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by **The Church of Satan** » Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:10 am

Vadia wrote:-snip-

*sigh*

I know that's been done with for a while but I just want to clarify that the only thing I liked about the one post in that group I liked was liked for the empathy on the part of Uni. I suppressed two of those posts and as someone that has been bullied irl I do not nor have I ever supported or condoned bullying.

by **Devi Vytherin** » Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:33 am

Pergamon wrote:=snip=

1. If the point of intervening was to teach Topid a lesson, what value does the region have to the NPO, now that he has been removed? :roll:

2. I see your stance on that matter has changed, given that I recall it being brought up in the past, and explained away with the heavy implication that said maskings were given as a joke :^)

by **The Septimanian Marches** » Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:07 am

How unfortunate that the Pacific has disavowed Francoism in these times. Surely, no other ideology has carried it as far, but it is now being abandoned to embrace defender influences of those who would sell Pacifica for more influence. Gone are the days that The NPO could claim itself above the world, it is now no better than the rest of us.

by **Pergamon** » Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:13 am

Devi Vytherin wrote:
Pergamon wrote:=snip=

1. If the point of intervening was to teach Topid a lesson, what value does the region have to the NPO, now that he has been removed?

2. I see your stance on that matter has changed, given that I recall it being brought up in the past, and explained away with the heavy implication that said maskings were given as a joke :^)

1. I explained it already in my previous post. I am not repeating myself.

2. There were indeed troll applications, which were as much as a joke as the NPO applying to the ADN back in the day. Of course, the stance on that matter has changed, as we understood that there are several factions in this game which are even taking the most bizarre things seriously. Naturally so, the New Balder Order must be a reality for the people of this kind too. However, the No Fun Pacific Order does not foresee having fun in the future ever again. Thank you.

by **Galiantus III** » Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:20 am

The Septimanian Marches wrote:How unfortunate that the Pacific has disavowed Francoism in these times. Surely, no other ideology has carried it as far, but it is now being abandoned to embrace defender influences of those who would sell Pacifica for more influence. Gone are the days that The NPO could claim itself above the world, it is now no better than the rest of us.

Where has the Pacific "embraced defender influences"? The NPO regularly subjugate founderless UCRs to their control. They attack their enemies and protect their allies. If the NPO had their way, neither defenders nor raiders would control Lazarus. Just because they are against the current raider regime does not mean they support the idea of a defender one. The whole point is that the feeders should be independent of such influences.

by **Cormactopia Prime** » Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:24 am

Galiantus III wrote:If the NPO had their way, neither defenders nor raiders would control Lazarus.

That's true. If the NPO had their way, they would control Lazarus, which is what makes Pergamon's pontificating so hilarious and hypocritical.

by **Jar Wattinree** » Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:26 am

The Septimanian Marches wrote:How unfortunate that the Pacific has disavowed Francoism in these times. Surely, no other ideology has carried it as far, but it is now being abandoned to embrace defender influences of those who would sell Pacifica for more influence. Gone are the days that The NPO could claim itself above the world, it is now no better than the rest of us.

One does not have to subscribe to this R/D dichotomy most blindly claim is the only political structure in existence; there is a third side, overlooked, but still there.

by **McChimp** » Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:26 am

Pergamon wrote:It is impossible for a Pacific - and a UCR to be regarded on equal standing. For the Pacifics are the most powerful, most influential and most important Regions in the game. UCRs in friendly relations with the Feederite class, have to stay out of the GCR, have not to aspire rule over the GCR and have to contribute to the Feederite Cause, which St. Abbaddon did by agreeing to remove the counter revolutionary element of Topid. They have served the Pacific - very well. In the meritocratic prospect, with loyalty and service comes reward. Reward which is granted in form of protection.

Overtly patronising. I'd be rather angry if this were being said about me.

by **Pergamon** » Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:27 am

The Septimanian Marches wrote:How unfortunate that the Pacific has disavowed Francoism in these times. Surely, no other ideology has carried it as far, but it is now being abandoned to embrace defender influences of those who would sell Pacifica for more influence. Gone are the days that The NPO could claim itself above the world, it is now no better than the rest of us.

It's always nice to see game players hiding behind puppets. Nice to see this one restored. We haven't seen each other since last year.
However, can you please tell me how the New Pacific Order is defenderist?

What claims do you have to back it up? - The Legio Pacificus has conducted a whole lot of operations of which are most - in the R/D mechanical prospect: crash raids.
By your logic, can I now assume that gameplay UCRs like LWU or TBH are defenderist?

The Legio is a political army that serves the Feederite Cause alone, nothing else. It has destroyed regions which we regard as Error in the Game: Fascists, Rule-Breakers. It has punished those that dared to cross the Pacific. It deployed against Raiders that have insulted the Pacific. It deployed against Defenders that tried to protect counter-revolutionary Elements.

I cannot see where we have disavowed Francoism.
I can only see people that do not know what Francoism means, and that also do not know what Raiding means, nor Defending means anymore.

by **Cormactopia Prime** » Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:30 am

Pergamon wrote:I can only see people that do not know what Francoism means

That's because Francoism doesn't mean anything. It isn't a real ideology or set of principles, it's a framework that constantly changes according to the NPO's whims, to suit the NPO's imperialistic purposes. There is no such thing as Francoism, there is only the NPO's imperialist ambitions. Francoism is just a mask for it, and not a very good one at this point because the jig is up and everyone knows how absurd Francoism is. Nobody buys it anymore.

That's probably why better leaders of the NPO, like Pierconium, have shifted the NPO away from Francoism, only to have lesser figures bring it back.

by **Lord Dominator** » Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:31 am

Cormactopia Prime wrote:
Galiantus III wrote:If the NPO had their way, neither defenders nor raiders would control Lazarus.

That's true. If the NPO had their way, they would control Lazarus, which is what makes Pergamon's pontificating so hilarious and hypocritical.

Ah yes, that is rather true methinks

by **Galiantus III** » Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:35 am

Cormactopia Prime wrote:
Galiantus III wrote:If the NPO had their way, neither defenders nor raiders would control Lazarus.

That's true. If the NPO had their way, they would control Lazarus, which is what makes Pergamon's pontificating so hilarious and hypocritical.

NPO's preferences for Lazarus:

NPO occupation > Independent Lazarus = Some other feeder occupation > Anyone else in control (defenders, raiders, UCRs)

McChimp wrote:
Pergamon wrote:It is impossible for a Pacific - and a UCR to be regarded on equal standing. For the Pacifics are the most powerful, most influential and most important Regions in the game. UCRs in friendly relations with the Feederite class, have to stay out of the GCR, have not to aspire rule over the GCR and have to contribute to the Feederite Cause, which St. Abbaddon did by agreeing to remove the counter revolutionary element of Topid. They have served the Pacific - very well. In the meritocratic prospect, with loyalty and service comes reward. Reward which is granted in form of protection.

Overtly patronising. I'd be rather angry if this were being said about me.

I'm glad you pointed this out. I like where Perg has been going with this, but this whole "I am the center of the universe" routine is definitely out of line. Interregional relations go both ways.

by **Ikania** » Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:48 am

ITT: Non-Francoists tell Francoists what their ideology is and why they know it better than its adherents ever will.

by **Jar Wattinree** » Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:54 am

Ikania wrote:ITT: Non-Francoists tell Francoists what their ideology is and why they know it better than its adherents ever will.

This is true, and was repeated last summer, even. History never changes.

by **Indo-Malaysia** » Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:01 pm

Jar Wattinree wrote:
Ikania wrote:ITT: Non-Francoists tell Francoists what their ideology is and why they know it better than its adherents ever will.

This is true, and was repeated last summer, even. History never changes.

War, war never changes

by **Lord Dominator** » Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:04 pm

Jar Wattinree wrote:
Ikania wrote:ITT: Non-Francoists tell Francoists what their ideology is and why they know it better than its adherents ever will.

This is true, and was repeated last summer, even. History never changes.

Gameplay never changes

by **Vadia** » Wed Mar 14, 2018 12:44 pm

Lord Theoden wrote:Balder supports the sovereign and legitimate government of Lazarus in its right to self-governance and therefore its right to make these constitutional and thematic changes. This position reflects our treaty obligations to support the sovereign government of Lazarus. There can be no doubt over Balder's commitment to our treaty obligations. We oppose all hostile elements seeking to undermine Lazarus. We urge The South Pacific and other defender powers to abstain from interfering in the internal affairs of Lazarus.

>Calls 70-90% of the former goverment, most of the culture and RPers and memers; "The South Pacific and other defender powers"
>Calls takeover by LWU as "internal affairs of Lazarus"

The Church of Satan wrote:
Vadia wrote:-snip-

*sigh*

I know that's been done with for a while but I just want to clarify that the only thing I liked about the one post in that group I liked was liked for the empathy on the part of Uni. I suppressed two of those posts and as someone that has been bullied irl I do not nor have I ever supported or condoned bullying.

I had a saved TG that demonstrated someone was lying, and I wanted to use it because it was so funny as a reminder. We know you don't support harassment, that's your M.O, your persona, what you are known for. It's not like we all live in caves.

by **Lenlyvit** » Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:25 pm

Are we to assume that this is not indicative of the natives of Lazarus trying to choose a different way other than what LWU wants in Laz? I count 28 native endorsements dropped since the LWU change and counting, yet LWU has gained at least 7 TWPAF endos and other various endos probably from Osi and Balder, as indicated by Cormac endorsing Aleister. You are literally opposing the wishes of the native community who do not want to live under LWU rule, yet you say that if they want a change in government then you won't oppose them. You're opposing the native community......

(Not trying to stir up trouble, just posting statistics)

by **Vulturret** » Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:35 pm

Lenlyvit wrote:
5 minutes ago: NewLeaf withdrew its endorsement from Aleister.
24 minutes ago: Aegis-5 withdrew its endorsement from Aleister.
2 hours ago: Anaviosi withdrew its endorsement from Aleister.
3 hours ago: Kulmain withdrew its endorsement from Aleister.
4 hours ago: Leopiers withdrew its endorsement from Aleister.
7 hours ago: Sombrassino withdrew its endorsement from Aleister.
17 hours ago: CountryOfTrump withdrew its endorsement from Aleister.
20 hours ago: The Isfan Remnant withdrew its endorsement from Aleister.
20 hours ago: Aigania withdrew its endorsement from Aleister.
22 hours ago: The Viking Fjords withdrew its endorsement from Aleister.
23 hours ago: Prefrspizza withdrew its endorsement from Aleister.
1 day 1 hour ago: Amestrisian Empire withdrew its endorsement from Aleister.
1 day 1 hour ago: Wilhelmsborough withdrew its endorsement from Aleister.
1 day 1 hour ago: Lord Quadratus XVII withdrew its endorsement from Aleister.
1 day 2 hours ago: VichyFrance withdrew its endorsement from Aleister.
1 day 2 hours ago: Peoples Republic of Oprah withdrew its endorsement from Aleister.
1 day 3 hours ago: Jarlstead withdrew its endorsement from Aleister.
1 day 3 hours ago: Japengo withdrew its endorsement from Aleister.
1 day 3 hours ago: Rhuztovkia withdrew its endorsement from Aleister.
1 day 5 hours ago: Axixic withdrew its endorsement from Aleister.
1 day 6 hours ago: Protonovaria withdrew its endorsement from Aleister.
1 day 6 hours ago: StagedBark661 withdrew its endorsement from Aleister.
1 day 6 hours ago: Ambaniala withdrew its endorsement from Aleister.
1 day 8 hours ago: Isliocree withdrew its endorsement from Aleister.
1 day 9 hours ago: ZannEmpire withdrew its endorsement from Aleister.
1 day 10 hours ago: Malayas withdrew its endorsement from Aleister.
1 day 11 hours ago: Kroavia withdrew its endorsement from Aleister.
1 day 11 hours ago: The United Federations of Terra withdrew its endorsement from Aleister.

Are we to assume that this is not indicative of the natives of Lazarus trying to choose a different way other than what LWU wants in Laz? I count 28 native endorsements dropped since the LWU change and counting, yet LWU has gained at least 7 TWPAF endos and other various endos probably from Osi and Balder, as indicated by Cormac endorsing Aleister. You are literally opposing the wishes of the native community who do not want to live under LWU rule, yet you say that if they want a change in government then you won't oppose them. You're opposing the native community......

(Not trying to stir up trouble, just posting statistics)

Interesting. Now I want to go make some graphs.

by **Killer Kitty** » Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:37 pm

Lenlyvit wrote:[
Are we to assume that this is not indicative of the natives of Lazarus trying to choose a different way other than what LWU wants in Laz?

To be honest, and this is a radical idea I know, it probably has more to do with the unendorsement campaign being put out by defenders than anything else.

If I go into TSP and tell people to pull their endorsement of the Delegate and 15 or 20 do, does that mean TSP is ready for a Wolfist Revolution?

According to Lenlyvit, yes.

by **The Septimanian Marches** » Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:37 pm

You will notice, Lenlyvit, that a campaign was sent out by a defender subversive after the change of delegacy. This change in endorsements is a result of predatory defenderism that took place after a change of power, not unlike those who have tried to coup in the past. It seems to me that defenders think NS is a pay to play, making campaigns left and right which appeal to emotions as opposed to fact.

by **Sarakart** » Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:39 pm

What is defenderism? Is this an actual ideology or a pejorative term used in the endless agitprop wars of Gameplay?

by **Vadia** » Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:40 pm

Sarakart wrote:What is defenderism? Is this an actual ideology or a pejorative term used in the endless agitprop wars of Gameplay?

It's more of a slur.

The Septimanian Marches wrote:You will notice, Lenlyvit, that a campaign was sent out by a defender subversive after the change of delegacy. This change in endorsements is a result of predatory defenderism that took place after a change of power, not unlike those who have tried to coup in the past. It seems to me that defenders think NS is a pay to play, making campaigns left and right which appeal to emotions as opposed to fact.

Are you that guy who showed up, was brand new, was in Lazarus, which is a sinker...and you knew way too much about what was going on, and was posting lots of propaganda.

There was a guy like that, who kept disappearing and reappearing...WA pulled in and out a lot too...As if they had something else they needed to use their WA for.

by **Ikania** » Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:41 pm

So, essentially, what you're saying is the people of the region can't be trusted to make up their own mind and think critically. The ruling class clearly knows better.

Pathetic attempt at propaganda.

by **Lenlyvit** » Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:41 pm

No one is forcing them to withdraw their endos. No one is saying "if you don't withdraw your endo something really bad will happen to you". Their endo withdrawals are their choice ultimately.

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