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Postby Auralia » Wed Apr 25, 2018 11:07 am

TempestShadow wrote:
Auralia wrote:Lazarus presently has no theme or government.

Anarchy is both a theme and a government (or lack thereof) :p

Perhaps, but an inherently unstable one.
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Postby Cute Puppies » Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:24 pm

Auralia wrote:
TempestShadow wrote:Anarchy is both a theme and a government (or lack thereof) :p

Perhaps, but an inherently unstable one.


I would genuinely prefer a chaotic warzone over an invading Christian regime viciously campaigning for "God," and their offensive ideals. In the nation of Cute Dogs, there is no "God" - only Dog.

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Postby Gibraltarica » Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:26 pm

Cute Puppies wrote:
Auralia wrote:Perhaps, but an inherently unstable one.


I would genuinely prefer a chaotic warzone over an invading Christian regime viciously campaigning for "God," and their offensive ideals. In the nation of Cute Dogs, there is no "God" - only Dog.

Kek. I hope you realize not all christians are raiders.
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Postby Cute Puppies » Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:26 pm

Gibraltarica wrote:
Cute Puppies wrote:
I would genuinely prefer a chaotic warzone over an invading Christian regime viciously campaigning for "God," and their offensive ideals. In the nation of Cute Dogs, there is no "God" - only Dog.

Kek. I hope you realize not all christians are raiders.


I'm referring to the ones who are raiding Lazarus.

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Postby Gibraltarica » Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:33 pm

Cute Puppies wrote:
Gibraltarica wrote:Kek. I hope you realize not all christians are raiders.


I'm referring to the ones who are raiding Lazarus.

Hardly. Natives have the right to endorse whoever they want. They're no more raiding lazarus than Cormac.
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Postby Jar Wattinree » Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:54 pm

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Cute Puppies wrote:
I'm referring to the ones who are raiding Lazarus.

Hardly. Natives have the right to endorse whoever they want. They're no more raiding lazarus than Cormac.

At this point, is anyone really raiding Lazarus?
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Postby Lenlyvit » Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:55 pm

Cute Puppies wrote:
Gibraltarica wrote:Kek. I hope you realize not all christians are raiders.


I'm referring to the ones who are raiding Lazarus.

Lazarus is currently a Warzone and in Anarchy. I don't think anyone could be classified as raiding it rn
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Postby Cute Puppies » Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:59 pm

Gibraltarica wrote:
Cute Puppies wrote:
I'm referring to the ones who are raiding Lazarus.

Hardly. Natives have the right to endorse whoever they want. They're no more raiding lazarus than Cormac.

Christians occupying Lazarus for the sole purpose of making it their Christian minecraft server = "native"

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Postby Kurnugia » Wed Apr 25, 2018 1:37 pm

Cute Puppies wrote:
Auralia wrote:Perhaps, but an inherently unstable one.


I would genuinely prefer a chaotic warzone over an invading Christian regime viciously campaigning for "God," and their offensive ideals. In the nation of Cute Dogs, there is no "God" - only Dog.

Actually that would be kinda cool. As a RP thingy it would be really interesting.
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Postby Reploid Productions » Wed Apr 25, 2018 2:06 pm

So... if userite subversives are people from UCRs attempting to subvert GCRs to the benefit of their UCRs... so what term do we use for subversives who aren't subverting a region to benefit a UCR or Gameplay org and are instead doing it to benefit their religion? Religiorites? Faithites? Crusaderites?
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Wed Apr 25, 2018 2:08 pm

Reploid Productions wrote:So... if userite subversives are people from UCRs attempting to subvert GCRs to the benefit of their UCRs... so what term do we use for subversives who aren't subverting a region to benefit a UCR or Gameplay org and are instead doing it to benefit their religion? Religiorites? Faithites? Crusaderites?


Crusaiderites, when they invade other regions for it :)
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Postby United Massachusetts » Wed Apr 25, 2018 2:09 pm

Cute Puppies wrote:
Gibraltarica wrote:Hardly. Natives have the right to endorse whoever they want. They're no more raiding lazarus than Cormac.

Christians occupying Lazarus for the sole purpose of making it their Christian minecraft server = "native"

What your saying makes literally no sense, whatsoever. Let's clarify what the Christian camp proposes:
  • a haven for Christianity, alongside tolerance of those of other faiths
  • a democratic governing system, in which people of all faiths are allowed to participate
  • religious themes to the regional servers and forums
  • a neutral gameplay status focused predominantly on the defense of Christian regions
  • friendship and partnership with all interested GCRs

We hardly would call this a group of "angry Christian mobs trying to turn Lazarus into a Christian Minecraft server." All we want is a region that we can make our own niche, and our own home, at a time when, as you have perfectly demonstrated, we are being ridiculed everywhere without end, and every creation we build gets raided by militant communists. Is that too much to ask? It really does feel like the vehement opposition to our involvement is rather hypocritical, given that almost every other force, many of whom being supported by GCRs, are also trying to invade Lazarus. Why are they not getting assaulted like we are? This all really just appears to be anti-theism/militant atheism in disguise.

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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Apr 25, 2018 2:17 pm

United Massachusetts wrote:
Cute Puppies wrote:Christians occupying Lazarus for the sole purpose of making it their Christian minecraft server = "native"

What your saying makes literally no sense, whatsoever. Let's clarify what the Christian camp proposes:
  • a haven for Christianity, alongside tolerance of those of other faiths
  • a democratic governing system, in which people of all faiths are allowed to participate
  • religious themes to the regional servers and forums
  • a neutral gameplay status focused predominantly on the defense of Christian regions
  • friendship and partnership with all interested GCRs

The problem is that I don't see mass support for making Lazarus a Christian region, I just don't. I don't know of any native that would be willing to kowtow to the Christians.
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Postby Lazarene Pilgrimage » Wed Apr 25, 2018 2:19 pm

Reploid Productions wrote:So... if userite subversives are people from UCRs attempting to subvert GCRs to the benefit of their UCRs... so what term do we use for subversives who aren't subverting a region to benefit a UCR or Gameplay org and are instead doing it to benefit their religion? Religiorites? Faithites? Crusaderites?

We are merely going on a Pilgrimage to reclaim the Holy Land. Totally not a crusade. Let me let Pope Urban II explain:

Pope Urban II wrote:Whoever, therefore, shall determine upon this holy pilgrimage and shall make his vow to God to that effect and shall offer himself to Him as a, living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, shall wear the sign of the cross of the Lord on his forehead or on his breast. When,' truly',' having fulfilled his vow be wishes to return, let him place the cross on his back between his shoulders. Such, indeed, by the twofold action will fulfill the precept of the Lord, as He commands in the Gospel, "He that taketh not his cross and followeth after me, is not worthy of me."


:p

Disclaimer: I denounce and detest the crusades in full, and my choice is only for a RP theme for our involvement in Lazarus. Please know that a Christian Commonwealth of Lazarus will not tolerate any forms of religious hatred or violence, nor will we instigate acts of violence against people of other faiths.
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Postby Lazarene Pilgrimage » Wed Apr 25, 2018 2:20 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
United Massachusetts wrote:What your saying makes literally no sense, whatsoever. Let's clarify what the Christian camp proposes:
  • a haven for Christianity, alongside tolerance of those of other faiths
  • a democratic governing system, in which people of all faiths are allowed to participate
  • religious themes to the regional servers and forums
  • a neutral gameplay status focused predominantly on the defense of Christian regions
  • friendship and partnership with all interested GCRs

The problem is that I don't see mass support for making Lazarus a Christian region, I just don't. I don't know of any native that would be willing to kowtow to the Christians.

Many individuals have endorsed us, between myself and Lazarus of Bethany. Furthermore, there is significant support for a Christian/Biblical theme even on this forum. We believe that once word gets out, more will support our cause.

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Postby Tim-Opolis » Wed Apr 25, 2018 2:20 pm

United Massachusetts wrote:It really does feel like the vehement opposition to our involvement is rather hypocritical, given that almost every other force, many of whom being supported by GCRs, are also trying to invade Lazarus. Why are they not getting assaulted like we are? This all really just appears to be anti-theism/militant atheism in disguise.

Oh do stop playing the victim card. You're getting railed on because your plan is far from as inclusive as others (because no matter how you're painting it, you're trying to make a Christian region), is frankly boring as fuck, and you lot are basically the least qualified group (in terms of GP/Security/GCR experience) to actually run a GCR. For fucks sake, I'd support McMannia running the region before I'd back you folks.

Maybe you should start somewhere more your coalition's speed, like a Warzone.
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Postby Auralia » Wed Apr 25, 2018 2:21 pm

The New California Republic wrote:The problem is that I don't see mass support for making Lazarus a Christian region, I just don't. I don't know of any native that would be willing to kowtow to the Christians.

Aren't I a native under both our definitons? I was WA minister for a time under the PRL government, IIRC. I've also had a nation in Lazarus on and off for years.
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Postby PrussianEmpire » Wed Apr 25, 2018 2:28 pm

I haven't been on in two years and Lazarus is still drawing headlines. Ain't that something
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Postby Lazarene Pilgrimage » Wed Apr 25, 2018 2:30 pm

Tim-Opolis wrote:
United Massachusetts wrote:It really does feel like the vehement opposition to our involvement is rather hypocritical, given that almost every other force, many of whom being supported by GCRs, are also trying to invade Lazarus. Why are they not getting assaulted like we are? This all really just appears to be anti-theism/militant atheism in disguise.

Oh do stop playing the victim card. You're getting railed on because your plan is far from as inclusive as others (because no matter how you're painting it, you're trying to make a Christian region), is frankly boring as fuck, and you lot are basically the least qualified group (in terms of GP/Security/GCR experience) to actually run a GCR. For fucks sake, I'd support McMannia running the region before I'd back you folks.

Maybe you should start somewhere more your coalition's speed, like a Warzone.

Let me address each of these points, one by one:
  • Oh do stop playing the victim card: Do you have any response to the hypocrisy of many others, who oppose us solely for being Christian?
  • "far from as inclusive as others": We're literally just calling for Christians to have the means by which to defend themselves from attack and to create a place for religious folks to gather. Again, we will permit citizens of all faiths to involve themselves in Lazarus, so long as they're willing to respect the beliefs of our community.
  • "is frankly boring as fuck": Many would beg to differ, myself and Auralia included.
  • you lot are basically the least qualified group (in terms of GP/Security/GCR experience) to actually run a GCR": I will just point out that we have one of the most prolific authors in WA history and a tech whiz with involvements in several GCRs (Auralia), as well other people, among which include regional founders, military founders, GCR officers, etc. This just feels like the GP elite resisting the attempts of anyone else to join their ranks.

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Postby Tim-Opolis » Wed Apr 25, 2018 2:42 pm

Lazarene Pilgrimage wrote:Let me address each of these points, one by one:
  • Oh do stop playing the victim card: Do you have any response to the hypocrisy of many others, who oppose us solely for being Christian?
  • "far from as inclusive as others": We're literally just calling for Christians to have the means by which to defend themselves from attack and to create a place for religious folks to gather. Again, we will permit citizens of all faiths to involve themselves in Lazarus, so long as they're willing to respect the beliefs of our community.
  • "is frankly boring as fuck": Many would beg to differ, myself and Auralia included.
  • you lot are basically the least qualified group (in terms of GP/Security/GCR experience) to actually run a GCR": I will just point out that we have one of the most prolific authors in WA history and a tech whiz with involvements in several GCRs (Auralia), as well other people, among which include regional founders, military founders, GCR officers, etc. This just feels like the GP elite resisting the attempts of anyone else to join their ranks.


1. No, but I can assure you that the people who actually know what they're doing are writing you off for being incapable, GP unaware carpetbaggers, than anything regarding your belief system.
2. It sounds like an idea like that is a great concept for a User-Created Region, maybe you should go try that.
3. Good for you?
4. Being a WA Author doesn't mean shit in terms of of GP capability, and if you think it does then you're even more out of touch with reality than I thought you were. What experience does your faction have in GCR Security? What about GCR Delegacy? How about Post-Coup GCR Transition Experience? Do you have any extensive experience in Integration and Retention of people within a Sinker Region? Tell me about your experience in large-scale Sinker Endotarting prior to this past week. Face the facts. Anybody who's actually worth a damn is shitting on you for being one of the least qualified and capable movements in Lazarus, not because of the belief system you choose to live by.
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Postby United Massachusetts » Wed Apr 25, 2018 2:53 pm

Tim-Opolis wrote:
Lazarene Pilgrimage wrote:Let me address each of these points, one by one:
  • Oh do stop playing the victim card: Do you have any response to the hypocrisy of many others, who oppose us solely for being Christian?
  • "far from as inclusive as others": We're literally just calling for Christians to have the means by which to defend themselves from attack and to create a place for religious folks to gather. Again, we will permit citizens of all faiths to involve themselves in Lazarus, so long as they're willing to respect the beliefs of our community.
  • "is frankly boring as fuck": Many would beg to differ, myself and Auralia included.
  • you lot are basically the least qualified group (in terms of GP/Security/GCR experience) to actually run a GCR": I will just point out that we have one of the most prolific authors in WA history and a tech whiz with involvements in several GCRs (Auralia), as well other people, among which include regional founders, military founders, GCR officers, etc. This just feels like the GP elite resisting the attempts of anyone else to join their ranks.


1. No, but I can assure you that the people who actually know what they're doing are writing you off for being incapable, GP unaware carpetbaggers, than anything regarding your belief system.
2. It sounds like an idea like that is a great concept for a User-Created Region, maybe you should go try that.
3. Good for you?
4. Being a WA Author doesn't mean shit in terms of of GP capability, and if you think it does then you're even more out of touch with reality than I thought you were. What experience does your faction have in GCR Security? What about GCR Delegacy? How about Post-Coup GCR Transition Experience? Do you have any extensive experience in Integration and Retention of people within a Sinker Region? Tell me about your experience in large-scale Sinker Endotarting prior to this past week. Face the facts. Anybody who's actually worth a damn is shitting on you for being one of the least qualified and capable movements in Lazarus, not because of the belief system you choose to live by.

We understand that there are legitimate issues with such a region, but we believe these can be overcome with the assistance of those more experienced. We understand your concerns with our qualifications to run a GCR, but we seek to form a community of people interested in such a theme and build around them. Furthermore, I will again note that between the Christian community on NS, we have a significant amount of experience which I argue we can harness for good. Either way, fresh blood is needed, because the GP community at-large has failed Lazarus, leaving it now in a state of total anarchy--defenders failed to sustain the region, and LWU drove it into the ground. I urge everyone to at least give us a chance, if, that is, your only opposition is on experience grounds, like you claim. If not, my point is all the clearer.

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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Apr 25, 2018 2:54 pm

Auralia wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:The problem is that I don't see mass support for making Lazarus a Christian region, I just don't. I don't know of any native that would be willing to kowtow to the Christians.

Aren't I a native under both our definitons? I was WA minister for a time under the PRL government, IIRC. I've also had a nation in Lazarus on and off for years.

Are you currently in the region? No? Are you currently giving and receiving WA endorsements? No? Well then, the point is moot isn't it?
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Postby Cute Puppies » Wed Apr 25, 2018 2:55 pm

Lazarene Pilgrimage wrote:Let me address each of these points, one by one:
  • Oh do stop playing the victim card: Do you have any response to the hypocrisy of many others, who oppose us solely for being Christian?


Yes and no. Ynes.

Lazarene Pilgrimage wrote:
  • "far from as inclusive as others": We're literally just calling for Christians to have the means by which to defend themselves from attack and to create a place for religious folks to gather. Again, we will permit citizens of all faiths to involve themselves in Lazarus, so long as they're willing to respect the beliefs of our community.


You're annexing a region without the approval of the natives (unless you consider Auralia's skewed definition of a "native" to be true) to elevate the power and global influence of Christians.

Lazarene Pilgrimage wrote:
  • you lot are basically the least qualified group (in terms of GP/Security/GCR experience) to actually run a GCR": I will just point out that we have one of the most prolific authors in WA history and a tech whiz with involvements in several GCRs (Auralia), as well other people, among which include regional founders, military founders, GCR officers, etc. This just feels like the GP elite resisting the attempts of anyone else to join their ranks.

It's disturbing to see the only qualified person in your crusade to be Auralia, a nation who has a long history of non-compliance in the WA despite being "one of the most prolific authors in WA history" and attempted to self-commend himself by acting as a new WA nation, maliciously deceiving others, and giving a disingenuous apology after being caught. Although this incident was several years ago - though his noncompliance persists - it's not very reassuring to see this person as your only argument for why you are qualified to run a GCR.

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Postby Auralia » Wed Apr 25, 2018 3:07 pm

Cute Puppies wrote:...giving a disingenuous apology after being caught.

I wasn't sorry at the time, but my eventual apology was sincere. As a player, it was wrong for me to break the rules.

The New California Republic wrote:
Auralia wrote:Aren't I a native under both our definitons? I was WA minister for a time under the PRL government, IIRC. I've also had a nation in Lazarus on and off for years.

Are you currently in the region? No? Are you currently giving and receiving WA endorsements? No? Well then, the point is moot isn't it?

Yes, I am, actually...
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Postby The New California Republic » Wed Apr 25, 2018 3:11 pm

Auralia wrote:
Cute Puppies wrote:...giving a disingenuous apology after being caught.

I wasn't sorry at the time, but my eventual apology was sincere. As a player, it was wrong for me to break the rules.

The New California Republic wrote:Are you currently in the region? No? Are you currently giving and receiving WA endorsements? No? Well then, the point is moot isn't it?

Yes, I am, actually...

Uh huh. With a puppet.
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They're hoping soon, my kind will drop and die
But I'm going to wave my freak flag high
Wave on, wave on
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