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Postby Vadia » Wed Mar 21, 2018 1:41 pm

McChimp wrote:Did that image really need posting a third time? Could it not at least have been spoilered?


Well, we are still losing our shit over the reality of what happened.

E-V wrote:
Escade wrote:So TWP and Balder and a few randoms are all that remains to support the LWU coup of Lazarus. The majority of respected GP seems to think its a travesty when userites purge and coup a GCR, wait former GCR now that it's been accurately designated as a pitiful warzone.

It's an embarrassment that The South Pacific has regressed to the point that her policies are dictated by userites who not only are hypocritical to their supposed beliefs toward GCR sovereignty, but are also being piloted by their own backhanded agendas.


But what is the UCR that is controlling them? Huh? You got names?
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Postby The Church of Satan » Wed Mar 21, 2018 1:56 pm

Vadia wrote:But what is the UCR that is controlling them? Huh? You got names?

They don't have to name names because it's a conspiracy. We just have to take it at face value because why the hell not? :p
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Postby Of The Toads » Wed Mar 21, 2018 2:02 pm

The Church of Satan wrote:
Vadia wrote:But what is the UCR that is controlling them? Huh? You got names?

They don't have to name names because it's a conspiracy. We just have to take it at face value because why the hell not? :p


You meannnn like that deep state!!! Oh noes.

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Postby Indo 3 » Wed Mar 21, 2018 2:07 pm

The Church of Satan wrote:
Vadia wrote:But what is the UCR that is controlling them? Huh? You got names?

They don't have to name names because it's a conspiracy. We just have to take it at face value because why the hell not? :p

Warzone Lazarus secretly controls all GCR's.

*x-files theme*

(Why am I posting on a switcher)
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Postby Horsell11 » Wed Mar 21, 2018 2:36 pm

Indo 3 wrote:(Why am I posting on a switcher)

Tsk, posting on a switcher. I'd never do that.
Rookie mistake.

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Postby Aclion » Wed Mar 21, 2018 2:54 pm

McChimp wrote:Did that image really need posting a third time? Could it not at least have been spoilered?

This is an intervention. We'll continue showing it until you come back to us.
A popular Government, without popular information, or the means of acquiring it, is but a Prologue to a Farce or a Tragedy; or, perhaps both. - James Madison.

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Postby Vadia » Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:06 pm

Aclion wrote:
McChimp wrote:Did that image really need posting a third time? Could it not at least have been spoilered?

This is an intervention. We'll continue showing it until you come back to us.


>Says org isn't other org
>Spent some time with first org's flag up for second org
>Wonders why people spam picture
>Refuses to admit they lied
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Postby Killer Kitty » Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:11 pm

Vadia wrote:>Says org isn't other org
>Spent some time with first org's flag up for second org
>Wonders why people spam picture
>Refuses to admit they lied


All I see are the symbols of Wolfism, my angry defender friend.

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Postby Indo-Malaysia » Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:26 pm

Killer Kitty wrote:
Vadia wrote:>Says org isn't other org
>Spent some time with first org's flag up for second org
>Wonders why people spam picture
>Refuses to admit they lied


All I see are the symbols of Wolfism, my angry defender friend.

The ideology made by the founder of Lone Wolves United, who just so happens to be in the Coup Triad?
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Postby McChimp » Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:27 pm

This thread has finally come crashing off its circular rails and plowed straight into a sewage plant.

We all know that the only obstacle to TGW hegemony in TSP is the more extreme moralist subversive resident there.
'YOU HAVE TO START OUT LEARNING TO BELIEVE THE LITTLE LIES.
"So we can believe the big ones?"
YES. JUSTICE. MERCY. DUTY. THAT SORT OF THING.
"They're not the same at all!"
YOU THINK SO? THEN TAKE THE UNIVERSE AND GRIND IT DOWN TO THE FINEST POWDER AND SIEVE IT THROUGH THE FINEST SIEVE AND THEN SHOW ME ONE ATOM OF JUSTICE, ONE MOLECULE OF MERCY. AND YET—Death waved a hand. AND YET YOU ACT AS IF THERE IS SOME IDEAL ORDER IN THE WORLD, AS IF THERE IS SOME...SOME RIGHTNESS IN THE UNIVERSE BY WHICH IT MAY BE JUDGED.' - Hogfather, Terry Pratchett.

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Postby Lord Dominator » Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:31 pm

McChimp wrote:This thread has finally come crashing off its circular rails and plowed straight into a sewage plant.

We all know that the only obstacle to TGW hegemony in TSP is the more extreme moralist subversive resident there.

Only a sewage factory? Coulda sworn I aimed it through a saltshaker factory...

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Postby Indo-Malaysia » Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:33 pm

McChimp wrote:This thread has finally come crashing off its circular rails and plowed straight into a sewage plant.

We all know that the only obstacle to TGW hegemony in TSP is the more extreme moralist subversive resident there.

True or not, it's incredibly ironic that such accusations are made almost exclusively by the LWU hegemony in Lazarus.

But I guess subversion is fine if your a raider.
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Postby Vadia » Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:39 pm

Killer Kitty wrote:
Vadia wrote:>Says org isn't other org
>Spent some time with first org's flag up for second org
>Wonders why people spam picture
>Refuses to admit they lied


All I see are the symbols of Wolfism, my angry defender friend.


So Wolfism had the exact same banner as TWU for days? Why is that?

You got an answer?
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Postby Escade » Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:50 pm

Oh the little scavenger trying to be a big bad wolf and his little pets barking in tune. TSP is my home region and every attempt to subvert it has seen TSPers response (as well you would know personally, wouldn't some of you):

Image

Back on topic, though. I'm still annoyed at userite scavengers presenting themselves as anything but. By their fruits shall you know them. This is a brief moment when they revealed:

Escade wrote:
Roavin wrote:
Let's remind everone what Lazarus looked like a few days ago:
(Image)


Image

So TWP and Balder and a few randoms are all that remains to support the LWU coup of Lazarus. The majority of respected GP seems to think its a travesty when userites purge and coup a GCR, wait former GCR now that it's been accurately designated as a pitiful warzone.


Oh my lovely men and women of honor, arguing with the LWU supporters is boring. Let's talk more interesting things. For example, what steps can a region take to protect itself from the userite influence? Then, how do you judge a region that helps to prop up a userite group?
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Postby McChimp » Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:53 pm

Seriously, is that the fourth or fifth time we've been subjected to that picture unspoilered? The imagespam is real.
It really does not take that much thought or effort to just spoiler anything that takes up any significant height on people's screens.
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'YOU HAVE TO START OUT LEARNING TO BELIEVE THE LITTLE LIES.
"So we can believe the big ones?"
YES. JUSTICE. MERCY. DUTY. THAT SORT OF THING.
"They're not the same at all!"
YOU THINK SO? THEN TAKE THE UNIVERSE AND GRIND IT DOWN TO THE FINEST POWDER AND SIEVE IT THROUGH THE FINEST SIEVE AND THEN SHOW ME ONE ATOM OF JUSTICE, ONE MOLECULE OF MERCY. AND YET—Death waved a hand. AND YET YOU ACT AS IF THERE IS SOME IDEAL ORDER IN THE WORLD, AS IF THERE IS SOME...SOME RIGHTNESS IN THE UNIVERSE BY WHICH IT MAY BE JUDGED.' - Hogfather, Terry Pratchett.

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Postby Escade » Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:05 pm

McChimp wrote:This thread has finally come crashing off its circular rails and plowed straight into a sewage plant.

We all know that the only obstacle to TGW hegemony in TSP is the more extreme moralist subversive resident there.



McChimp wrote:Seriously, is that the fourth or fifth time we've been subjected to that picture unspoilered? The imagespam is real.
It really does not take that much thought or effort to just spoiler anything that takes up any significant height on people's screens.


Oh if only that image wasn't significant evidence that you, as an LWU supporter, weren't attempting to deny.

Or course any credibility you have as a player was lost the minute you tried to said "no u r" in response to clear, hard evidence about actual userite subversion. Your group has tried very hard to make defenders seem like the bogeyman while you up and purged and couped a former sinker and are still supporting the LWU through a lot of flailing.

I guess what sucks for you is that only two regions actually are still trying hard to justify their involvement. Actually possibly only one, the other might just be trying to save face. I always think its better to cut ties before you end up with someone else's debt on your lap.
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Postby Aclion » Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:10 pm

This whole thing makes me sort of skeptical of the UCR/GCR division. Granted I wasn't around when that became a thing. But i'm here right now, and right now I see a UCR taking over a GCR yes, but I see them doing with the military support of the other sinkers as well as other GCRs. I also see UCRs(and GCRs) supporting the original government and attempting to thwart the takeover. And I also see plenty of GCRs and UCRs that had close ties to the region, active militaries and still chose to stand and watch instead of help.

I think the lesson here is don't install subversives in your government, and don't form alliances with fair weather friends.
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Postby Killer Kitty » Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:12 pm

Vadia wrote:So Wolfism had the exact same banner as LWU for days? Why is that?


Why does Communism use the same branding for all its flags? It's distinctive. But no one called Vietnam, China, and the USSR the same county.

Obvious, after half a day of flying the Wolfist standard we felt the need to come up with a new Wolfist flag unique to the Lazarus Khanate. I can understand your initial confusion, but now it just seems like you're trying to make a mountain out of a molehill.

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Postby Indo-Malaysia » Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:17 pm

Killer Kitty wrote:
Vadia wrote:So Wolfism had the exact same banner as LWU for days? Why is that?


Why does Communism use the same branding for all its flags? It's distinctive. But no one called Vietnam, China, and the USSR the same county.

Obvious, after half a day of flying the Wolfist standard we felt the need to come up with a new Wolfist flag unique to the Lazarus Khanate. I can understand your initial confusion, but now it just seems like you're trying to make a mountain out of a molehill.

Explain why the WFE said Lazarus Wolves United and how most of the regional officers are LWU members.

Your defender subversion argument is heavily hypocritical, as the government in Lazarus might as well just be LWU.
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Postby McChimp » Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:23 pm

Escade wrote:Oh if only that image wasn't significant evidence that you, as an LWU supporter, weren't attempting to deny.

Or course any credibility you have as a player was lost the minute you tried to said "no u r" in response to clear, hard evidence about actual userite subversion. Your group has tried very hard to make defenders seem like the bogeyman while you up and purged and couped a former sinker and are still supporting the LWU through a lot of flailing.

I guess what sucks for you is that only two regions actually are still trying hard to justify their involvement. Actually possibly only one, the other might just be trying to save face. I always think its better to cut ties before you end up with someone else's debt on your lap.


Posting an image multiple times does not increase the strength of the argument it supports.

I'm not in Lazarus or it's discord server anymore because of the TRR thing.

In IC terms, I think that the whole francoist "userite" thing is a bunch of buzzwords. If you're looking for real struggle, it can be found between the defenders and the raiders. Wolfist Lazarus is raider inclined largely in the same way TSP is defender inclined. How it ended up like that seems rather unimportant. You seem rather desperate to present raiders as "bogeymen" yourself. You ever try just playing the game as a game? Or are you going to start telling me about how raiders are nasty and how they destroy communities?

"I always think its better to cut ties before you end up with someone else's debt on your lap"-this coming from someone who used to go on and on about honouring treaty agreements. Doesn't this boil down to cutting your friends loose before they become a burden?
'YOU HAVE TO START OUT LEARNING TO BELIEVE THE LITTLE LIES.
"So we can believe the big ones?"
YES. JUSTICE. MERCY. DUTY. THAT SORT OF THING.
"They're not the same at all!"
YOU THINK SO? THEN TAKE THE UNIVERSE AND GRIND IT DOWN TO THE FINEST POWDER AND SIEVE IT THROUGH THE FINEST SIEVE AND THEN SHOW ME ONE ATOM OF JUSTICE, ONE MOLECULE OF MERCY. AND YET—Death waved a hand. AND YET YOU ACT AS IF THERE IS SOME IDEAL ORDER IN THE WORLD, AS IF THERE IS SOME...SOME RIGHTNESS IN THE UNIVERSE BY WHICH IT MAY BE JUDGED.' - Hogfather, Terry Pratchett.

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Postby Killer Kitty » Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:29 pm

Indo-Malaysia wrote:Explain why the WFE said Lazarus Wolves United


I already answered your question several pages ago in this very thread. Your just needlessly repeating questions now.

Indo-Malaysia wrote:how most of the regional officers are LWU members.


Because most of them were elected officials from the now defunct Celestial Union government. I guess be angry at the voters of Lazarus?

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Postby Indo-Malaysia » Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:32 pm

Killer Kitty wrote:
Indo-Malaysia wrote:Explain why the WFE said Lazarus Wolves United


I already answered your question several pages ago in this very thread. Your just needlessly repeating questions now.

Indo-Malaysia wrote:how most of the regional officers are LWU members.


Because most of them were elected officials from the now defunct Celestial Union government. I guess be angry at the voters of Lazarus?

I do hope that LWU-occupied Lazarus at least has an election without fake natives or balder puppets.

:?
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Postby Killer Kitty » Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:36 pm

Indo-Malaysia wrote:I do hope that LWU-occupied Lazarus at least has an election without fake natives or balder puppets.

:?


What do you care? You only seem concerned with your own agenda. I am quite sure that if we had an election you'd be decrying it and screaming about how it wasn't really fair, or how all the "natives are fake" or how there was an inherent political climate, perpetuated by the Wolfist Revolution, that meant the outcome was essentially fixed anyway and choice is an illusion.

Get out of here with that false logic.

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Postby Indo-Malaysia » Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:40 pm

Killer Kitty wrote:
Indo-Malaysia wrote:I do hope that LWU-occupied Lazarus at least has an election without fake natives or balder puppets.

:?


What do you care? You only seem concerned with your own agenda. I am quite sure that if we had an election you'd be decrying it and screaming about how it wasn't really fair, or how all the "natives are fake" or how there was an inherent political climate, perpetuated by the Wolfist Revolution, that meant the outcome was essentially fixed anyway and choice is an illusion.

Get out of here with that false logic.

Or I could click a few buttons and look at who voted.

:roll:
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Postby RiderSyl » Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:53 pm

Escade wrote:
McChimp wrote:Seriously, is that the fourth or fifth time we've been subjected to that picture unspoilered? The imagespam is real.
It really does not take that much thought or effort to just spoiler anything that takes up any significant height on people's screens.


Oh if only that image wasn't significant evidence that you, as an LWU supporter, weren't attempting to deny.


No matter what the image is, y'all need to stop spamming it unspoilered
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