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Ikania
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Postby Ikania » Mon Jul 24, 2017 2:48 pm

Y'all're a bunch of stiffs :lol2:
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Glen-Rhodes
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Postby Glen-Rhodes » Mon Jul 24, 2017 2:49 pm

Cormactopia Prime wrote:I think it's possible you missed that Ike was making an (admittedly distasteful and not actually funny) joke. He and Omega are on the same side.

i'm aware. i'm literally in the resistance discord chat that ike admins.

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The NAtion OF Froggy
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Postby The NAtion OF Froggy » Mon Jul 24, 2017 3:02 pm

Ikania wrote:Y'all're a bunch of stiffs :lol2:


Or you could just tell better jokes. Please, as polish jew I dont mind jew jokes as long as they are funny.
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Chanku
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Postby Chanku » Mon Jul 24, 2017 3:35 pm

As someone who is in that chat and has been named here, let me say this. The fact that I'm being accused of being involved in any plot to coup Lazarus is a direct attack on my character, and further I decry such claims. Those who know me know how I am, and probably know my stance on Coups, and that is that I oppose them strongly. If such an action was being planned I would have gathered proof, left, and then leaked it to the world. For my time in there, and with what I could access, there was no plot to undermine or go against the laws of Lazarus, instead there was a consistent, explicit desire and goal to keep in line with them.

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Coupy
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Postby Coupy » Mon Jul 24, 2017 4:01 pm

Loose lips sink ships.

Long live Lazarus.

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The Church of Satan
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Postby The Church of Satan » Mon Jul 24, 2017 4:03 pm

Chanukah also isn't even a citizen. Hard to commit treason when you're not a citizen.
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Killer Kitty
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Postby Killer Kitty » Mon Jul 24, 2017 4:07 pm

Roavin wrote:
Pierconium wrote:As an outsider who has unfortunately had to deal with some of the issues arising from this within my own region, I would be very interested in hearing from an official in TSP regarding the supposed planning of this coup.


We weren't involved and the accusation is absurd and unfounded. That's pretty much all there's to it.


And then TSP goes ahead and backs the failed coup less than 12 hours later, so clearly TSP had some level of involvement.
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Tekeristan
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Postby Tekeristan » Mon Jul 24, 2017 4:08 pm

Raiding is silly.

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Ikania
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Postby Ikania » Mon Jul 24, 2017 4:09 pm

Killer Kitty wrote:
Roavin wrote:
We weren't involved and the accusation is absurd and unfounded. That's pretty much all there's to it.


And then TSP goes ahead and backs the failed coup less than 12 hours later, so clearly TSP had some level of involvement.

TSP was involved in possible mediation between our two sides of this dispute, don't you remember? Or would you prefer to ignore the facts when they don't play into the narrative? Of course they're going to back our side, we're the ones who have repeatedly stressed our dedication to the law and our will to talk this stuff out.
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Killer Kitty
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Postby Killer Kitty » Mon Jul 24, 2017 4:10 pm

Ikania wrote:TSP was involved in possible mediation between our two sides of this dispute, don't you remember? Or would you prefer to ignore the facts when they don't play into the narrative? Of course they're going to back our side, we're the ones who have repeatedly stressed our dedication to the law and our will to talk this stuff out.


What? What are you even talking about? Was I involved in these talks? Am I suppose to know what you're referring to?

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Pentaga Giudici
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Postby Pentaga Giudici » Mon Jul 24, 2017 4:11 pm

Killer Kitty wrote:
Roavin wrote:
We weren't involved and the accusation is absurd and unfounded. That's pretty much all there's to it.


And then TSP goes ahead and backs the failed coup less than 12 hours later, so clearly TSP had some level of involvement.


Most of the regions active user base already wants to get rid of him, why are you surprised other regions do?

My bad, almost the entire region's active user base wants to get rid of him, every single active user besides three freaking people...Which counts himself.

He has branded two or three times his supporters as traitors.
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I'm surprised too, maybe it's a sign things are looking up.

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Cormactopia Prime
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Postby Cormactopia Prime » Mon Jul 24, 2017 4:11 pm

Ikania wrote:TSP was involved in possible mediation between our two sides of this dispute, don't you remember? Or would you prefer to ignore the facts when they don't play into the narrative? Of course they're going to back our side, we're the ones who have repeatedly stressed our dedication to the law and our will to talk this stuff out.

You're so dedicated to the law that you've declared an illegal "government-in-exile" while Funkadelia remains the legal Sovereign of Lazarus. :roll:

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Roavin
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Roavin » Mon Jul 24, 2017 4:14 pm

Killer Kitty wrote:
Roavin wrote:
We weren't involved and the accusation is absurd and unfounded. That's pretty much all there's to it.


And then TSP goes ahead and backs the failed coup less than 12 hours later, so clearly TSP had some level of involvement.


That's some ninja level mental gymnastics there dude :P

"This guy helped out the injured persons at the crash site, clearly he was involved in the crash!"

Killer Kitty wrote:
Ikania wrote:TSP was involved in possible mediation between our two sides of this dispute, don't you remember? Or would you prefer to ignore the facts when they don't play into the narrative? Of course they're going to back our side, we're the ones who have repeatedly stressed our dedication to the law and our will to talk this stuff out.


What? What are you even talking about? Was I involved in these talks? Am I suppose to know what you're referring to?


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Killer Kitty
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Postby Killer Kitty » Mon Jul 24, 2017 4:40 pm

Roavin wrote:


Uh, what's this suppose to be?

[Reading Intensifies]

This is fluff. What is this even? This is Escade offering to "mediate" and Funk saying "Maybe, I'll think about it".

What is this even suppose to prove? That Escade and Funk talk to each other?
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Roavin
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Postby Roavin » Mon Jul 24, 2017 5:01 pm

That y'all were approached about mediation, as Omega claimed and the statement said.
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Pentaga Giudici
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Postby Pentaga Giudici » Mon Jul 24, 2017 5:07 pm

Support the independent investigation, refute claims made against you, and so on.

For those who think something is fishy going on and don't buy what either side is saying, or confused people, or people who hate disputes.
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People talking without speaking. People hearing without listening.

I'm surprised too, maybe it's a sign things are looking up.

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Killer Kitty
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Postby Killer Kitty » Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:28 pm

Roavin wrote:That y'all were approached about mediation, as Omega claimed and the statement said.


And? What does this mean? That we didn't have a right to charge our citizens, who broke our laws, for a crime under our laws? That we didn't have a right to defend ourselves against a coup?

What are you getting at here, because this seems less about contributing to the dialogue of the discussion and more about pushing TSP's propaganda for their unjustified support of a coup attempt. Have you no respect for our regional sovereignty?

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Roavin
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Roavin » Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:34 pm

Killer Kitty wrote:What are you getting at here, because this seems less about contributing to the dialogue of the discussion and more about pushing TSP's propaganda for their unjustified support of a coup attempt. Have you no respect for our regional sovereignty?


You're doing it wrong - you're supposed to say that it's a defender conspiracy and that I'm basically Unibot.

Btw, I've noted that you have ignored replies in this thread where the context for the screenshots from the OP was given, with which it was demonstrated quite clearly that things were taken out of context (as additionally confirmed to me by SPSF General Res). So, you might wanna get on that before you claim to be in the right here ;)
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Pentaga Giudici
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Postby Pentaga Giudici » Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:36 pm

Killer Kitty wrote:
Roavin wrote:That y'all were approached about mediation, as Omega claimed and the statement said.


And? What does this mean? That we didn't have a right to charge our citizens, who broke our laws, for a crime under our laws? That we didn't have a right to defend ourselves against a coup?

What are you getting at here, because this seems less about contributing to the dialogue of the discussion and more about pushing TSP's propaganda for their unjustified support of a coup attempt. Have you no respect for our regional sovereignty?


70% or more of the government can't do a coup.... That is the freaking majority government right there.
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People talking without speaking. People hearing without listening.

I'm surprised too, maybe it's a sign things are looking up.

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The Septimanian Marches
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Postby The Septimanian Marches » Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:40 pm

Pentaga Giudici wrote:70% or more of the government can't do a coup.... That is the freaking majority government right there.

Where do you get these numbers?

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Pentaga Giudici
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Postby Pentaga Giudici » Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:46 pm

The Septimanian Marches wrote:
Pentaga Giudici wrote:70% or more of the government can't do a coup.... That is the freaking majority government right there.

Where do you get these numbers?


I went on the regional forums, counted all the active users, counted who was green and who was red.
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People talking without speaking. People hearing without listening.

I'm surprised too, maybe it's a sign things are looking up.

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Ikania
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Ikania » Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:47 pm

Killer Kitty wrote:Have you no respect for our regional sovereignty?

I direct the same question to you, Khan of Lone Wolves United. You and a cabal of fellow Wolves puppeting this region and making it your bitch, then trying to spin the narrative onto us when we put up a fight against your blatant power grab. Who are you to talk about undermining sovereignty when you have systematically dismantled ours with this coup?
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Drop Your Pants
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Drop Your Pants » Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:48 pm

Roavin wrote:Btw, I've noted that you have ignored replies in this thread where the context for the screenshots from the OP was given, with which it was demonstrated quite clearly that things were taken out of context (as additionally confirmed to me by SPSF General Res). So, you might wanna get on that before you claim to be in the right here ;)

Of course he didn't reply. He's basically making this up as he goes along anyway :hug:
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Pentaga Giudici
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Postby Pentaga Giudici » Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:12 pm

They still won't explain to me how it's right to get rid of most of the officials and active users.

That's like cutting off all your limbs, your eyes, your nose, your ears, and your mouth, all your internal organs, and all your veins; and then saying whatever the hell leftover is a body.
Pentagonal Armaments
Sometimes you just need something to protect yourself with.


People talking without speaking. People hearing without listening.

I'm surprised too, maybe it's a sign things are looking up.

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The Septimanian Marches
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Postby The Septimanian Marches » Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:13 pm

Pentaga Giudici wrote:They still won't explain to me how it's right to get rid of most of the officials and active users.

That's like cutting off all your limbs, your eyes, your nose, your ears, and your mouth, all your internal organs, and all your veins; and then saying whatever the hell leftover is a body.

Still better than having your body stolen by a mind swapper.

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