathy and non-response = status quo. And, if NSIDC were serious about restoring the region with native support, they would have acted in an advisory capacity, not in total control of everything the region does.

A while back, I helped advise founderless Bear Country as they considered a potential refound. For one, they reached out to me via Somy, it wasn't unsolicited. The native community taking initiative indicates that they actually want to do something. You don't just pick an arbitrary region and decide, hey let's refound this! During the process, I offered advise only - no regional controls. Both the decision-making power and in-game power were always entirely in native hands. You are only a guest in their house, you respect their authority and play by their rules. That's the way it's done.

You took the delegacy in Boston, appointed entirely non-native ROs, chose the region's embassies, chose its tags, added it to the NSIDC, added the full set of NSIDC-related embassies, decided to refound it, and banjected actual natives, without any declared native support whatsoever. You've treated this pre-existing community like it's your personal property.


Thank you for speaking at least some normalcy! I was asked to join the rejoin strictly for my WA vote, its true, because Gemma had just taken it with native support (Harumi) and replaced a non existent delegate. There was NO ONE. Just big sleepers. It was raided and raided as we sat around answering issues until that aspect got our attention and we said, why not? Lets try!

Treating the region like 1960's East Berlin is what we are trying to avoid and clearly have failed to do.

Personally the experience I have had has been so off putting, and so unfriendly that I am done with this game. I am there for my friend, and the sitting delegate already told us we will be kicked out just as soon as they can arrange it. I am sure by update tonight.

Between the sexist and insensitive commentary; to the labeling of our gaming as raiding I am, as I said, All. Set.

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Roavin
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Postby Roavin » Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:37 pm

The New England Revs wrote:Between the sexist and insensitive commentary; to the labeling of our gaming as raiding I am, as I said, All. Set.


You were the one that took my post showing why Stratagem shouldn't be considered a native to that level, not anybody else.
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Ever-Wandering Souls
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Postby Ever-Wandering Souls » Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:38 pm

Roavin wrote:
The New England Revs wrote:Between the sexist and insensitive commentary; to the labeling of our gaming as raiding I am, as I said, All. Set.


You were the one that took my post showing why Stratagem shouldn't be considered a native to that level, not anybody else.


Him and Centristy over in the other thread. Gotta love when "raiding is like rape!" rears it's ugly head.
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Ransium
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Postby Ransium » Thu Nov 30, 2017 3:09 pm

The New England Revs wrote:Blaming the victim. The culture of abuse (of logic) continues.

So she did not do everything perfect, that makes her the enemy and therefore we should attack her.

Wow. Way to encourage new players! I myself am sickened by the use of logic loops and hypocrisy so I . Am. All. Set.


Yeah, this is very clearly the language of the rape/sexual harassment. We are, as you say, talking about a fictitious region in a game. Employing this sort of language insults sexual harassment victims, escalates a thread needlessly, and is outside of the acceptable 'gameplay smack talk'.

The New England Revs wrote:
Fratt wrote:That's the spin your "friend" chose to put on it, apparently.



Do not put words in my mouth. You equated this stupid game with sexual assault, not me. Sickening.


Blaming someone else for using the language when that is very clearly what was meant by your first comment is also flame baiting. *** The New England Revs is warned for a combination of trolling and flame baiting. ***

Now that I've officially ruled on the matter, I'd be happy if the topic of conversation returned to the region in question, rather than the sort of rhetoric that was used in this thread. Thanks.
Last edited by Ransium on Thu Nov 30, 2017 3:14 pm, edited 2 times in total.

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Stratagem
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Founded: Oct 17, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby Stratagem » Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:10 pm

Just....wow. Waste of a moderator, citation for my friend defending me. I am being attacked he gets two warnings for defending me.

Fratt must be pretty good friends with you!

Also, we are natives who have been trying like hell to make this a better place. Thanks for the burnout. You completely harmed a genuine attempt to make a social place for Boston folks.

Gemma

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Kyrusia
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Postby Kyrusia » Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:25 pm

Stratagem wrote:Just....wow. Waste of a moderator, citation for my friend defending me. I am being attacked he gets two warnings for defending me.

Stratagem: *** Warning for flaming. *** And, on that note, this thread can stay locked, given how it has devolved.
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