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GREECE REFOUND: Refound reversed due to WA cheating.

Postby Reploid Productions » Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:06 pm

With apologies to the rule-abiding players and natives who put in their time and effort to refound Greece, I unfortunately have to be the bearer of extremely bad news.

Something didn't feel quite right about the refound, and the ensuing investigation proved that vibe correct. The region was refounded via cheating. Yodle aka refounder nation Crump was discovered to be controlling several WA nations to gather the influence necessary to empty the region, attempting to evade the cheat detector by going to what appears to be rather great lengths; at the time the cheating was discovered, Yodle was controlling 4 active WA accounts, with evidence that there were other such pilers that have since CTEd. Since the refound was accomplished via cheating, the illegally-gained foundership cannot be permitted to stand.

As such, the following actions have been taken after discussion among the team:
-Nation "Crump" is deleted for cheating to refound the region.
-User Yodle is barred from the World Assembly for one year.
-Region Greece's foundership is being rolled back to its pre-cheating status and reverted to the previous founder Yauna.

Once again, I am really sorry to everyone else who was involved and participated in a rule-abiding manner, and to the natives who have been looking for a refound for years now. But it cannot be allowed to happen via the blatant cheating of the system by the refound's point man.

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Postby Dysmastan » Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:13 pm

All questions aside regarding how this could've been done, I wish the players luck getting their region back to working order.

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Postby Wordy » Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:18 pm

That is actually rather horrible for the region. Is there any chance of rebuilding the history / RMB that was lost during the refound process?
Also any nations ejected from the region prior to the refound will have lost influence.
A terrible outcome for the region after such a turbulent history.
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Postby Reploid Productions » Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:21 pm

Wordy wrote:That is actually rather horrible for the region. Is there any chance of rebuilding the history / RMB that was lost during the refound process?
Also any nations ejected from the region prior to the refound will have lost influence.
A terrible outcome for the region after such a turbulent history.

Unfortunately, doing a full rollback would require a lot of techie fiddling that potentially breaks stuff. >_<
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Postby Wordy » Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:27 pm

Understood......thanks for taking action Reppy. An unpleasant task for you but it needed to be done.
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Postby Tim-Opolis » Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:34 pm

No surprise. Something felt fishy about the entire way he pulled it off.

Why people keep trying to cheat in R/D is beyond me. It's pathetic.
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Postby Queen Yuno » Wed Oct 11, 2017 11:42 pm

Tim-Opolis wrote:No surprise. Something felt fishy about the entire way he pulled it off.

Why people keep trying to cheat in R/D is beyond me. It's pathetic.


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Postby Pollaetorian » Thu Oct 12, 2017 12:03 am

*sigh*

Egg on my face

And I defended them so strongly in the other thread too.
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Postby Reploid Productions » Thu Oct 12, 2017 12:05 am

Pollaetorian wrote:*sigh*

Egg on my face

And I defended them so strongly in the other thread too.

Hey, you had no way to know what was up behind the scenes. I rather suspect nobody did, even his friends involved in the attempt. =/
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Postby Willania Imperium » Thu Oct 12, 2017 12:10 am

What a shocking thing to hear. I'm sorry to hear the news and wish the players quick work in getting their region back in order.

Tim-Opolis wrote:No surprise. Something felt fishy about the entire way he pulled it off.

Why people keep trying to cheat in R/D is beyond me. It's pathetic.


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Postby The Greatest Bestest Nation » Thu Oct 12, 2017 4:07 am

Unfortunate to hear that people are willing to cheat, simply to achieve their aims in an online game. This really sucks for the natives, too, which is even worse.

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Pollaetorian wrote:*sigh*

Egg on my face

And I defended them so strongly in the other thread too.

Hey, you had no way to know what was up behind the scenes. I rather suspect nobody did, even his friends involved in the attempt. =/


Yeah, I don't think any of us knew about it.
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Postby Comlogical UDSAF » Thu Oct 12, 2017 5:09 am

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Postby America the Greater » Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:18 am

It's been a real disappointment seeing this go down. Best wishes to the affected nations of Greece.

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Postby Solorni » Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:38 am

Darn, looks like they really slipped on Greece.
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Postby Altino » Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:59 am

Yikes. That's a tough blow. You're never doing anyone any favors by cheating in R/D.
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Postby Bringsix » Thu Oct 12, 2017 7:45 am

Tim-Opolis wrote:No surprise. Something felt fishy about the entire way he pulled it off.

Why people keep trying to cheat in R/D is beyond me. It's pathetic.


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Postby Unibot III » Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:42 am

Gah, this is heartbreaking. Greece is probably one of the worst cases of grieving in NS History.
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Postby Marilyn Manson Freaks » Thu Oct 12, 2017 2:26 pm

That is unfortunate.

It's sad they had to cheat.
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Postby Fauxia » Thu Oct 12, 2017 4:55 pm

Marilyn Manson Freaks wrote:That is unfortunate.

It's sad they had to cheat.
This.

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Postby Consular » Thu Oct 12, 2017 9:01 pm

Maybe we should ask why they cheated?

Why did they feel pushed to the point where cheating was their best option?

Not that I'm saying that excuses the cheating because it does not, but I think it's worth thinking about.

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Postby Tim-Opolis » Fri Oct 13, 2017 12:55 am

Consular wrote:Maybe we should ask why they cheated?

Why did they feel pushed to the point where cheating was their best option?

Not that I'm saying that excuses the cheating because it does not, but I think it's worth thinking about.

From what I hear on the grapevine, it was literally him wanting to do it faster and believing that he wouldn't get caught, paired with some faux intellectualism. Here's the logs:

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[5:36 PM] Apollo: Because I wanted to quicken up our timetable since the mission was so important and I was confident I did it in a way which would let me just do it for Greece and not get caught
[5:37 PM] Apollo: In heinsight that is
[5:37 PM] Apollo: It's not like I don't realize I made a mistake
[5:38 PM] Apollo: I just have a methodology of doing things that makes me think of how to do things as fast and as efficiently as possible, especially when everyone pulled out support from Greece
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Postby Pollaetorian » Fri Oct 13, 2017 1:48 am

Consular wrote:Maybe we should ask why they cheated?

Why did they feel pushed to the point where cheating was their best option?

Not that I'm saying that excuses the cheating because it does not, but I think it's worth thinking about.


Cause people think Greece should be for Greeks, unable to to accept NS != RL and in this alternartive universe Greece are Persians and Brazil is inhabited by olive skinned Macedonians.
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Postby America the Greater » Fri Oct 13, 2017 6:11 am

Tim-Opolis wrote:From what I hear on the grapevine, it was literally him wanting to do it faster and believing that he wouldn't get caught, paired with some faux intellectualism. Here's the logs:

Apollo's the name he used in Elysian Fields before they removed him earlier today. Shout out to the person who hit me up with that choice segment, you're the real MVP.

[5:36 PM] Apollo: Because I wanted to quicken up our timetable since the mission was so important and I was confident I did it in a way which would let me just do it for Greece and not get caught
[5:37 PM] Apollo: In heinsight that is
[5:37 PM] Apollo: It's not like I don't realize I made a mistake
[5:38 PM] Apollo: I just have a methodology of doing things that makes me think of how to do things as fast and as efficiently as possible, especially when everyone pulled out support from Greece

It was simply misguided idealism. He wanted the mission done and to help out the natives, and he lost sight of how defending should really be carried out. Knowing Yodle as I do, it won't happen again.

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Postby Lord Ravenclaw » Fri Oct 13, 2017 9:15 am

Cheating is never the way forward regardless of where you stand on the GP Spectrum. I hope they've learned their lesson from this.
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Postby Pharoahs Haven » Fri Oct 13, 2017 9:19 am

Whats worse is that The Elysian Fields have it listed as a victory.

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