Off-site NSGP Forum

[USS Monitor]

If there was someone you could all agree on, they'd probably be a pretty cool person. You could probably nominate them as an NS mod and have them take on a leadership role on-site.

The idea behind this is that Moderation is over moderating this subforum, so your idea is more Moderation?

Adding new people to the team doesn't necessarily mean we'd be stricter. The purpose would be to get their perspective on policy discussions and remove the need for me or Fris to rule on GP reports that we're not enthusiastic about ruling on.

[Canton Empire]

This sounds like a way to treat other people much worse then we do here. I wouldn't feel comfortable signing up for something where my IP address could be abused for political purposes or something else

[RiderSyl]

Well, one drawback is that no matter who you choose as a root admin you're going to have to deal with a cacophony of people decrying bias and the other side going "Oh what, just because he's [x] that means he won't be reasonable?"

Yes, this is by far the biggest drawback. I would like to try to find someone who is neutralish and has the respect of all sides. Surely there must be someone like that, right? One name that springs to mind for me is Astarial, though I have no idea if she would do it. Anyone else have suggestions?

+1 for Astarial.

[Consular]

I've been fairly vocal at my annoyance with moderation's poor reasoning lately, but I think this is just a bad idea. I would not join such a forum.

[Solorni]

I also would not join such a forum. I think it is time to admit defeat, we just all hate each other too much.

[The NAtion OF Froggy]

So many people have tunnel vision or only one sided veiw of this.

Its like badger said on discord. There is more than just the debates and raid reports on that forum.
The raidercon defendercon the world fair you can recruit you can do so much but instead. Automatically. Its my ip will be used as a weapon.

Moderation is iffy. Im new so ive stayed away from this, but the posting its just these "elites" dig piling I've seen kids pile on cormac for being cormac not his posts. But for being his gameplay in the past which yes it has a place but every thread attacking what hes done.

It pains me but cormacs done a lot for gp, his debates with ivan were where I learned to model my game. Did they use snark yes. But no where near the crap cormac puts up with. Its not just him hes just a recent example.

Im for it but frankly gp's vision is not seeing the whole picture only the one or the few detractors. Which will be ironed out. Its not like tomorrow they'll throw up a forum. Long term thinking is needed. But its not here sans a handful of people.

[Caelapes]

There is a serious risk of IP-farming, to say the least, and also impersonation - there's nothing to stop someone else from naming their account after someone's main, for example. I mean, I've been a diplomat to regions all over the place, my IP addresses are easily located if someone thought someone else was me, so there's not much danger there, but for some people...

IP addresses are one thing, but you could easily authenticate nations through the NS authentication API, which is how the NSLeft verifies nation ownership on registration.

That said, I can't imagine this ever being successful.

[RiderSyl]

I've seen kids pile on cormac for being cormac not his posts. But for being his gameplay in the past which yes it has a place but every thread attacking what hes done.

This is so, so true.

[Solorni]

I just do not think we could strike a good balance of people to moderate and be in charge of an off-site NSGP forum.

[The Glorious Hypetrain]

I'll concur with Solorni, I just don't see it as realistically possible or feasible.

[Willania Imperium]

I myself was neutral when hearing about the idea, but after reading through the arguments, I have to say no to that idea. There's too much danger with IP farming and it would be harder to enforce moderator rule.

[Cormactopia Prime]

Well, it looks like the consensus is that we're not going to be able to come together and do this, so I'm calling it now:

Gameplay (2002-2017)

Killed by Moderation after [violet] ordered them to execute Order 66.

So young. So full of life. You will be missed.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

Well, it looks like the consensus is that we're not going to be able to come together and do this, so I'm calling it now:

Gameplay (2002-2017)

Killed by Moderation after [violet] ordered them to execute Order 66.

So young. So full of life. You will be missed.

I honestly wonder how many times in the decade plus that gameplay has been around that this has been said

[Cormactopia Prime]

Well, it looks like the consensus is that we're not going to be able to come together and do this, so I'm calling it now:

Gameplay (2002-2017)

Killed by Moderation after [violet] ordered them to execute Order 66.

So young. So full of life. You will be missed.

I honestly wonder how many times in the decade plus that gameplay has been around that this has been said

One of these times it's going to be proven true, and I think when Moderation is ruling that a Dragon Age theme is flamebaiting, that time may be upon us.

[Todd McCloud]

I'm kind of outside of the recent scope of events, I think, but perhaps we could live up 2008 and let by-gones be by-gones? Like, nods are gonna mod, raiders will hate defenders and vise-versa (except in the rare case of a pseudo Romeo & Juliet), and the endless struggle of GCRs and UCRs continue?

[Kylia Quilor]

I'm kind of outside of the recent scope of events, I think, but perhaps we could live up 2008 and let by-gones be by-gones? Like, nods are gonna mod, raiders will hate defenders and vise-versa (except in the rare case of a pseudo Romeo & Juliet), and the endless struggle of GCRs and UCRs continue?

Mods don't seem to want to let us hate eachother anymore.

[Canton Empire]

Well, it looks like the consensus is that we're not going to be able to come together and do this, so I'm calling it now:

Gameplay (2002-2017)

Killed by Moderation after [violet] ordered them to execute Order 66.

So young. So full of life. You will be missed.

Are you saying a slight increase in civility will lead to the death of GP? LMAo

[Fauxia]

I'm kind of outside of the recent scope of events, I think, but perhaps we could live up 2008 and let by-gones be by-gones? Like, nods are gonna mod, raiders will hate defenders and vise-versa (except in the rare case of a pseudo Romeo & Juliet), and the endless struggle of GCRs and UCRs continue?

Mods don't seem to want to let us hate eachother anymore.

Gosh, I really hate the mods for this!

No, I don't actually hate the mods... or do I? No, I don't, or maybe I do, but pretend I don't so I don't get DEATed... PLEASE DON'T DEAT ME MODS!

[Cormactopia Prime]

Well, it looks like the consensus is that we're not going to be able to come together and do this, so I'm calling it now:

Gameplay (2002-2017)

Killed by Moderation after [violet] ordered them to execute Order 66.

So young. So full of life. You will be missed.

Are you saying a slight increase in civility will lead to the death of GP? LMAo

I mean, you tell me. Will not being able to call Funkadelia a racist anymore be detrimental to your gameplay?

We're not talking about "a slight increase in civility" here. We're talking about a political correctness regime in which a Dragon Age theme is "flamebaiting."

[Fauxia]

Are you saying a slight increase in civility will lead to the death of GP? LMAo

I mean, you tell me. Will not being able to call Funkadelia a racist anymore be detrimental to your gameplay?

We're not talking about "a slight increase in civility" here. We're talking about a political correctness regime in which a Dragon Age theme is "flamebaiting."

I mean, calling Funk a racist sounds like slander unless you know it's a joke... I too am against political correctness, but I don't think this really counts, not on an online game.

[Ambassador Canton]

Are you saying a slight increase in civility will lead to the death of GP? LMAo

I mean, you tell me. Will not being able to call Funkadelia a racist anymore be detrimental to your gameplay?

We're not talking about "a slight increase in civility" here. We're talking about a political correctness regime in which a Dragon Age theme is "flamebaiting."

I love how you put words in my mouth. It's not surprising, considering all you deal in is misquoting people and creating fabrications.

Secondly, I have no problem calling someone racist, toxic, or anything else. Believe me, if I thought it to be so, I would say it to their face.

[Zaolat]

I don't feel an Off-site NSGP forum will work nor is necessary. I do think it would be beneficial to gain a few Gameplay oriented NS Mods

While it can be trouble some for mods who are unfamiliar with Gameplay or never really liked it aside from things like Nation management with issues and such, I do think to a large extent Gameplay isn't that 'special' in terms what it should get away with.

Nominally, I categorize Gameplay 'toxicity' as what we tend to call "OOC Personal Attacks" on the person behind the player. As for, things that do not, even when blatant rule breaking doesn't appear to be the case, the shitposting becomes very close to that line. Cunning and clever, experienced players can subtlely veil baiting and flaming that the general public of All NationStates players will not notice. Then there's plenty of cases that fall into the opposite. Usually,​ resulting in getting slapped by Mods, even if it seems par the course for us Gameplayers.

I feel as Moderation hasn't been nearly active here, due to less knowledgeable​ Mods of the Gameplay forums or due to being more lax (Which is true? No idea). Now, it seems the Mods feel there's a problem and some players think they're on the path to over moderating.

There is no special bandaid for it. Which means it's more important there's a possibility of new Mods familiar with Gameplay.

I understand your concern Cormac, I too do not wish for politicking to be smashed into Oblivion. I disagree though, that things will be particularly dystopian for those that prefer that side of Gameplay. I'm not really as much into Military Gameplay as I used to be, and personally enjoy the political equation more often. Whether I'm participating somewhere or just observing. I do see things slapped that make no sense and also see things that should be slapped that don't everytime some event happens or sniping between R/D stuff.

Frankly, it's a quagmire. Giggity.

Hagfish was over the top, Darkspawn alone shouldn't have really be warnable for multiple parties, fenda isn't really an issue either, fendascum on the other hand is over the top.

There is no doubt some vagueness​ and inconsistencies that need to be addressed. Hopefully, moderation keeps that in mind but also on the other hand the players need to communicate with them in good faith too.

This is just a small part of my perspective. Apologies, for any incoherentcies. I'm really tired.

[Zaolat]

I mean, you tell me. Will not being able to call Funkadelia a racist anymore be detrimental to your gameplay?

We're not talking about "a slight increase in civility" here. We're talking about a political correctness regime in which a Dragon Age theme is "flamebaiting."

I love how you put words in my mouth. It's not surprising, considering all you deal in is misquoting people and creating fabrications.

Secondly, I have no problem calling someone racist, toxic, or anything else. Believe me, if I thought it to be so, I would say it to their face.

I'm not here to shit on you, but some of us think that you'll run afoul of the defamation rule. I really hope you don't, and while some people do things that are far across the line it should be reported in Moderation or GHR if it's on site. As for Off-site, it's just that off-site. Mods have said numerous times they have no jurisdiction there, which means it's up to us to self police who is welcome into our offsite forums or discord servers, etc.

[Kanglia]

Are you saying a slight increase in civility will lead to the death of GP? LMAo

I mean, you tell me. Will not being able to call Funkadelia a racist anymore be detrimental to your gameplay?

We're not talking about "a slight increase in civility" here. We're talking about a political correctness regime in which a Dragon Age theme is "flamebaiting."

See Cormac, I agree with your main premise of over-moderation to an extent, but I think this whole post was a little bit unneeded. IMO this is the kind of stuff that is making Reppy & the others come down a little bit harder on us all.

Personally, I think all that the moderation team is asking us all as a NSGP community to do is to think before we post stuff, & to be at least a little bit more considerate of site rules & to remember that this is all just a game after all.

[Fauxia]

I mean, you tell me. Will not being able to call Funkadelia a racist anymore be detrimental to your gameplay?

We're not talking about "a slight increase in civility" here. We're talking about a political correctness regime in which a Dragon Age theme is "flamebaiting."

I love how you put words in my mouth. It's not surprising, considering all you deal in is misquoting people and creating fabrications.

Secondly, I have no problem calling someone racist, toxic, or anything else. Believe me, if I thought it to be so, I would say it to their face.

Simply out of curiosity, why suddenly a new nation?