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Posted: **Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:06 pm**

Vadia wrote:
Sarakart wrote:As frustrating as it can feel, it's not clear to me why LWU would actually cop or admit to it when they rely on the native population's endorsements and support.

They converse with local figures like Tubbius and work hard to present themselves internally on the RMB as a native force. Yes, it can seem obvious to people here, but that doesn't really matter when it comes to Lazarus' internal politics. I don't think it's just a matter of trolling, either- saying they're invaders is tantamount to surrendering any claim they have to being the legitimate integrated leaders of Lazarus. If they were in a position to do so independently, sure, but they do actually need the support of the region because they don't have 300 pilers backing them, even if they have allied support. It doesn't even matter if a few dozen natives withdraw support- they just need enough of the natives to back them, and the ones who speak up loudly enough are suppressed on the RMB and eventually banjected.

But if literally no one in Lazarus backs them then they're making their delegacy harder to hold for no particular gain to themselves except to assuage their opposition, which would want to replace them regardless.

Considering how many natives they banned, I don't think they really need a lot of native support or have it. Natives come and go, natives get purged, natives don't even join the WA.

Overall, I don't they they need native support.

Sure, but even if they didn't need the support of one native they wouldn't gain anything from admitting it.

Posted: **Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:14 pm**

What about bragging points and two whole regions to recruit members from? Isn't raiding all about doing something and then showing off?

"Look, we fly this banner and this message on this dead region, look at us!"

"We crashed this region and now it's gone, look at us!"

"We got inside this impossible to get place, look at us!"

Anyone who buys what lies they are telling, is going to believe that LWU is weak and isn't capable of taking Lazarus, that's it's barely relevant on any level.

Meanwhile, this "completely different" "wolfish group" is "brand new" and thus has no experience. The Founding Fathers of the US, had tons of previous governments to point to as a foundation for their government.

"Look at this new thing we made, it's based off these three other really good governments, so it's totally going to work like theirs did."

On top of that, it makes Funk look like he tried to get people to like his undead theme, flag, and movement; but people thought it was boring so he quit in disgrace.

That's how it looks to anyone who buys the lies.

Posted: **Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:55 pm**

Davelands wrote:
Roavin wrote:Please point to the part of my post where I stated that.

Actually, let me save you the trouble - You can't. Don't put words in my mouth. I could care less if you're raiders, defenders, reverse presbyterian goat-cheese aficionados, gay, straight, libertarian, republican, communist, christian, buddhist, NatSov, IntFed, or anything else. You've taken Lazarus in the name of your UCR and started purging anything that didn't immediately play the part of your non-native-imposed agenda. If Vinny did the same in the name of TGW, I'd complain just as much.

"There is a war there, initiated by LWU using, essentially, sleeper tactics to get into power."

Where does that, in any way, contradict what I've said?

Killer Kitty wrote:
Roavin wrote:Please point to the part of my post where I stated that.

You claimed that those in control of the Khanate of Lazarus are long term sleepers, "essentially". The implication of that thought process is very telling indeed.

I said what I said. Any implications are baseless and entirely yours. Will you remind the audience how you came to be in Lazarus in the first place?

Killer Kitty wrote:
Roavin wrote:You've taken Lazarus in the name of your UCR and started purging anything that didn't immediately play the part of your non-native-imposed agenda.

Funny...I don't remember Lone Wolves United ever calming to have taken Lazarus. Did I miss a dispatch or an article? Would you please point out where you're getting your information from?

This has already been addressed elsewhere, but the whole duck argument applies. And it's markedly different from...

Lord Dominator wrote:And the TBH flag has flown over assorted GCRs at various points, including by Syberis when they gained the Osiris delegacy. Doesn't mean those regions are owned by TBH

Syberis himself flew an adaptation of the TBH flag for a while, after a flag poll where that flag won. Syberis did not restructure Osiris as, essentially, a hawk colony. If he had, he would have gotten in trouble - and rightly so!

Let's remind everone what Lazarus looked like a few days ago:

Also - of course they wouldn't outright claim it as LWU and of course they'd call everyone in opposition "defenders". They want Balder's support, afterall.

Posted: **Tue Mar 20, 2018 1:08 am**

I wonder if they realise that soon everyone is going to be pissednat them for raider subvertism?

Long live the Independents! (Is Independent subvertism a thing?)

Posted: **Tue Mar 20, 2018 4:24 am**

Indo-Malaysia wrote:I wonder if they realise that soon everyone is going to be pissednat them for raider subvertism?

Long live the Independents! (Is Independent subvertism a thing?)

If you wanna smear someone, yes

Posted: **Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:03 pm**

I've sent the following telegram to WA nations in Lazarus endorsing Aleister. Unsurprisingly, I've been ejected and banned for sending it.

I apologize to the native community of Lazarus -- and to the Rejected Realms, which has been slandered by the Lone Wolves United regime -- for ever supporting this regime last summer. If I can be of any help to the resistance, I'm only a telegram away. For what it's worth, I never actually supported the LWU takeover that began recently, and I was only pretending to for the purpose of infiltration. Roavin can confirm that, as I told him at the very beginning that my support for them wasn't genuine. In light of recent events, I can't keep up the pretense anymore, but I don't think it will be necessary. LWU will lose Lazarus, and everyone supporting their regime, because of their own vile behavior. If I can assist with that in any way, please let me know.

I urge Balder, Osiris, and the West Pacific, among others, to withdraw any support for this vile regime. Continued support for them will be a blemish on the credibility and reputation of your regions. They've crossed OOC lines now that should make your choice here very simple, and very quick.

Greetings %NATION%!

I'm writing to ask you to withdraw your endorsements from Aleister, Killer Kitty, Imkiville, Delescluze, Chef Big Dog, and Chodean Kal.

As many of you know, last summer members of this group overthrew the legitimate, constitutional government of Lazarus, known at the time as the Celestial Union. Unlike many, I believed they were trying to do the right thing for Lazarus and I supported them. Now they have done it again, overthrowing a constitutional government they established in favor of making Lazarus a colony of the notorious invader region Lone Wolves United, which has been condemned by the World Assembly Security Council. Lone Wolves United intends to use Lazarus as nothing more than a recruiting tool for their invader military so that they can recruit Lazarenes to join Lone Wolves United and help them invade other innocent regions. After ejecting and banning many dedicated longtime natives like Harmoneia and Aumelodia last summer, they're at it again, ejecting and banning Courlany, Aflana, and other Lazarene natives. Lone Wolves United has no regard at all for the native population of Lazarus and will eject and ban anyone who opposes their invader regime.

On top of all that, Lone Wolves United is smearing and slandering longtime allies of Lazarus. The Rejected Realms, Lazarus' oldest ally, has consistently opposed what Lone Wolves United is doing to Lazarus. Lone Wolves United has recently retaliated by falsely accusing the Rejected Realms of defending fascists and Nazis due to a difference in opinion regarding a recent Security Council resolution. This vile behavior on the part of Lone Wolves United has rendered them even more unfit to govern Lazarus, and I would encourage those who are deployed here with foreign military forces to seriously consider whether this is a regime they want to support.

I regret that I supported this regime last summer. I will support them no longer. I hope you'll join me, %NATION%, in standing up to Lone Wolves United by withdrawing your endorsements from Aleister, Killer Kitty, Imkiville, Delescluze, Chef Big Dog, and Chodean Kal.

Regards,

Cormactopia Prime

Posted: **Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:12 pm**

lol
RIP LWU

Posted: **Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:15 pm**

Queen Yuno wrote:lol
RIP LWU

I just can't handle the heat of the Grill anymore.

Posted: **Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:27 pm**

LWU took over. And I guess, if defenders have a problem with that, they can try and liberate it somehow. But I'm a raider, so I think that LWU did a good job. :clap:

I guess the point I'm trying to make is that the lazarus scandals are just going to keep happening until the government is stabilized. If that happens under LWU, good for them. If it takes another 8 coups, then that's fine as well.

Posted: **Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:38 pm**

The Honest Wolfist wrote:-snip-

Who's even behind that puppet? Evil Wolf? Funk? Or are you just one of the noobs inhaling all of the propaganda? Because if you are the latter then believe me when I say that you don't know shit about what happened back when the legitimate government of Lazarus was overthrown by the very people you remain so blindly loyal to. Having fought against them myself (and served as a member of two prior legitimate Lazarene governments ) when it happened I can honestly say that the only people having committed any crime are the founders of your dictatorial regime that you just love so much. So do everyone a favor (yourself included) and just remain quiet while the adults talk, okay?

Posted: **Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:42 pm**

The Church of Satan wrote:
The Honest Wolfist wrote:-snip-

Who's even behind that puppet? Evil Wolf? Funk? Or are you just one of the noobs inhaling all of the propaganda? Because if you are the latter then believe me when I say that you don't know shit about what happened back when the legitimate government of Lazarus was overthrown by the very people you remain so blindly loyal to. Having fought against them myself (and served as a member of two prior legitimate Lazarene governments ) when it happened I can honestly say that the only people having committed any crime are the founders of your dictatorial regime that you just love so much. So do everyone a favor (yourself included) and just remain quiet while the adults talk, okay?

This ridiculous condescension is exactly why the natives of Lazarus want nothing to do with you.

Posted: **Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:52 pm**

Aav Verinhall wrote:LWU took over. And I guess, if defenders have a problem with that, they can try and liberate it somehow. But I'm a raider, so I think that LWU did a good job.

I guess the point I'm trying to make is that the lazarus scandals are just going to keep happening until the government is stabilized. If that happens under LWU, good for them. If it takes another 8 coups, then that's fine as well.

Ohh boy, here we go.
The pushback just now isn't because Laz is raider, or because it's LWU-run.
It's because the regime in charge decided to implicitly charge TRR with being fash over not supporting the recent SC stuff, and laughing it pff as 'IC'
Be careful about blindly adhering to one side of the r/d divide. There are unpleasant people on both ends, as the propaganda attempts on LWU's part prove.

Posted: **Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:55 pm**

Devi Vytherin wrote:It's because the regime in charge decided to implicitly charge TRR with being fash over not supporting the recent SC stuff

If you had actually read the article, it was questioning TRR's position because they have the founder of a fascist region in their cabinet and voted against the liberation of that same region.

Posted: **Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:59 pm**

Delescluze wrote:[it was questioning TRR's position because they have the founder of a fascist region in their cabinet and voted against the liberation of that same region.

Specifically the founder of KAISERREICH, and the proposal in question being "Liberate KAISERREICH", in case anyone forgot.

I guess pointing out a TRR Officer having prior connections to the region they founded, and how that might effect TRR's overall reaction on voting for the Liberation Proposal is now allowed for some strange reason? Can't talk about conflicts of interest?

Posted: **Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:02 pm**

Delescluze wrote:
Devi Vytherin wrote:It's because the regime in charge decided to implicitly charge TRR with being fash over not supporting the recent SC stuff

If you had actually read the article, it was questioning TRR's position because they have the founder of a fascist region in their cabinet and voted against the liberation of that same region.

Ignoring the second part because it's more or less a rehash of what I said, I'm surprised to hear that Constie is now fully in charge of what TRR does and how it votes :roll:

If we're taking past actions and positions into account, I'd like to question Laz's stance against defender subversion, having a former Warden-constable and an arch-chancellor of the FRA in positions of influence as it does.

Posted: **Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:07 pm**

I welcome the move by Cormac and must say, I am surprised to see he was able to effectively infiltrate Lazarus but am happy to see that he and I still agree on some things. Once again, those of you who are new to Lazarus, the overthrow was dramatic, horrid and completely ruined the native ruled government there. No matter what you may believe, the government that has been there since the establishment of the UDoL and now the KoL do not, and never have, cared about what you want.

Lazarus is not a place where you will find people who support you and want to see you succeed. It is not a place where you will find people who will listen to reforms you want. It is a place where you will find that dissent is silenced, any opposition is banjected, and rights are not just not protected, but don't exist. Any native who believes the Khanate of Lazarus will be a healthy region is being sorely misled and must realize that.

Lazarus is dead. And maybe, if we see the fault in it that exists today, it can rise once again rise like the Pheonix it is and become a beacon of rights, culture, democracy, activity, and, most importantly, acceptance.

Posted: **Tue Mar 20, 2018 9:13 pm**

Wow, they try and bark tough.. But I see cute little puppy wolves with their betas in tow.

The laz coup that both sides bumbled.. And now its making Ike look good.

Sad!

O Laz, where is thy sting? O Laz, where is thy victory?

Posted: **Wed Mar 21, 2018 12:07 am**

[quote="Cormactopia Prime";p="33684947"][/quote]

>The person who whon't stop fucking lying is now telling the truth

I'm a very very paranoid now! What in God's name is your angle!

This is hilarious. They put this up and then tried to hide it, likely in a panic!

Posted: **Wed Mar 21, 2018 1:00 am**

Aav Verinhall wrote:LWU took over. And I guess, if defenders have a problem with that, they can try and liberate it somehow. But I'm a raider, so I think that LWU did a good job.

I guess the point I'm trying to make is that the lazarus scandals are just going to keep happening until the government is stabilized. If that happens under LWU, good for them. If it takes another 8 coups, then that's fine as well.

Sorry, it wasn't LWU. It was three natives/sleepers who strangely enough just so happened to be in LWU.
The flag, the LWU WFE Tag? You must be seeing things.

:roll:

Posted: **Wed Mar 21, 2018 2:13 am**

I propose a toast,

To Lone Wolves United! For finally establishing dominance over Lazarus! A brilliant invasion by a most brilliant, determined set of the finest minds ever to find themselves here on NationStates! May their victory and their triumph over their foes always be remembered and go down in history as one of the most impressive feats ever accomplished! None could stand against them, and none shall stand against them, for they are superior to all others in every possible way! Resistance is futile, and all who oppose them shall fail miserably! All hail the new conquerors of Lazarus! May they reign over their spoils for all eternity, and may the sun never set on their grand region!

Throws glass of champagne out the window

Walks out of the room

Shuts door

Posted: **Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:42 am**

I voted for Liberate Kasierreich.

Posted: **Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:27 am**

Cormactopia Prime wrote:For what it's worth, I never actually supported the LWU takeover that began recently, and I was only pretending to for the purpose of infiltration.

#CMGPGA

Cormac Making Gameplay Great Again.

:hug:

Posted: **Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:14 am**

Delescluze wrote:This ridiculous condescension is exactly why the natives of Lazarus want nothing to do with you.

And who made that decision for them? It certainly wasn't the natives of Lazarus. Go ahead though and continue lying to everyone. Everyone but LWU's cult of personality knows you're lying.

Posted: **Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:15 am**

Canton Empire wrote:I voted for Liberate Kasierreich.

He did, indeed, vote FOR the resolution. I did some... *gasp* fact checking. I almost called him on his lie, since he isn't in the WA, but he proved that his WA Nation did vote FOR. So that kind of shoots the whole "TRR voted against 'cause Canton's bad an' stuff" in the foot. Good try, Lamb, et al. on spin.

Posted: **Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:44 am**

Severisen wrote:
Canton Empire wrote:I voted for Liberate Kasierreich.

He did, indeed, vote FOR the resolution. I did some... *gasp* fact checking. I almost called him on his lie, since he isn't in the WA, but he proved that his WA Nation did vote FOR. So that kind of shoots the whole "TRR voted against 'cause Canton's bad an' stuff" in the foot. Good try, Lamb, et al. on spin.

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