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[Jar Wattinree]

Long time, no see! where've you been?

I don't post in gameplay much because of work and because I have decided to stay more as a spectator than a participant :v

Understandable.

[Vadia]

*grafts Yet Another Lazarus Thread onto the Megathread where it belongs*

Your tenacity on trying to keep them altogether is admirable... Heh...

Curiously enough, even when I considered that the NLO wasn't a good thing, and that I was part of the NPO leadership when that happened, I do think that Lazarus never had as much stability as when it was shadow-controlled by the NPO... Sad, isn't it?

I think LAZARUS needs its dignity. I think LAZARUS deserves to be TREATED and HANDLED like a GCR, and not like a tool or a toy, which is what has been happening for a couple years now...

Hello, are you speaking for yourself or TWP, which treats this Gee Cee Arr, as a Tee Oh Why.

[The New California Republic]

I obviously don't speak for NCR, but I wasn't under the impression that they were an avid supporter of the wolfist regime?

NCR was in Lazarus at the time of the coup and was told that he had to get his endorsements down to the cap (he was given several days to do so) in order to stay within the region. At one point he was even listed as one of the people to give endorsements to in order to fight the LWU, but he had declared neutrality in the whole affair and cooperated with them. But he didn't seem that happy about it.

Both of these statements are correct. I was under pressure to conform to each regime as it came along, mainly because I had such a high number of endorsements (4th or 3rd highest in the region, if I remember correctly?). Like I have said, I tried to stay neutral, but survival in the region meant I had to pay lip service occasionally. The alternative was getting ejected out of the region, which is exactly what happened to many others. I made it clear to the previous regimes that I had no aspirations regarding regional power, yet I was always seen as a threat.

As I have mentioned previously, I seriously considered defecting to the region of Gay, when I was under pressure to conform to what each regime wanted. I even drafted a telegram to be sent to the leaders of Gay, that I would have sent to them prior to my defection. I decided to remain in Lazarus however, as I assumed that LWU's grip on the region wouldn't last.

[St Thraben]

So, the officer St Traft that isn't in the WA is me, actually. But yes, the forces currently attempting to establish the New Lazerene Empire do consist entirely of TRI forces. But I urge those who immediately feel disgusted by the presence of raiders in a GCR to reconsider R/D ideology. We are attempting to establish a democracy for crying out loud! Not a raiderist regime. But if you look at it as a massive raid, then go ahead. But, if you think for a moment, and realize that this is essentially a stabilization mission in an unstable region, then maybe you'll understand why raiders are getting involved. We have the endorsements to create stability while an native government is installed. In the meantime, yes, raiders are holding officer positions in this order, but if we can look behind this, and realize that maybe GP teaming up to stabilize this region is a good thing, then maybe we'll get somewhere. Just sayin.

-Aav Verinhall

[Dr Mcmannia Whitehall]

I mean why else would we be pushing a constitution that gives control of the region to the people of the region, thats not exactly raiderist. Lazarus needs true democracy, we just think it should be one themed around the real order of saint lazarus.

[Frattastan II]

I mean why else would we be pushing a constitution that gives control of the region to the people of the region, thats not exactly raiderist. Lazarus needs true democracy

Where were you when Lazarus was a dead LWU colony run by four people as their plaything?
Your words are worthless now. No credibility.

[Dr Mcmannia Whitehall]

I mean why else would we be pushing a constitution that gives control of the region to the people of the region, thats not exactly raiderist. Lazarus needs true democracy

Where were you when Lazarus was a dead LWU colony run by four people as their plaything?
Your words are worthless now. No credibility.

In lazarus's official discord chat?

[Glacikaldr]

-snip- [he was a long boy so go scroll up instead]

Uh
I obviously don't speak for NCR, but I wasn't under the impression that they were an avid supporter of the wolfist regime?

An autocratic regime is not automatically equitable to the wolfist one, despite what your apparent fetish for democracy would have you believe. Cool the jets, just a little

That's fair, but if people are going to use this opportunity to slander democracy (somehow) by trying to pretend democracy is what has ruined Lazarus when it was clearly an autocratic occupation in the form of LWU banjection tyranny (if you were in TRR you would have been disturbed by how many Lazarene natives were being banned), then they can expect to be called out for their BS.

Keep in mind, the region that should - theoretically - be the most unstable GCR because it doesn't have any Border Control, is extremely stable in comparison to its sister GCR who requested and got Border Control added. Why? Well I attribute it to TRR's healthy democracy, and certainly not to us being a TRI colony for twelve hours in 2010.

[Hessere]

I liken the whole situation to a far more complex (stressing this) 18th century Spanish Succession.

[Lord Dominator]

Uh
I obviously don't speak for NCR, but I wasn't under the impression that they were an avid supporter of the wolfist regime?

An autocratic regime is not automatically equitable to the wolfist one, despite what your apparent fetish for democracy would have you believe. Cool the jets, just a little

That's fair, but if people are going to use this opportunity to slander democracy (somehow) by trying to pretend democracy is what has ruined Lazarus when it was clearly an autocratic occupation in the form of LWU banjection tyranny (if you were in TRR you would have been disturbed by how many Lazarene natives were being banned), then they can expect to be called out for their BS.

Keep in mind, the region that should - theoretically - be the most unstable GCR because it doesn't have any Border Control, is extremely stable in comparison to its sister GCR who requested and got Border Control added. Why? Well I attribute it to TRR's healthy democracy, and certainly not to us being a TRI colony for twelve hours in 2010.

That, and defenders will pile to high heaven if any actually serious coup should occur

[Gibraltarica]

That's fair, but if people are going to use this opportunity to slander democracy (somehow) by trying to pretend democracy is what has ruined Lazarus when it was clearly an autocratic occupation in the form of LWU banjection tyranny (if you were in TRR you would have been disturbed by how many Lazarene natives were being banned), then they can expect to be called out for their BS.

Keep in mind, the region that should - theoretically - be the most unstable GCR because it doesn't have any Border Control, is extremely stable in comparison to its sister GCR who requested and got Border Control added. Why? Well I attribute it to TRR's healthy democracy, and certainly not to us being a TRI colony for twelve hours in 2010.

That, and defenders will pile to high heaven if any actually serious coup should occur

This. The raids of TRR that have occurred have not turned into coups because of XKI's endorsement pulling capabilities.

[Treadwellia]

Scandal.

Well.

Hi folks.

Treadwellia here. Many of you might have gotten a telegram from me earlier giving my position and stake in things.

The abbreviated version? I'm the guy who makes the polls for the region. Many of you might know me as the fellow who writes the role-played RMB posts about the Tubbius family ("Mmph mmph!"). I've survived various turnovers in power thus far due to not throwing myself into the "game" as it is. I am currently the one remaining individual alongside Imkiville. My goal, should I reach delegate candidacy, is to do what I can to unify Lazarus around a solid, stable basis with the assistance of carefully vetted counsel.

Lazarus has been volatile and explosive long enough. The game deserves better than for one of its major game-created regions to be a potential zone of derision or a laughingstock. The game, its players, the region of Lazarus, and those who either reside or pass through Lazarus ALL deserve better for Lazarus than for it to see rapidly billowing change, than for it to be a zone that's more akin to waves slipping and flapping on a sea than to a resurrected man demonstrating the power of rebirth.

Anarchy won't last forever in Lazarus. I'm putting myself forth as a potential candidate for World Assembly delegation for Lazarus. All I can ask--other than for your patience, understanding, and aid in setting the region to careful rights--is your personal endorsement for the leadership of Lazarus.

It's not about ME.

It's about loyalty to the region and to those who choose to stay there.

It can be about you, but not just you--about you as a unified whole of Lazarus.

[Cormactopia Prime]

<snip>

Hi! A few questions, if you don't mind.

1. Do you intend to eject and ban Killer Kitty, et al.?

2. Are you going to convene a constitutional convention? If so, how will it be organized?

3. Either before a convention, or if you're not convening one, how will Lazarus be governed? Who will make decisions?

4. Are you going to appoint endorsees immediately after becoming Delegate so they can build influence? If so, who?

5. You've noted your lack of gameplay experience. Why do you think you're prepared to rebuild a Sinker damaged by a months-long coup?

Thanks!

[Treadwellia]

<snip>

Hi! A few questions, if you don't mind.

1. Do you intend to eject and ban Killer Kitty, et al.?

2. Are you going to convene a constitutional convention? If so, how will it be organized?

3. Either before a convention, or if you're not convening one, how will Lazarus be governed? Who will make decisions?

4. Are you going to appoint endorsees immediately after becoming Delegate so they can build influence? If so, who?

5. You've noted your lack of gameplay experience. Why do you think you're prepared to rebuild a Sinker damaged by a months-long coup?

Thanks!

It's been barely one day. I don't have the answers to these questions yet.

The best I can give you at the moment, sir, is to #5.

Why do I think I'm prepared?

To be quite brutally, bluntly honest, I'm not. It's been 27.5 hours since Imkiville took command, or thereabouts.

ANYONE who says he or she is at this stage is potentially openly and directly stating that he or she has had motions to control the region for some time and, thus, is susceptible to not being trusted. The sort of answers you're asking for cannot be created alone in 27.5 hours, while managing endorsements, vetting friendships, rustling up support, fielding requests for power and favors in six Lazarus-based Discord channels, and working to quell frustrations in the RMB and put out fires there.

We have to start somewhere.

Someone has to be a stabilizer for this. Lazarus has been damaged, as you say, not necessarily by any one individual moment, but by a succession of moments. We have to be prepared to take potentially an equal amount of moments for gradual repair. A firm foundation is a must, yes, but must be carefully thought through before implementation, and, upon implementation, then we can work toward the rebuilding of the channel.

It might take a considerable time. I don't know. It's like real life politics, in a way: the President doesn't hold exclusive, all-encompassing power like people think. Neither do his or her advisors. Neither does Congress. Neither do the courts. It's a group, unified effort, and if acknowledging my own weaknesses as an individual is a way to build the strength in the region on the whole while equally acknowledging my willingness to work toward that strength?

So be it.

I wish you the best of future, sir, and hope to see you commit to helping rebuild a weakened Lazarus that can rise again as its name implies.

[Ikania]

“The ancient Oracle said that I was the wisest of all the Greeks. It is because I alone, of all the Greeks, know that I know nothing.”

[Cormactopia Prime]

<snip>

I appreciate your candor.

That said, I'm going to have to press you on at least one of the questions. I understand if you don't have answers to some of the more complex questions like a constitutional convention, etc., just yet, but surely you can tell us upfront whether you intend to eject and ban Killer Kitty, et al.? That's really pretty vital information if you're asking people to make you the next Delegate of Lazarus, because many have strong feelings about it, and deserve to know whether they will be banned or allowed to remain in the region. It doesn't require much expertise, it just requires a yes or no.

Thanks again, and best of luck to you.

[Treadwellia]

<snip>

I appreciate your candor.

That said, I'm going to have to press you on at least one of the questions. I understand if you don't have answers to some of the more complex questions like a constitutional convention, etc., just yet, but surely you can tell us upfront whether you intend to eject and ban Killer Kitty, et al.? That's really pretty vital information if you're asking people to make you the next Delegate of Lazarus, because many have strong feelings about it, and deserve to know whether they will be banned or allowed to remain in the region. It doesn't require much expertise, it just requires a yes or no.

Thanks again, and best of luck to you.

Quite honestly, sir, NO ONE else has bothered asking me about it. For something that allegedly important, I'd think I would be getting asked much more frequently. Who I eject or ban, or if I eject or ban, and why I do or why I don't, is a matter of the future to be determined at that date and time, if I land the Delegacy, and only if then. If I don't, then it goes to the business of whoever wants to deal with a matter of the past, if he or she wishes to do so at all.

I know something of people's feelings on Lazarus, sir. I've been there for several years, now. I've seen situations come and go.

The focus should not be how to get revenge on specific individuals one feels slighted against. If those individuals can be channeled to newer and better ends, great. If they can't, that's on them. We'll see what goes down.

Now, I have classes to teach tomorrow, students to tutor, papers to grade, friends to see away from the computer, and family obligations to manage, all on top of all of this.

Look to the future, folks, when it comes to Lazarus, not where Lazarus has been. Lazarus can and will be much more than any one incident or person or singular small group.

[Gibraltarica]

I appreciate your candor.

That said, I'm going to have to press you on at least one of the questions. I understand if you don't have answers to some of the more complex questions like a constitutional convention, etc., just yet, but surely you can tell us upfront whether you intend to eject and ban Killer Kitty, et al.? That's really pretty vital information if you're asking people to make you the next Delegate of Lazarus, because many have strong feelings about it, and deserve to know whether they will be banned or allowed to remain in the region. It doesn't require much expertise, it just requires a yes or no.

Thanks again, and best of luck to you.

Quite honestly, sir, NO ONE else has bothered asking me about it. For something that allegedly important, I'd think I would be getting asked much more frequently. Who I eject or ban, or if I eject or ban, and why I do or why I don't, is a matter of the future to be determined at that date and time, if I land the Delegacy, and only if then. If I don't, then it goes to the business of whoever wants to deal with a matter of the past, if he or she wishes to do so at all.

I know something of people's feelings on Lazarus, sir. I've been there for several years, now. I've seen situations come and go.

The focus should not be how to get revenge on specific individuals one feels slighted against. If those individuals can be channeled to newer and better ends, great. If they can't, that's on them. We'll see what goes down.

Now, I have classes to teach tomorrow, students to tutor, papers to grade, friends to see away from the computer, and family obligations to manage, all on top of all of this.

Look to the future, folks, when it comes to Lazarus, not where Lazarus has been. Lazarus can and will be much more than any one incident or person or singular small group.

I find your lack of answer....disturbing.

[Vadia]

What makes Tread fitting, is that in a system of rank based voting, where some canidates are voted first and others last, he's never voted last.

This effectively means he's the candidate that doesn't make anyone angry, which means stability and unity. This is what we need.

[Cormactopia Prime]

What makes Tread fitting, is that in a system of rank based voting, where some canidates are voted first and others last, he's never voted last.

This effectively means he's the candidate that doesn't make anyone angry, which means stability and unity. This is what we need.

To be blunt, what you need is for the coupers to be banjected and orderly government restored. That brings stability. Not being Mr. Congeniality.

[Vadia]

What makes Tread fitting, is that in a system of rank based voting, where some canidates are voted first and others last, he's never voted last.

This effectively means he's the candidate that doesn't make anyone angry, which means stability and unity. This is what we need.

To be blunt, what you need is for the coupers to be banjected and orderly government restored. That brings stability. Not being Mr. Congeniality.

Someone prefers outdated voting methods or has an agenda?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%27Hondt_method

No worries, we will see that those who need to pay, pay.

[Vincent Drake]

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Would you eject and ban Killer Kitty et all if you were to become delegate? Please spare us all the paragraphs of deflection and just give us a "yes" or "no" answer? Pretty please with kitties on top?

[Killer Kitty]

Ah, look. The defenders are begging for their win condition.

That's cute.

[Neop]

Ah, look. The defenders are begging for their win condition.

That's cute.

Were we expecting people to ignore the fact that a coup happened? Is expecting some form of response after government order has been restored really that outrageous?

[Killer Kitty]

Is expecting some form of response after government order has been restored really that outrageous?

Not if the Defenders were Lazarus natives. However, they are not.

They are demanding from the native of Lazarus that they accommodate what the defenders want and trying to bully Lazarus into it. They are no better than what they falsely accuse me of.