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Some Thoughts - If Funkadelia Supported the NPO

PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 7:39 pm
by Some Thoughts
There are some times when anonymity is simply the best, and this is one of those times. Therefore, I present to you some thoughts I've had, straining on my mind, and would like you to examine them. Some thoughts I've had may definitely be biased, some just imagination, and some possibly the inexplicable truth. However, all of this is up for judgement, as interpretation is always in the eye of the beholder.

If Funkadelia Supported the New Pacific Order

PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 7:39 pm
by Some Thoughts
If Funkadelia Supported the New Pacific Order, it appears to be that the Pacific would gain many benefits from the current developments in Lazarus, which have seen an upheaval in the the foreign affairs of Game-Created Regions. As it has currently been seen, Lazarus has undergone internal strife in where Funkadelia, current World Assembly Delegate of Lazarus, along with other members of the Lazarene government, have accused certain members in his administration of attempting to plan a coup and displace him from the Delgacy. In retaliation, Funkadelia, among with whom he believed to be innocent and held Regional Officers positions in Lazarus, banjected those who they believed to be most hostile to Lazarus’ interests, and subsequently declared a State of Emergency, coming to the conclusion that Lazarus was facing a crisis due to these apparently hostile nations.

On the other hand, the newly formed Lazarus Government-In-Exile, composed of those who Funkadelia has banjected among others, has received the support of The South Pacific as seen from a message from their Foreign Affairs department and believes that Funkadelia has instead violated Regional Law and banjected their members for the sake of gaining the power in the region for himself. They also believe that Funkadelia has been colluding with two other members in his administration to thoroughly plan what they believe to be a “coup,” which the Lazarus Government in the region believes not to be, and that they should regain control of Lazarus and displace Funkadelia from his Delegacy due to his apparent involvement in illegal actions.

Now, assuming that Funkadelia strongly supported the New Pacific Order from the very beginning, things start to solidify. Several Pacificans had already become citizens in Lazarus, and therefore help solidify a belief that the Pacific intends for no harm towards Lazarus. Around this time, the New Pacific Order may have strongly gained Funkadelia’s trust, or perhaps even earlier, so that when he ascends to the Delegacy, he can take steps towards helping the New Pacific Order, and what he believes to be helping, Lazarus. With Funkadelia taking steps to unify what he believes to be a not uniform administration, and move towards a common agenda involving collaboration with the Pacific, he sees that there are several members in his administration that do not support the Pacific, especially after the New Lazarene Order administration and also possibly because they simply aren’t politically oriented towards the region, and as a result, feels that the members either need to collaborate with him, or be left out.

Knowing that the latter is illegal, he may have attempted to move relations towards the Pacific, but seeing that such efforts weren’t moving as quick and efficiently as he wanted, he begins to collaborate with Lone Wolves United, with the direction of the New Pacific Order, seeing that bringing raiders in to tip elections in the region will stir up controversy. In turn, those who he believed to be opposite his agenda began to rile up, thinking that Funkadelia was gathering allies of his own for his own personal good, and began to plan a possible displacement of Funkadelia in case they thought things went too far. With the number of new citizens, especially those supporting Funkadelia’s agenda in elections, increasing, those riled Lazarenes became increasingly uneasy about his rule, and some even began planning for a new kind of government in their paranoia. In this, Funkadelia, and potentially the New Pacific Order, used the divide between defenders and raiders with the large number of Lone Wolves United members to erase any notion of NPO involvement and cause more controversy, and therefore, cloudiness, in the judgement of Lazarus and its situation.

This controversy divided the region, and was to create an even larger divide in Gameplay when Funkadelia, feeling that he had no choice and needed to do something for the good of Lazarus (and ultimately the New Pacific Order), banjected the riled up Lazarene politicians with the help of his most trusted officials who he felt he could confide in his want to partner with the Pacific. Shocked by this action, those banjected immediately set up a rival government, seeking to gain power, and thus starting to divide the Game-Created Regions. The South Pacific was the first to act, supporting the rival government, and The Rejected Realms followed in their footsteps. However, with The South Pacific supporting a rival government which they could not tolerate, The West Pacific continued its support of the Funkadelian-led government, aligning itself with what could’ve been a supporter of the New Pacific Order, and in turn, closing its ties with The South Pacific and bringing it closer overall to the New Pacific Order cause.

In doing this, Funkadelia could finally begin moving Lazarus towards the Pacific, as he may had felt that the Pacific shared the goals of Lazarus, and with the help of The West Pacific, could potentially strengthen his region’s support of the New Pacific Order in the future. Additionally, The West Pacific could further focus on aligning itself permanently with the New Pacific Order, with the Lazarus controversy being that perfect excuse to become the same fortress state as the NPO. With this, the New Pacific Order intends to add yet another ally to its group of allies while at the same time alienating those who it feels are not for its purposes, or more specifically, The North Pacific, The South Pacific, and The Rejected Realms. It most likely believes that The East Pacific is neutral to its cause, and as its foreign affairs policy isn’t as pro-democratic as others, especially after its reformation, the alignment of Lazarus with its agenda allows all three sinkers, along with the already strongly-allied West Pacific, to be under its belt, thus completing what it believes to be its path towards further strengthening its grip on NationStates from the foundations of the GCR Sovereignty Accords.

This could only arise from the possibility that Funkadelia was extremely loyal and supportive of the New Pacific Order, and that is under debate. However, it seems too much of a coincidence for the New Pacific Order to be able to do so much with Lazarus, and much too fitting to be nothing but a personal want for power.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 7:44 pm
by Solorni
Some thoughts: whatever happened to nations posting with their real nations?

PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 7:45 pm
by Big Bad Badger
Solorni wrote:Some thoughts: whatever happened to nations posting with their real nations?

Courage seems to be a trait lacking these days....

PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 7:47 pm
by Canton Empire
Solorni wrote:Some thoughts: whatever happened to nations posting with their real nations?

Considering the nastiness of some replies, I don't blame Some Thoughts

PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 7:52 pm
by Saltmoras
Oh my they're multiplying. At least Curious Observations was easy to read.

I also think your little conspiracy theory is completely off base.

PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 10:46 pm
by Metal Mekhet
LOL. I'm sure the NPO and Funkadelia are besties. :clap:

PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 11:04 pm
by Pierconium
Metal Mekhet wrote:LOL. I'm sure the NPO and Funkadelia are besties. :clap:

Indeed.

Every word of the OP is true and accurate. *rollseyes*

PostPosted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 11:46 pm
by Killer Kitty
I seem to recall Ark, who is one of the people trying to coup the elected Government of Lazarus, posting at some length about how many people in NPO probably hate Funk and would most likely want to see him removed as delegate. I even posted screenshots in an article I wrote yesterday.

So, yeah, this allignation is baseless.

PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 12:07 am
by Pierconium
Killer Kitty wrote:I seem to recall Ark, who is one of the people trying to coup the elected Government of Lazarus, posting at some length about how many people in NPO probably hate Funk and would most likely want to see him removed as delegate. I even posted screenshots in an article I wrote yesterday.

So, yeah, this allignation is baseless.

I have no problem with Funkadelia. I believe the reverse is likely untrue however.

I see Funk as an opportunistic manipulator that utilises the means available to him to reach his goals. In other words, a nation after my own heart.

PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 12:17 am
by Myrth
Personally I love a good tyrant, whether or not they see the light and align themselves with the NPO.

PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 12:35 am
by Vuori Kunin-Grrs
Interesting, but useless. Why would Funkadelia banject Lazarenes to be in a massive conspiracy with the NPO? That seems a little far-fetched...

PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 2:31 am
by Revolutionary Vanguardism
Cormac's francoist posts make more sense than this.

PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 2:41 am
by Amerion
Pierconium wrote:In other words, a nation after my own heart.



:lol2: :clap:

PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 2:46 am
by Cormactopia Prime
Pierconium wrote:I see Funk as an opportunistic manipulator that utilises the means available to him to reach his goals. In other words, a nation after my own heart.

We should really form a club, to be honest. I'm not sure we could decide who to make treasurer though, we're all a shifty bunch.

Revolutionary Vanguardism wrote:Cormac's francoist posts make more sense than this.

*takes a bow*

PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 2:56 am
by Curious Observations
If this was supposed to style-bite me, then it was not very well done.

PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:55 am
by Dirty Yellow Pickles
Myrth wrote:Personally I love a good tyrant, whether or not they see the light and align themselves with the NPO.

If NPO had gone the diplomatic route with Laz originally we'd properly still be on the same forum.

Also my auto correct puts NPO as MOO. Mind blown.

PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 6:00 am
by Tinhampton
Wasn't I told that Funk and co. were the same people who vigorously opposed the Pacific's NLO?

PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 6:07 am
by Frats and Jocks
Tinhampton wrote:Wasn't I told that Funk and co. were the same people who vigorously opposed the Pacific's NLO?


Yep! That NLO recognised the threat ahead of time. Stu is a visionary.

PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 9:08 am
by Senator Elegarth
Tinhampton wrote:Wasn't I told that Funk and co. were the same people who vigorously opposed the Pacific's NLO?

As many people have said, Funk sudden anti-NPO stance on the NLO crisis was most surely born due to opposition to Stu...

PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 11:32 am
by Cormactopia Prime
Tinhampton wrote:Wasn't I told that Funk and co. were the same people who vigorously opposed the Pacific's NLO?

They were among the people who vigorously opposed the NLO. I opposed it as well. All situations are not created equal; I've opposed five coups during my time in NationStates, and I've participated in three coups, because circumstances differed on a case by case basis.

This isn't a coup, in any event. It's a civil conflict between two factions, and the so-called "resistance" has broken the law and is still breaking it.

PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 11:37 am
by United Provinces of Atlantica
Nothing in this OP is even remotely true besides stating the obvious; that there is a resistance, that Funk banjected people, that TSP/TRR support said resistance, and that TWP supports Funk. This isn't 2004 or 2005; there is not some grand war between the NPO and the democratic GCRs.

Dirty Yellow Pickles wrote:
Myrth wrote:Personally I love a good tyrant, whether or not they see the light and align themselves with the NPO.

If NPO had gone the diplomatic route with Laz originally we'd properly still be on the same forum.

Also my auto correct puts NPO as MOO. Mind blown.

A small error in your autocorrect, or a cryptic sign honoring the NPO's greatest emperor? :p

PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 11:53 am
by Pierconium
United Provinces of Atlantica wrote:
Dirty Yellow Pickles wrote:If NPO had gone the diplomatic route with Laz originally we'd properly still be on the same forum.

Also my auto correct puts NPO as MOO. Mind blown.

A small error in your autocorrect, or a cryptic sign honoring the NPO's greatest emperor? :p

And regardless of anything else you may have posted, or might post in the future, this discredits all.

PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 2:49 pm
by Old Hope
Cormactopia Prime wrote:
Tinhampton wrote:Wasn't I told that Funk and co. were the same people who vigorously opposed the Pacific's NLO?

They were among the people who vigorously opposed the NLO. I opposed it as well. All situations are not created equal; I've opposed five coups during my time in NationStates, and I've participated in three coups, because circumstances differed on a case by case basis.

This isn't a coup, in any event. It's a civil conflict between two factions, and the so-called "resistance" has broken the law and is still breaking it.

Hmm I am pretty sure that every faction has practically to break the law right now or they lose. Because neither faction would have the legal power to dispose of their opponents(until it would be too late)
I am also sure that this all does not look good for Lazarus: It will take a substantial amount of time to depose the high influence nations(because those currently in power have spent alot of influence). Within this time the conflict will probably lead to mass removals, harming the region... especially if the resistance does not win. Yes I know that coups and conflicts are said to increase activity... but this conflict might not.

PostPosted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 3:02 pm
by Myrth
Dirty Yellow Pickles wrote:
Myrth wrote:Personally I love a good tyrant, whether or not they see the light and align themselves with the NPO.

If NPO had gone the diplomatic route with Laz originally we'd properly still be on the same forum.

Also my auto correct puts NPO as MOO. Mind blown.


Ah, but diplomacy is so inefficient.