The Kemetic Chronicle ~ Osirian ConCon in Chaos

[Kylia Quilor]

Are we really going to do that thing where we pretend the Queen of Balder isn't a politically powerful position? Again??

Yes. Because that's how laws and government work. Just as the Supreme Chancellery in Europeia has minimal political power, or the Queen of England has minimal political power.

Things I say can more or less be taken as statements on behalf of Kantrias, because as Head of Government and Head of the Council of State in my capacity as Queen, I have primary influence in the crafting of Kantrian policy, something Rach doesn't really have for Balder.

[Kylia Quilor]

Because Glen has more political power in the various positions he's held when people are criticizing him then Rach does in Balder? Oh, wait, we've pointed that out before.

Ah, yes, my power as interim chair is manifold!

I don’t even care about Rach. What I find the most delicious bit of hypocrisy is the many, many, many... MANY times y’all have literally supported coups in TSP and outright said I should be banned, and yet tensiest little suggestion that maybe the problem with your region is the people at the top and they should be replaced, and bam it’s time to overreact and scream from the rooftops about advocating coups.

Never mind that Adytus and NK also quite literally chummed together about plans to infiltrate TSP (among other GCRs), plant sleepers, and manipulate their politics to be pro-Osiris. That’s just a joke, right? Nothing foul there!

W/e. That’s the company you want to keep and defend, Kylia, that’s your choice.

I’m laughing at all this because, back when I learned about NK’s infiltration fantasies, I wanted to proscribe Osiris too. So Cormac’s just doing the job I couldn’t get done in TSP (so much for my political power, eh?), just for a dumber reason. But ya, gift horses and all!

I'm not talking about now, I'm talking about previous instances, such as your tenure as MoFA.

[Consular]

Are we really going to do that thing where we pretend the Queen of Balder isn't a politically powerful position? Again??

Yes. Because that's how laws and government work. Just as the Supreme Chancellery in Europeia has minimal political power, or the Queen of England has minimal political power.

Things I say can more or less be taken as statements on behalf of Kantrias, because as Head of Government and Head of the Council of State in my capacity as Queen, I have primary influence in the crafting of Kantrian policy, something Rach doesn't really have for Balder.

Yeah we're familiar with the argument. Thing is -- as WAD, all power is hers to give. Everything else is just paper. We've been through this many a time though. I gotta say -- It must be nice to be conveniently freed from responsibility for your own words and actions, despite holding all the power in the region.

[Cormactopia Prime]

Yes. Because that's how laws and government work. Just as the Supreme Chancellery in Europeia has minimal political power, or the Queen of England has minimal political power.

Things I say can more or less be taken as statements on behalf of Kantrias, because as Head of Government and Head of the Council of State in my capacity as Queen, I have primary influence in the crafting of Kantrian policy, something Rach doesn't really have for Balder.

Yeah we're familiar with the argument. Thing is -- as WAD, all power is hers to give. Everything else is just paper. We've been through this many a time though. I gotta say -- It must be nice to be conveniently freed from responsibility for your own words and actions, despite holding all the power in the region.

That argument is still inconsistent. HEM is Europeia's Founder, and all power is his to give -- do you believe his every word speaks for Europeia?

[Glen-Rhodes]

I'm not talking about now, I'm talking about previous instances, such as your tenure as MoFA.

Last time I was MoFA was 1.5 years ago. Anyways, this whole convo is about Osiris being over-dramatic about something I said 24 hours ago, attributing my post as the whole stance of TSP and saying it's proof positive of TSP's enmity. So..... you're definitely talking about "now."

Btw, it's kinda funny that my words are outrageous, but you literally say TSP should be destroyed and nobody bats an eye. Almost as if TSP isn't the aggressor is this year-long saga!

[Cormactopia Prime]

Btw, it's kinda funny that my words are outrageous, but you literally say TSP should be destroyed and nobody bats an eye. Almost as if TSP isn't the aggressor is this year-long saga!

Given that it's not actually possible to nuke a region from orbit, I think it's safe to say that was, y'know, a joke.

I wouldn't say TSP is necessarily an aggressor in most cases (Lazarus excepted), but antagonist is a different matter. TSP regularly antagonizes regions that aren't in its sphere, a sphere that has been shrinking for quite a while. It's no surprise regions are finally taking tougher action. It's worth noting that none of the regions you regularly antagonize have actually engaged in aggression against TSP, as you've implied.

[Glen-Rhodes]

If it’s not possible to physically nuke a region out of orbit, then it’s not possible to physically throw you and NK out of Osiris, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

English language, nothing matters

[Cormactopia Prime]

If it’s not possible to physically nuke a region out of orbit, then it’s not possible to physically throw you and NK out of Osiris, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

English language, nothing matters

"Nuke _____ from orbit" is a common joke derived from the movie Aliens. I don't think Kylia was being at all serious, given that she has repeatedly stated her opposition to Feeder and Sinker coups throughout her NationStates career. You, on the other hand, have a record of supporting purges and such under the right circumstances, i.e., when those who disagree with your ideology are the ones being purged. Like the people you want ousted in Osiris.

[Glen-Rhodes]

Omg you are truly the best Cormac

I don’t know if anybody can top this. We should all pack our bags and go home, the game’s been won!

[Tim-Opolis]

You know the game has stepped it up when people are heading over to TV Tropes for their GP Commentary.

[Solorni]

You know the game has stepped it up when people are heading over to TV Tropes for their GP Commentary.

Aliens is a movie

[Todd McCloud]

You know the game has stepped it up when people are heading over to TV Tropes for their GP Commentary.

Aliens is a movie

Well to be fair I think I did see it on TV once or twice.

[McChimp]

You know the game has stepped it up when people are heading over to TV Tropes for their GP Commentary.

What's this sound people keep making? Someone says something and they make this awful racket. It's a bit like crying but without the sadness or tears. Maybe this is laughter: maybe they're making jokes. It can't be. Surely not.

[Kylia Quilor]

I'm not talking about now, I'm talking about previous instances, such as your tenure as MoFA.

Last time I was MoFA was 1.5 years ago. Anyways, this whole convo is about Osiris being over-dramatic about something I said 24 hours ago, attributing my post as the whole stance of TSP and saying it's proof positive of TSP's enmity. So..... you're definitely talking about "now."

Btw, it's kinda funny that my words are outrageous, but you literally say TSP should be destroyed and nobody bats an eye. Almost as if TSP isn't the aggressor is this year-long saga!

If TSP wants to boycott relations with Kantrias or proscribe Kantrias (or me) over the comment, I'd accept that as fair. I mean, It was, as Cormac says, a joke, but it would be fair. I mean, it's not as if I or Kantrias hold any real good feeling towards TSP or towards you. Kantrias has no interest in, you know, attacking you, because Kantrias has no interest in GCR drama... ever. The day Kantrias backs a coup in a GCR or even signs a treaty of alliance with a GCR is the day that I'm not the Queen or the Crown has lost all political power.

But yes, you could take that into account if you wanted.

@Rach: TV Tropes as a website refers to "tropes", - conceptual figures of speech that refer to common storytelling devices and things - or common in books, movies, games, comics, TV shows, et cetera. So Aliens being a movie has no impact on TV Tropes's ability to be a resource about it.

[Tananat]

NS Gameplay seems to be much more like a playground than a political simulation. IRL nations wouldn't proscribe another nation on the words of one of their officials - but playground kids will certainly ostracise other children.

[Canton Empire]

NS Gameplay seems to be much more like a playground than a political simulation. IRL nations wouldn't proscribe another nation on the words of one of their officials - but playground kids will certainly ostracise other children.

Osiris always reacted more than we think needed when confronted with questions about their sovereignty, and with good reason.

[Kylia Quilor]

NS Gameplay seems to be much more like a playground than a political simulation. IRL nations wouldn't proscribe another nation on the words of one of their officials - but playground kids will certainly ostracise other children.

Depends on the context, what was said, who said it, etc, and there's no real equivalent of proscription IRL as it works in NS.

If Trump, or say, Speaker Ryan tells France they need to violently overthrow their leadership... well, yeah, I think France might react.

[Tim-Opolis]

You know the game has stepped it up when people are heading over to TV Tropes for their GP Commentary.

Aliens is a movie

It's a good thing TV Tropes exists for both television and film then, isn't it?

[Unibot III]

The day Kantrias [...] even signs a treaty of alliance with a GCR is the day that I'm not the Queen or the Crown has lost all political power.

Kantrias did have a treaty with TSP though...

[Kylia Quilor]

The day Kantrias [...] even signs a treaty of alliance with a GCR is the day that I'm not the Queen or the Crown has lost all political power.

Kantrias did have a treaty with TSP though...

Yes, back when I still had an ounce of belief that getting involved in GCR politics was useful for a UCR region.

GCR politics is a gaping black hole of attention and focus, and UCRs as a whole should not waste their time trying to sway them one way or the other or getting involved in their drama. People who want to play GCRs, go there, but UCR governments as a whole, IMO, should generally avoid the GCRs. Been a view of mine since I came back at the beginning of the year, and honestly, I was halfway there by late 2013.

The treaty with TSP was made in the aftermath of the MiloTrollcoup, and as we both know, never amounted to much.

[Escade]

NS Gameplay seems to be much more like a playground than a political simulation. IRL nations wouldn't proscribe another nation on the words of one of their officials - but playground kids will certainly ostracise other children.

Yes, it seems that certain elements of NSGP takes political inspiration from the middle school playground. Of course in real life, we do have Trump in power now and he certainly wishes to use Twitter to bait and egg on other nations. However, before him most presidents had a certain element of class or finesse. I suppose the bored though must manufacture drama. All the other things one could be doing, building a community etc and this is what is important. The goal is to .... create activity...? Hmm...now I see why that continues to be a problem.

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The idea that an NS government official doesn't represent a region, especially when they hold power that does in fact not only influence the policies of the region but also go forth on Discords and such to actually promote those policies speak to the double standards and doublespeak. Orwellian much. I can respect people who at least have some principles and standards but when you have none then you're not very different from the unscrupulous despots. Hell, even the Mean Girls have rules. They understand principles.

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Anyway, on to topic - I hope Osiris is able to sort out its internal issues in a manner that doesn't bring too much strife or sadness to members. I always remember Sev and Xor's Osiris fondly.

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And TVTropes lol what a fun site. #Lampshade Hanging

[Unibot III]

Kantrias did have a treaty with TSP though...

Yes, back when I still had an ounce of belief that getting involved in GCR politics was useful for a UCR region.

GCR politics is a gaping black hole of attention and focus, and UCRs as a whole should not waste their time trying to sway them one way or the other or getting involved in their drama. People who want to play GCRs, go there, but UCR governments as a whole, IMO, should generally avoid the GCRs. Been a view of mine since I came back at the beginning of the year, and honestly, I was halfway there by late 2013.

The treaty with TSP was made in the aftermath of the MiloTrollcoup, and as we both know, never amounted to much.

There are some particular cases where GCRs like to almost “toy” and “test the boundaries” with newfound partners to the extent that they can feel more like a frenemy than an ally. When they’re a bit more mature than that, however, I would just say the dividends of your relationship reflect the commitments you make in them.

[Consular]

Yeah we're familiar with the argument. Thing is -- as WAD, all power is hers to give. Everything else is just paper. We've been through this many a time though. I gotta say -- It must be nice to be conveniently freed from responsibility for your own words and actions, despite holding all the power in the region.

That argument is still inconsistent. HEM is Europeia's Founder, and all power is his to give -- do you believe his every word speaks for Europeia?

Yes. He should consider that his words reflect on Europeia.

How is the argument inconsistent?

Btw, it's kinda funny that my words are outrageous, but you literally say TSP should be destroyed and nobody bats an eye. Almost as if TSP isn't the aggressor is this year-long saga!

Given that it's not actually possible to nuke a region from orbit, I think it's safe to say that was, y'know, a joke.

Haven't you heard? Jokes are taken very seriously these days.

[Cormactopia Prime]

I suppose the bored though must manufacture drama. All the other things one could be doing, building a community etc and this is what is important. The goal is to .... create activity...? Hmm...now I see why that continues to be a problem.

Part of building a community is having a constitution that works for the community. Activity is a problem in Sinkers because we have low activity populations in comparison to Feeders. Why it's a problem in the South Pacific, a Feeder, is anyone's guess.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

Yes, it seems that certain elements of NSGP takes political inspiration from the middle school playground. Of course in real life, we do have Trump in power now and he certainly wishes to use Twitter to bait and egg on other nations. However, before him most presidents had a certain element of class or finesse. I suppose the bored though must manufacture drama.

Glad to see TSP is recognizing the type of politics it leads the field in, even if I cannot personally support it.