NURight

[United Massachusetts]

“REEE” is associated with the ableist “autistic screeching” meme. That’s not me “being silly.”

I have to agree with Misley here. It's definitely sickening ableism.

Calling it ableism would imply autism is a disability, while some on the spectrum might be considered disabled, the vast majority of people with autism have long fulfilling lives

Perhaps I'm using a strong word, correct. Autism is, of course, on a spectrum.

[Caelapes]

“Ableism” refers to bigotry against people who are not neurotypical or who have a disability. I’m not calling autistic people disabled, but feel free to try to spin up whatever defenses of ableism y’all want to, I guess.

[United Massachusetts]

“Ableism” refers to bigotry against people who are not neurotypical or who have a disability. I’m not calling autistic people disabled, but feel free to try to spin up whatever defenses of ableism y’all want to, I guess.

Yes, but shall we wait until NURight issues a response to go off on them? Give them a chance

[NURight]

BREAKING - Oak Ridge Expelled From NURight

Following a unanimous vote of the member regions, Oak Ridge has been expelled from NURight, as they have been deemed unsuitable for membership.

And now for some more questions:

[*]Each region uses embassies for a different purpose. NURight is only planning to open embassies with member regions for instance, but other regions open embassies with everyone they can find. Again, context is important.

Does NURight consider a region with an embassy to a NSLeft member a potential target?

Not unless they take part in significant military operations with NSLeft members.

Still accepting applications for membership! Communist and fascist regions need not apply.

Oh and guys, can we kill the ableism/Reee/autism threadjack? It's entirely irrelevant at this point anyway.

[United Massachusetts]

BREAKING - Oak Ridge Expelled From NURight

Following a unanimous vote of the member regions, Oak Ridge has been expelled from NURight, as they have been deemed unsuitable for membership.

And now for some more questions:

Does NURight consider a region with an embassy to a NSLeft member a potential target?

Not unless they take part in significant military operations with NSLeft members.

Still accepting applications for membership! Communist and fascist regions need not apply.

Oh and guys, can we kill the ableism/Reee/autism threadjack? It's entirely irrelevant at this point anyway.

[Infernia]

Considering the massive failures and embarrassments on the part of NSRight, what exactly are you going to do/already doing differently to revitalize/unify the NationStates right-wing community?
Given you've decided to recycle most of the old branding.

[Iron Alliance of America]

Since I'm pretty new to NS, I've come to the (obvious to you old-timers) conclusion that the Right needs to step up their game.

Don't copy the Left, they have their own stuff. Make an original and new union of the Right in NS. And for God's sake, don't put in incompetent leaders next time. Try a test to see if the potential leaders would be up to the task, or something of the like.

Now to the Left. We get it, you're big and stuff. Impressive. I'm not Left-winged myself but I can appreciate how you managed to unite the majority of the Leftists on NS. But chill out a little bit. Let the Right Wing grow for a while and then start whatever it is you want to accomplish.
It bores the hell out of Right-winged newcomers who can't even find a region to belong to, simply because even the most moderate Right regions have been absolutely obliterated.

But yeah, NURight or whatever it's called won't fix it. Develop a dedicated community, do a bit of outreach! Maybe even set up a discord server, a website, etc. You'll see how many people come flocking to the right.

[Infernia]

Since I'm pretty new to NS, I've come to the (obvious to you old-timers) conclusion that the Right needs to step up their game.

Don't copy the Left, they have their own stuff. Make an original and new union of the Right in NS. And for God's sake, don't put in incompetent leaders next time. Try a test to see if the potential leaders would be up to the task, or something of the like.

Now to the Left. We get it, you're big and stuff. Impressive. I'm not Left-winged myself but I can appreciate how you managed to unite the majority of the Leftists on NS. But chill out a little bit. Let the Right Wing grow for a while and then start whatever it is you want to accomplish.
It bores the hell out of Right-winged newcomers who can't even find a region to belong to, simply because even the most moderate Right regions have been absolutely obliterated.

But yeah, NURight or whatever it's called won't fix it. Develop a dedicated community, do a bit of outreach! Maybe even set up a discord server, a website, etc. You'll see how many people come flocking to the right.

One of the major contributors to, if not THE, reason for NSRight's fall was the split between Fascism and the Moderate Right. The drastic differences in the branches of Right-wing believes; like Libertarianism and Nazism (or if Nazism is even considered, as was debated) is what's hindered a full Union of the Right.
The Left has a relative homogeneity of beliefs and branches; and a somewhat cleaner reputation historically, both in and out of NS.

[Iron Alliance of America]

One of the major contributors to, if not THE, reason for NSRight's fall was the split between Fascism and the Moderate Right. The drastic differences in the branches of Right-wing believes; like Libertarianism and Nazism (or if Nazism is even considered, as was debated) is what's hindered a full Union of the Right.
The Left has a relative homogeneity of beliefs and branches; and a somewhat cleaner reputation historically, both in and out of NS.

That's true- The Right has a variety of differences. Maybe Authoritarian Right and Libertarian Right split? If so, it keeps the two radically different slices of the right apart and still develops a stronger base for each one. Fascists, NRx, Theocratic Dictators, etc. have their own group, while the AnCaps, Minarchists, Tea Party folks, etc. have their own as well. Moderate Right-wingers could probably fit into most moderate groups (And btw, National Socialism, or Nazism, isn't really Right, it's more its own thing).

[Captain Woodhouse]

Since I'm pretty new to NS

I'm curious why you think you know enough about Left/Right gameplay to opine on it.

Now to the Left. We get it, you're big and stuff. Impressive. I'm not Left-winged myself but I can appreciate how you managed to unite the majority of the Leftists on NS.

The Left isn't that big militarily. When Nazi-fascist gameplay still existed a year or so ago, the Left couldn't defend their shit from Nazis and fascists. They required either Security Council or mainstream gameplay intervention to answer Nazi-fascist aggression. The Left has had unity issues, same as the Right. However, the Left has something the Right lacks currently: competent leadership, drive and dedication. Blabbing about taking on the Left isn't the same as doing it.

But chill out a little bit. Let the Right Wing grow for a while and then start whatever it is you want to accomplish.

lol . . . if the Right is so delicate that they require the Left to chill while they get their shit together, they may as well hang it up.

the most moderate Right regions have been absolutely obliterated.

News to me. What 'moderate Right regions have been absolutely obliterated’?

One of the major contributors to, if not THE, reason for NSRight's fall was the split between Fascism and the Moderate Right.

Never heard of NSRight until now. Looks like the only action that dinghy saw was some Cook's champagne dribbling down its bow.

The drastic differences in the branches of Right-wing believes; like Libertarianism and Nazism (or if Nazism is even considered, as was debated) is what's hindered a full Union of the Right.
The Left has a relative homogeneity of beliefs and branches; and a somewhat cleaner reputation historically, both in and out of NS.

Pardon me while I disagree with your analysis. NS military gameplay competency, drive and dedication: the Left’s got it, the Right doesn’t.

The Left puts some effort into recruitment and training. What does the Right and/or moderate Right do in that regard? Do they have a nifty YouTube recruitment vid or incentive plan to help attract new member regions and their soldiers? Training program? Toolbox? Where are the moderate Right’s recruitment TGs? I’m not seeing any active recruitment happening in NURight member regions.

Is the moderate Right doing anything at all beyond blabbing about taking on the commies?

[*]Each region uses embassies for a different purpose. NURight is only planning to open embassies with member regions for instance, but other regions open embassies with everyone they can find. Again, context is important.

Wow, K-REICH is finally axing their NE embassy. Whatever thumbscrews were applied to them should be used on your other founding member region holding an NE embassy: The United Federation of Capitalists. TUFoC doesn’t appear to collect embassies for the hell of it. I’m not seeing whatever context you’re seeing.

There’s no good reason for a moderate Right region to have an embassy with a Nazi region whose leaders embrace Nazism for realz, and who ditched any pretense of an anti-Communist focus long ago. Nazi Europa’s mission statement: Nazi Europa is dedicated to political education on matters such as National Socialism and the varying degrees of Fascism

From the ashes of a powerful organisation rises a league of aligned nations with new capabilities, the likes of which the world has yet to be see.

Can you identify NURight’s military commanders and any of their successful ops?

[McChimp]

Jesus, Woodhouse, give them some time before you condemn them as inactive.

[Captain Woodhouse]

Jesus, Woodhouse, give them some time before you condemn them as inactive.

It's been five+ years since I participated in a fledgling Libertatem anti-communist op. Libertatem's point thought defenders wouldn't notice when they moved to a commie region hours before update. Moderate right military gameplay hasn't evolved much in all that time.

The moderate Right has tried and failed repeatedly to form a force against the despicable and weak ideology that is communism and leftism. It's one thing to hit bitty fascist regions that defenders won't touch. It's quite another to take down leftist regions monitored by defenders. It's not just TRF and friends NURight will be battling on the field.

I'd love for NURight to deliver the goods, but I'm not going to apologize for doubting their ability to do so. For starters, they claim to be rising 'from the ashes of a powerful organisation' that never existed.

I'm hardly the only one questioning NURight's claims that they have the right stuff this time.

Considering the massive failures and embarrassments on the part of NSRight, what exactly are you going to do/already doing differently to revitalize/unify the NationStates right-wing community?
Given you've decided to recycle most of the old branding.

Infernia has asked the same question twice now. It remains unanswered.

NURight should have no problem answering the what’s different? Q or any of my questions. I don't know who is convinced or impressed by carts before horses and tell-not show.

[New Tampa]

Libertatem joining NURight was pushed in right before senate elections. It required a 3/5 'Aye' vote in the senate to join, which it got.
Now, we have a new senate. In order to repeal the treaty a 4/5 'Aye' is required, which it hasn't gotten.

The region is severely split on our membership, mainly due to Kaiserreich's painfully obvious and known fascist history, and the fact that the organization itself is weak, and gives us no benefit at all.

You should pay attention to this poll. (Which is the opinion of the region on our status as a member
https://www.nationstates.net/page=poll/p=107816

[Hatterleigh]

Hmm ok but do u have the original 1978 copy of the Star Wars Holiday Special?

[Caelapes]

I don't know who is convinced or impressed by carts before horses and tell-not show.

The same people who were impressed by Anticom and the NSRight.

The NSLeft is successful in what we do because we forged cooperation through action and mutual respect, and from that action came the formalization of our relationships as the "NSLeft." The right somehow thinks that, if they establish a treaty based on piss-poorly fighting a common enemy, people will care about it.

That's not how diplomacy or interregional relationships work, and it's already falling apart at the seams with a founding member expelled and another founding member's senate being thrown into disagreements because of a very vocal faction pushing to withdraw over the membership of yet another founding member.

[Cresenthia]

[*]Each region uses embassies for a different purpose. NURight is only planning to open embassies with member regions for instance, but other regions open embassies with everyone they can find. Again, context is important.

Wow, K-REICH is finally axing their NE embassy. Whatever thumbscrews were applied to them should be used on your other founding member region holding an NE embassy: The United Federation of Capitalists. TUFoC doesn’t appear to collect embassies for the hell of it. I’m not seeing whatever context you’re seeing.

There’s no good reason for a moderate Right region to have an embassy with a Nazi region whose leaders embrace Nazism for realz, and who ditched any pretense of an anti-Communist focus long ago. Nazi Europa’s mission statement: Nazi Europa is dedicated to political education on matters such as National Socialism and the varying degrees of Fascism

As Foreign Minister of Kaiserreich, I can answer this one. The embassy predated my time as Foreign Minister, and I was told it was due to the Anti-Comintern Pact. Since that Pact for all purposes no longer exists, being supplanted by Yukki and NURight, I closed the embassy, no communist thumbscrews involved.

[Syberis]

Wow, K-REICH is finally axing their NE embassy. Whatever thumbscrews were applied to them should be used on your other founding member region holding an NE embassy: The United Federation of Capitalists. TUFoC doesn’t appear to collect embassies for the hell of it. I’m not seeing whatever context you’re seeing.

There’s no good reason for a moderate Right region to have an embassy with a Nazi region whose leaders embrace Nazism for realz, and who ditched any pretense of an anti-Communist focus long ago. Nazi Europa’s mission statement: Nazi Europa is dedicated to political education on matters such as National Socialism and the varying degrees of Fascism

As Foreign Minister of Kaiserreich, I can answer this one. The embassy predated my time as Foreign Minister, and I was told it was due to the Anti-Comintern Pact. Since that Pact for all purposes no longer exists, being supplanted by Yukki and NURight, I closed the embassy, no communist thumbscrews involved.

Okay, and about the repurposed Nazi party posters in your dispatches?

[Cresenthia]

As Foreign Minister of Kaiserreich, I can answer this one. The embassy predated my time as Foreign Minister, and I was told it was due to the Anti-Comintern Pact. Since that Pact for all purposes no longer exists, being supplanted by Yukki and NURight, I closed the embassy, no communist thumbscrews involved.

Okay, and about the repurposed Nazi party posters in your dispatches?

I messaged the new Minister of Propaganda. Now go pester him about it, and stop beating the rotten corpse of this horse.

[Syberis]

I'm more than willing to stop bringing it up when it stops being true, and it's recognized by the region and addressed in any reasonable way. The current stance of the region to utterly ignore these statements over the span of several months is an awful look for you.

It's almost like there's some reason why you wouldn't want to remove Nazi propaganda.

[Altino]

Okay, and about the repurposed Nazi party posters in your dispatches?

I messaged the new Minister of Propaganda. Now go pester him about it, and stop beating the rotten corpse of this horse.

If you're truly opposed to it, you're only a few button clicks away from unpinning the dispatch from your WFE. It seems far more likely that rather than being actually opposed to the Nazi propaganda there, you've just come to find the stigma that it's slapped onto your region inconvenient. If I were in a fascist region and suddenly decided that I was very anti-fascism, I wouldn't sit around twiddling my thumbs for months hoping that my Propaganda guy would eventually get around to taking down the offending content. I would take quick action to remove the Dispatch entirely and probably the Propaganda guy too, since he was so clearly fond of keeping the Nazis around. But I guess it's hard to get rid of the Nazi-loving Propaganda guy when it's your Nazi-loving founder who created those Dispatches in the first place and he ultimately decides the direction of your region.

Not so much a dead horse there as it is just a very poor attempt to convince us all that you've made a great turnaround when that's plainly not the case.

[Consular]

Okay, and about the repurposed Nazi party posters in your dispatches?

I messaged the new Minister of Propaganda. Now go pester him about it, and stop beating the rotten corpse of this horse.

The Foreign Minister would rather we pester the internal officials of his region directly rather than do diplomacy with him?

[Cresenthia]

I messaged the new Minister of Propaganda. Now go pester him about it, and stop beating the rotten corpse of this horse.

If you're truly opposed to it, you're only a few button clicks away from unpinning the dispatch from your WFE. It seems far more likely that rather than being actually opposed to the Nazi propaganda there, you've just come to find the stigma that it's slapped onto your region inconvenient. If I were in a fascist region and suddenly decided that I was very anti-fascism, I wouldn't sit around twiddling my thumbs for months hoping that my Propaganda guy would eventually get around to taking down the offending content. I would take quick action to remove the Dispatch entirely and probably the Propaganda guy too, since he was so clearly fond of keeping the Nazis around. But I guess it's hard to get rid of the Nazi-loving Propaganda guy when it's your Nazi-loving founder who created those Dispatches in the first place and he ultimately decides the direction of your region.

Not so much a dead horse there as it is just a very poor attempt to convince us all that you've made a great turnaround when that's plainly not the case.

I don't actually have the RO authority required to pin or unpin dispatches. Sorry about that being unable to play the narrative you want here, but that's reality.

I messaged the new Minister of Propaganda. Now go pester him about it, and stop beating the rotten corpse of this horse.

The Foreign Minister would rather we pester the internal officials of his region directly rather than do diplomacy with him?

On further reflection, I probably shouldn't have used those words. But to be entirely frank (and probably mis-use a reference), it's neither my department whether the rockets go up, or where they come down. I'm just cleanup.

[Altino]

If you're truly opposed to it, you're only a few button clicks away from unpinning the dispatch from your WFE. It seems far more likely that rather than being actually opposed to the Nazi propaganda there, you've just come to find the stigma that it's slapped onto your region inconvenient. If I were in a fascist region and suddenly decided that I was very anti-fascism, I wouldn't sit around twiddling my thumbs for months hoping that my Propaganda guy would eventually get around to taking down the offending content. I would take quick action to remove the Dispatch entirely and probably the Propaganda guy too, since he was so clearly fond of keeping the Nazis around. But I guess it's hard to get rid of the Nazi-loving Propaganda guy when it's your Nazi-loving founder who created those Dispatches in the first place and he ultimately decides the direction of your region.

Not so much a dead horse there as it is just a very poor attempt to convince us all that you've made a great turnaround when that's plainly not the case.

I don't actually have the RO authority required to pin or unpin dispatches. Sorry about that being unable to play the narrative you want here, but that's reality.

Your Founder can. :) Or your Minister of Propaganda. Or your Minister of Role-Play. They've all been online just today, so we know that they're active. Why don't you go and give them a little poke? Or ask your Founder to just give you the permission to do it - you've got every other RO privilege that he can possibly give you, surely he can trust you to fairly pin/unpin dispatches and not screw up the WFE if he can trust you with Border Control. But again, maybe he just wants the propaganda there. He did create it, after all. And seems unwilling to change it.

[Kurnugia]

stumbles in the thread

Well, let us see what NSRight 2 Electric Boogaloo has done...

Kicked one Region and let another be raided in just about two weeks after this thread was founded by six sailors of TRF. The latter seems to have retired permanently.

This is the third anticommunist alliance I've seen in just two years being on NS. Of course in the tradition of all trilogies, this is probably the worst one ever made (of course it depends on interpretation as a comedy I'll give it a 10/10).

However, credit is due where it is. NUright has some unique Achievements:

1. a structural integrity of a Jenga tower in the late game
2. a silence that only monasteries could rival
3. a waiting list for entry so big it is as empty as the one for getting a house in the noman's land
4. a military so unsuccessful no sh1tty memes about the French military could describe it.

With all those incredible achievements I can understand why so many lefties are scared.

[Verlzonia]

Everyday the little socialist part of me shrinks, as I see the prosperity of America and the West through Democracy & Capitalism. It's going at double the speed now.