Lazarene Government - The State Of The Union

[The Church of Satan]

Funk continues to violate Lazarene law and is a dictatorial criminal. Including his other violations of the mandate he continues to violate our Article 3 rights. It is clear to anyone willing to read the mandate that he has undoubtedly committed a coup.

[Pentaga Giudici]

On the second point, I don't know what you're referring to because every was not mentioned in the post. So confused.

You are constantly accusing Cormac of personal attacks whether it be in TSP, the NSGP discord server, or the gameplay forums. "Every post" is clearly an exaggeration, but my point still stands. None of his posts have been "personal attacks" so there's no need to falsely accuse him as doing such a thing. On the contrary, and with much irony, it is you doing the "personal attacks."

How are you and where do you stand in this Lazerene version of Game of Thrones?

I think I've made my stance pretty clear that I support Funkadelia as he remains the sitting in-game delegate that was rightfully elected by WA endorsement count, thus making him the de facto delegate of Lazarus. If Lazarus does not like him being the delegate, they can withdraw their endorsements. In the meantime, Funkadelia can search for external support to assist in raising his endorsement count.

He got rid of 90% of the officials and voters, and everyone who supports him is brand new or were illegally put in office very recently.

I read all three threads 90% of the way, he has all kinds of stuff pinned on him.

[Killer Kitty]

He got rid of 90% of the officials and voters

[Citation needed]

[Escade]

Re your first point: Going to ignore the nonsense because repeating something doesn't change the nonsense factor. Not even sure why you are once again trying to revolve around Cormac. You can be you own distinct figure as well. We can have a cogent discussion.

How are you and where do you stand in this Lazerene version of Game of Thrones?

I think I've made my stance pretty clear that I support Funkadelia as he remains the sitting in-game delegate that was rightfully elected by WA endorsement count, thus making him the de facto delegate of Lazarus. If Lazarus does not like him being the delegate, they can withdraw their endorsements. In the meantime, Funkadelia can search for external support to assist in raising his endorsement count.

So you are advocating a view in which the legal delegacy is predicated upon WA endorsements and nothing else? Yet, at the same time suggesting that external support may be the only way to keep up that "legal" delegacy. Interesting. Therefore, you do not recognize any elected government and particularly governments that rely on the forum for all or part of their elections and instead favor one that has to be propped up by "external" forces or coupers.

[Cormactopia Prime]

Funk continues to violate Lazarene law and is a dictatorial criminal. Including his other violations of the mandate he continues to violate our Article 3 rights. It is clear to anyone willing to read the mandate that he has undoubtedly committed a coup.

The illegal "government-in-exile" is also violating Lazarene law though. So why would we not opt for the sitting Delegate over you?

[The Church of Satan]

How are we breaking the law? We are yet to break any law. Even Funk's trumped up charges can only apply to the handful of people in his screenshots.

[Cormactopia Prime]

How are we breaking the law? We are yet to break any law. Even Funk's trumped up charges can only apply to the handful of people in his screenshots.

So it's legal to declare Doperland the new Sovereign of Lazarus without first removing Funkadelia from office? Citation please.

[Ikania]

Funk continues to violate Lazarene law and is a dictatorial criminal. Including his other violations of the mandate he continues to violate our Article 3 rights. It is clear to anyone willing to read the mandate that he has undoubtedly committed a coup.

The illegal "government-in-exile" is also violating Lazarene law though. So why would we not opt for the sitting Delegate over you?

We have committed no illegal actions. That is clearly visible through the logs that have been so conveniently cherry picked by the other side. There is no one in governmental positions who were not elected or appointed lawfully before this coup, or fall outside the chain of succession for positions deemed no longer occupied.

How are we breaking the law? We are yet to break any law. Even Funk's trumped up charges can only apply to the handful of people in his screenshots.

So it's legal to declare Doperland the new Sovereign of Lazarus without first removing Funkadelia from office? Citation please.

That claim has been corrected.

[Pentaga Giudici]

He got rid of 90% of the officials and voters

[Citation needed]

I went to the regional forums and looked at several threads, each of them had over and over again, many people who were "accused"

At the moment at least seven are called ring-leaders by you, then you have three more in the region that were silenced on the Discord, and two to six more that were part of the region joined the movement.

You can't purge or suppress over 80% percent of the posters, that's the freaking vast majority of active users.

[Cormactopia Prime]

The illegal "government-in-exile" is also violating Lazarene law though. So why would we not opt for the sitting Delegate over you?

We have committed no illegal actions. That is clearly visible through the logs that have been so conveniently cherry picked by the other side. There is no one in governmental positions who were not elected or appointed lawfully before this coup, or fall outside the chain of succession for positions deemed no longer occupied.

But succession must occur after the Sovereign is removed from office, no? And has the Sovereign been removed from office?

So it's legal to declare Doperland the new Sovereign of Lazarus without first removing Funkadelia from office? Citation please.

That claim has been corrected.

And yet I'm not seeing anything in the Mandate authorizing a government that doesn't include the legal Sovereign. Can you point me to that?

[The United Artherian Federation]

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Citizens and observers,

After two years of stability and security in our great region of Lazarus, the sovereignty of our people has once again come under threat. The democracy of Lazarus has been undermined by a cabal of traitors who seek only to further their own interests and benefit themselves.

Make no mistake: there has been a coup d’etat in Lazarus. Our sitting Delegate, who we put our trust in to serve and protect us as leader, has betrayed that trust. He, and his cronies, have committed a full force butchering of the Mandate that serves as the basis for our law.

In this dire time, a voice of legitimacy, stability, and reason is required. We, the citizenry of Lazarus, have taken it upon ourselves to form a proper government, upholding the principles of the Celestial Mandate. This government-in-exile rejects the illegal purge committed by Funkadelia, Evil Wolf, and Lamb Stone. We proclaim ourselves, undoubtedly and unequivocally, to be the one, true government of the Celestial Union of Lazarus.

First, we would like to dispel myths regarding the situation. The most important thing to know is that the members of this government, most of us involved in underground resistance efforts prior to this coup, have never been involved in the planning of any kind of illegal overthrowal of the government.

We offer several logs from our chat to support this. There was not, is not, and will never be, any plot to coup Lazarus, whatsoever. The only coup plot came on the part of Delegate Funkadelia and his treasonous supporters. Some initial counter-evidence can be found here, and we are happy to provide any context needed on request.

We also reject the complete lie that alleges Amerion was attempting to rally people to unendorse the Delegate prior to the coup. As he has provided in his own screenshots, he was actually attempting to bring his own endorsements down, fearing violation of the endorsement cap, which Lamb has so flagrantly violated without punishment.

Before the events of today, Funkadelia committed several illegal actions in breach of the Mandate. His illegal administering of confirmation elections regarding the Prelate of the Judiciary makes the sitting of Killer Kitty on the court invalid. His bypassing of the Celestial Being’s authority in order to hold a show trial for Amerion is also illegal. The Sovereign also does not have the authority to dismiss Archbishops, but this did not stop him from getting rid of Ark when he found him to be a thorn in his side.

We note further, that only yesterday, the government of The South Pacific most graciously offered its services in mediating a negotiation between the government and resistance elements. We had hoped that this tension could reach a conclusion that was best for all of us, a peaceful resolution in the interests of the Lazarene people. In the 24-hour span where Funkadelia claimed to be ‘considering’ attending such talks, which we eagerly wanted to do, he instead immediately performed his coup and dropped the illusion of democracy.

It is the obvious conclusion, therefore, that the Delegate has completely and unreservedly destroyed the trust placed in him by the people. He has forfeited his rights to the Delegacy of Lazarus by committing treason against the region. He, and his cronies Killer Kitty and Lamb, illegally occupy the positions they hold gameside, as they continue to lie and twist the truth to muster support for their coup.

In the hours since this coup, the regime has banned several people from the Lazarene Discord server, which we now reject as illegitimate in the hands of traitors. They have banned several nations and suppressed many posts on the regional message board that spread the truth. It seems that we are now well and truly at war.

In the face of these challenges, we issue a request to all foreign allies of Lazarus to come and back the legitimate government of the region. We welcome all extra-regional support, both raider and defender, and emphatically denounce all allegations that we are a defender-only movement that seeks any kind of defender supremacy in Lazarus.
This is not a lost cause. We emphasize this wholeheartedly, because there is yet hope. But it relies on the support of every nation possible. We call upon all defenders and raiders alike who value sovereignty, we call upon treaty allies who wish to uphold their commitment to our regions’ mutual security and prosperity. We call upon every individual and organization who wishes to fight for a better future for Lazarus, to come and support us.

In our plea, we evoke the words of the great Charles de Gaulle: “But has the last word been said? Must hope disappear? Is defeat final? No!” And in closing, we say to you: Whatever happens, the flame of the Lazarene resistance must not be extinguished and will not be extinguished.

Ils ne passeront pas.

In the meantime, this will be the thread for all affairs concerning Lazarus, under the authority of its legitimate government. We welcome visitors to our Discord server, which can be found here: https://discord.gg/BftVjm4

And our new forum, given the takeover of the old one by regime elements: http://s15.zetaboards.com/Lazarus_NS/index/

Issued on behalf of Defender of the Realm Doperland, Celestial Being Aumelodia, and the collective legitimate government of Lazarus in exile.

THIS IS JUST PROPAGANDA.

[Ikania]

And yet I'm not seeing anything in the Mandate authorizing a government that doesn't include the legal Sovereign. Can you point me to that?

Let me put it this way: We are not a completely separate government formed in the ashes of a collapse, so much as we are the same government, with the same people, in the same positions, currently displaced from our proper avenues of communication through abuse of power on the part of the Delegate and his cronies. We are currently exploring legal options to remove him, but we are not subject to his whims, or beholden to his wish for obedience. We follow the Mandate. If you want to find a part in the Mandate that says we can't exercise the obligations of the offices we hold if the Sovereign coups, you can get back to me on that.

[Pentaga Giudici]

And yet I'm not seeing anything in the Mandate authorizing a government that doesn't include the legal Sovereign. Can you point me to that?

Let me put it this way: We are not a completely separate government formed in the ashes of a collapse, so much as we are the same government, with the same people, in the same positions, currently displaced from our proper avenues of communication through abuse of power on the part of the Delegate and his cronies. We are currently exploring legal options to remove him, but we are not subject to his whims, or beholden to his wish for obedience. We follow the Mandate. If you want to find a part in the Mandate that says we can't exercise the obligations of the offices we hold if the Sovereign coups, you can get back to me on that.

Pretty sure 12 Lazarus people is more democratic then three....

So it doesn't matter what you say, what Funk did is wrong.

A coup involves like 30% of the population currently in power, not 80-90%.

[Cormactopia Prime]

And yet I'm not seeing anything in the Mandate authorizing a government that doesn't include the legal Sovereign. Can you point me to that?

Let me put it this way: We are not a completely separate government formed in the ashes of a collapse, so much as we are the same government, with the same people, in the same positions, currently displaced from our proper avenues of communication through abuse of power on the part of the Delegate and his cronies. We are currently exploring legal options to remove him, but we are not subject to his whims, or beholden to his wish for obedience. We follow the Mandate. If you want to find a part in the Mandate that says we can't exercise the obligations of the offices we hold if the Sovereign coups, you can get back to me on that.

The Mandate makes clear that the Sovereign must hold the World Assembly Delegacy of Lazarus. Are you not seeking to unseat him from the Delegacy without removing him from office? That appears to be illegal, no?

[Killer Kitty]

The Mandate makes clear that the Sovereign must hold the World Assembly Delegacy of Lazarus. Are you not seeking to unseat him from the Delegacy without removing him from office? That appears to be illegal, no?

Nah, see Cormac, you're not getting the scam.

When it doesn't help them, they say the law is broken and they were doing the morally right thing. When it does support their view point, they say the Law is the will of the people and needs to be enforced.

You need to get down with the logic.

[Kylia Quilor]

Oh bloody hell.

[Pentaga Giudici]

The Mandate makes clear that the Sovereign must hold the World Assembly Delegacy of Lazarus. Are you not seeking to unseat him from the Delegacy without removing him from office? That appears to be illegal, no?

Nah, see Cormac, you're not getting the scam.

When it doesn't help them, they say the law is broken and they were doing the morally right thing. When it does support their view point, they say the Law is the will of the people and needs to be enforced.

You need to get down with the logic.

If 80% of the population does something, it's not illegal.

The Majority makes the rules, do you not support democray?

[Kylia Quilor]

Nah, see Cormac, you're not getting the scam.

When it doesn't help them, they say the law is broken and they were doing the morally right thing. When it does support their view point, they say the Law is the will of the people and needs to be enforced.

You need to get down with the logic.

If 80% of the population does something, it's not illegal.

The Majority makes the rules, do you not support democray?

Democracy and Mob Rule aren't exactly the same thing, unless you're in 400s/early 300s BC Athens, especially once you bring in the concept of Law.

[Pentaga Giudici]

If 80% of the population does something, it's not illegal.

The Majority makes the rules, do you not support democray?

Democracy and Mob Rule aren't exactly the same thing, unless you're in 400s/early 300s BC Athens, especially once you bring in the concept of Law.

Democracy is just Mob Rule, only the minorities have rights and riots aren't allowed.

[Kylia Quilor]

Democracy and Mob Rule aren't exactly the same thing, unless you're in 400s/early 300s BC Athens, especially once you bring in the concept of Law.

Democracy is just Mob Rule, only the minorities have rights and riots aren't allowed.

especially once you bring in the concept of Law.

[Pentaga Giudici]

Democracy is just Mob Rule, only the minorities have rights and riots aren't allowed.

especially once you bring in the concept of Law.

Ultimately, my point is that 20% of the elite population in control, does not a democracy make.

That's not even an oligarchy, that's a dictatorship of three.

[Drop Your Pants]

If 80% of the population does something, it's not illegal.

The Majority makes the rules, do you not support democray?

Ah so you agree that EW was legally voted in as Prelate then? After all, he did win with a majority vote

[Pentaga Giudici]

If 80% of the population does something, it's not illegal.

The Majority makes the rules, do you not support democray?

Ah so you agree that EW was legally voted in as Prelate then? After all, he did win with a majority vote

Was this while all the meat puppets were approved and allowed to vote?

[Solorni]

Ah so you agree that EW was legally voted in as Prelate then? After all, he did win with a majority vote

Was this while all the meat puppets were approved and allowed to vote?

Are you a robot or something? Meat puppet??

[Saltmoras]

Was this while all the meat puppets were approved and allowed to vote?

Are you a robot or something? Meat puppet??

PUNY CARBON BASED LIFEFORMS!

As a Sodium Chloride based lifeform myself, I find the existence of meat, finger, and sock puppets to be offensive.