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Ikania
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Ikania » Mon Jul 24, 2017 11:04 am

Killer Kitty wrote:
Ikania wrote:The purpose of the chat was to organize a democratic and lawful resistance to the illegal efforts of the current regime.


Bringing in outside military supports does not seem to be legal nor democratic.

What isn't legal or democratic is the complete destruction of the Mandate committed by the incumbent regime, which has overthrown lawful government and proclaimed its own dictatorship. We must now take whatever measures are necessary to restore democracy and the Mandate.
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Killer Kitty
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Killer Kitty » Mon Jul 24, 2017 11:07 am

Ikania wrote:What isn't legal or democratic is the complete destruction of the Mandate committed by the incumbent regime, which has overthrown lawful government and proclaimed its own dictatorship. We must now take whatever measures are necessary to restore democracy and the Mandate.


And if we did any of that, you'd have legs to stand on, but none of that has happened.

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Pentaga Giudici
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Founded: Feb 13, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby Pentaga Giudici » Mon Jul 24, 2017 11:09 am

Killer Kitty wrote:
Ikania wrote:The purpose of the chat was to organize a democratic and lawful resistance to the illegal efforts of the current regime.


Bringing in outside military supports does not seem to be legal nor democratic.


Go look in the mirror then and ban yourself from the region, you are the one who brought in vote stackers first.

Ypeiseacl wrote:Can confirm on the banning people. Not sure what I did (even unaffiliated from this whole "coup") to get a discord ban


You did nothing, they are just freaking out and purging people to purge people.
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I'm surprised too, maybe it's a sign things are looking up.

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Killer Kitty
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Founded: Oct 08, 2005
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Killer Kitty » Mon Jul 24, 2017 11:13 am

Pentaga Giudici wrote:
Killer Kitty wrote:
Bringing in outside military supports does not seem to be legal nor democratic.


Go look in the mirror then and ban yourself from the region, you are the one who brought in vote stackers first.

Ypeiseacl wrote:Can confirm on the banning people. Not sure what I did (even unaffiliated from this whole "coup") to get a discord ban


You did nothing, they are just freaking out and purging people to purge people.


No one has been "purged". Three people were ejected, and one was banned, all of which is perfectly legal since they've been charged with a crime. Go read the law.

The accusation of "vote staking", while amusing, has no proof, and even if it did have proof, doesn't violate Lazarus laws. So you're 0 for 2 so far.

But please, do continue telling people how this attempted illegal coup is very just and very moral.

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Dirty Yellow Pickles
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Founded: Jun 02, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby Dirty Yellow Pickles » Mon Jul 24, 2017 11:14 am

Nice story EW, you should be writing for the regional newspaper.

Happily you'll not find my name connected to any of this mess, I'm neutral/laughing at everyone.

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Ypeiseacl
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Founded: Jul 02, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby Ypeiseacl » Mon Jul 24, 2017 11:16 am

Killer Kitty wrote:
Pentaga Giudici wrote:
Go look in the mirror then and ban yourself from the region, you are the one who brought in vote stackers first.



You did nothing, they are just freaking out and purging people to purge people.


No one has been "purged". Three people were ejected, and one was banned, all of which is perfectly legal since they've been charged with a crime. Go read the law.

The accusation of "vote staking", while amusing, has no proof, and even if it did have proof, doesn't violate Lazarus laws. So you're 0 for 2 so far.

But please, do continue telling people how this attempted illegal coup is very just and very moral.


Correction, discord ban.

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Killer Kitty
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Killer Kitty » Mon Jul 24, 2017 11:18 am

Ypeiseacl wrote:Correction, discord ban.


Discord is not covered under Lazarus law.

Dirty Yellow Pickles wrote:Nice story EW, you should be writing for the regional newspaper.

Happily you'll not find my name connected to any of this mess, I'm neutral/laughing at everyone.


Yes, I was very pleased when I found out no one had dragged you into this foolishness. You've always been honorable, DYP, and I hope you keep sticking around.

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Dirty Yellow Pickles
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Ex-Nation

Postby Dirty Yellow Pickles » Mon Jul 24, 2017 11:21 am

Killer Kitty wrote:
Ypeiseacl wrote:Correction, discord ban.


Discord is not covered under Lazarus law.

Dirty Yellow Pickles wrote:Nice story EW, you should be writing for the regional newspaper.

Happily you'll not find my name connected to any of this mess, I'm neutral/laughing at everyone.


Yes, I was very pleased when I found out no one had dragged you into this foolishness. You've always been honorable, DYP, and I hope you keep sticking around.

I'd love to. But can I have my admin back? :eyebrow: in case it's not been seen, lamb and EW have been given admin on the Laz forum and myself and Roger have been removed.

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Ikania
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Ikania » Mon Jul 24, 2017 11:22 am

Killer Kitty wrote:
Ikania wrote:What isn't legal or democratic is the complete destruction of the Mandate committed by the incumbent regime, which has overthrown lawful government and proclaimed its own dictatorship. We must now take whatever measures are necessary to restore democracy and the Mandate.


And if we did any of that, you'd have legs to stand on, but none of that has happened.

That is quite literally exactly what you did.
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Pentaga Giudici
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Ex-Nation

Postby Pentaga Giudici » Mon Jul 24, 2017 11:23 am

The fucking president is accusing the entire Senate of attempting a coup, and then putting depriving random people of free speech.

The RMB has new people supporting Funk, but all of them are brand spanking new.

I was banging neutral in this conflict, asking for both sides to have accountability....And I'm being purged...
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I'm surprised too, maybe it's a sign things are looking up.

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The NAtion OF Froggy
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Ex-Nation

Postby The NAtion OF Froggy » Mon Jul 24, 2017 11:31 am

As an outsider and completely neutral party, I am skecptical of screen shots that look cut and pasted together it eliminates context.

Again if its exactly as shown then cool, im not saying im for the other side they still have shown just as little proof.

I mean right now to me, it just looks like a leader and senate (or whatever its called forgive me) that are at odds with eachother and there is no coup just both sides trying to gain the power. Again, I am new to the international scene and gp but I am saying what I like a lot of others are thinking. if not I still think both sides need/ed to show more. Which I hope does come out in time.
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Pentaga Giudici
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Ex-Nation

Postby Pentaga Giudici » Mon Jul 24, 2017 11:36 am

The NAtion OF Froggy wrote:As an outsider and completely neutral party, I am skecptical of screen shots that look cut and pasted together it eliminates context.

Again if its exactly as shown then cool, im not saying im for the other side they still have shown just as little proof.

I mean right now to me, it just looks like a leader and senate (or whatever its called forgive me) that are at odds with eachother and there is no coup just both sides trying to gain the power. Again, I am new to the international scene and gp but I am saying what I like a lot of others are thinking. if not I still think both sides need/ed to show more. Which I hope does come out in time.


Congrats, you understand better what is going on then most people do, good job.
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People talking without speaking. People hearing without listening.

I'm surprised too, maybe it's a sign things are looking up.

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Vuori Kunin-Grrs
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Ex-Nation

Postby Vuori Kunin-Grrs » Mon Jul 24, 2017 11:46 am

The NAtion OF Froggy wrote:As an outsider and completely neutral party, I am skecptical of screen shots that look cut and pasted together it eliminates context.

Again if its exactly as shown then cool, im not saying im for the other side they still have shown just as little proof.

I mean right now to me, it just looks like a leader and senate (or whatever its called forgive me) that are at odds with eachother and there is no coup just both sides trying to gain the power. Again, I am new to the international scene and gp but I am saying what I like a lot of others are thinking. if not I still think both sides need/ed to show more. Which I hope does come out in time.

This would mean tyranny has been conducted on both sides, but the government has conducted an authoritarian action in political oppression.

As an individual, I no longer recognize the current government of Lazarus as legitimate.

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The New California Republic
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby The New California Republic » Mon Jul 24, 2017 11:46 am

I just want to say, for the record, that I have not, do not, and will not support a Coup as a means of seizing power from the legitimate WA Delegate. As a long-term resident of Lazarus, I fully support the current process of ejecting and banning anyone found to be connected to the failed plot. While I had previously endorsed some of the plotters long before this Coup came to light, I would never have done so, had I known their duplicity and treacherous desires. I will continue to support the elected WA Delegate and their appointed officials.
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Pentaga Giudici
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Ex-Nation

Postby Pentaga Giudici » Mon Jul 24, 2017 11:50 am

The New California Republic wrote:I just want to say, for the record, that I have not, do not, and will not support a Coup as a means of seizing power from the legitimate WA Delegate. As a long-term resident of Lazarus, I fully support the current process of ejecting and banning anyone found to be connected to the failed plot. While I had previously endorsed some of the plotters long before this Coup came to light, I would never have done so, had I known their duplicity and treacherous desires. I will continue to support the elected WA Delegate and their appointed officials.


Do you even have the slightest idea what is going on or who any of these people are?

No? No idea? Okay.
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People talking without speaking. People hearing without listening.

I'm surprised too, maybe it's a sign things are looking up.

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The New California Republic
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby The New California Republic » Mon Jul 24, 2017 11:59 am

Pentaga Giudici wrote:Do you even have the slightest idea what is going on or who any of these people are?

No? No idea? Okay.

In fact I do, I do have a good idea about what is going on. You must think that you are some kind of mind reader, if you assume you know what is going on inside my head, as that is the only way that you would know. So you should probably stop that completely unnecessary hostility and sarcasm until you know better. Cool? Cool.
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The Irradiated Wasteland of The New California Republic: depicting the expanded NCR, several years after the total victory over Caesar's Legion, and the annexation of New Vegas and its surrounding areas.

White-collared conservatives flashing down the street
Pointing their plastic finger at me
They're hoping soon, my kind will drop and die
But I'm going to wave my freak flag high
Wave on, wave on
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Thorn1000
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Corporate Police State

Postby Thorn1000 » Mon Jul 24, 2017 11:59 am

Huh, Lazarus seems to be having fun. On a side OP used the light theme, a sin worthy of DOS.
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Pentaga Giudici
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Ex-Nation

Postby Pentaga Giudici » Mon Jul 24, 2017 12:01 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Pentaga Giudici wrote:Do you even have the slightest idea what is going on or who any of these people are?

No? No idea? Okay.

In fact I do, I do have a good idea about what is going on. You must think that you are some kind of mind reader, if you assume you know what is going on inside my head, as that is the only way that you would know. So you should probably stop that completely unnecessary hostility and sarcasm until you know better. Cool? Cool.


Have you been on the Discord or regional forums, are you a citizen or former citizen?
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People talking without speaking. People hearing without listening.

I'm surprised too, maybe it's a sign things are looking up.

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The New California Republic
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby The New California Republic » Mon Jul 24, 2017 12:09 pm

Pentaga Giudici wrote:Have you been on the Discord or regional forums, are you a citizen or former citizen?

I really don't need to. But then again, I really don't feel like I need to answer to you either. After all, how much authority do you have over me? Oh yeah, that's right, none. None. So just chill, and instead of targeting me, go off and do something better with your time. Even if you do reply again, I will just ignore you, so I have effectively made the decision for you. So chill.
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The Irradiated Wasteland of The New California Republic: depicting the expanded NCR, several years after the total victory over Caesar's Legion, and the annexation of New Vegas and its surrounding areas.

White-collared conservatives flashing down the street
Pointing their plastic finger at me
They're hoping soon, my kind will drop and die
But I'm going to wave my freak flag high
Wave on, wave on
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Gatito
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Founded: Jun 17, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Gatito » Mon Jul 24, 2017 12:11 pm

>be me
>delegate of the INWU
>INWU has embassies with both Lazarus and Wintreath
>Wintermoot was part of the conspiracy against Funk

I don't like it when my friends fight.
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Ikania
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Ikania » Mon Jul 24, 2017 12:14 pm

Gatito wrote:>be me
>delegate of the INWU
>INWU has embassies with both Lazarus and Wintreath
>Wintermoot was part of the conspiracy against Funk

I don't like it when my friends fight.

The only conspiracy was on the part of Funk. We have never hidden our intentions to keep our democracy intact.
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Pentaga Giudici
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Ex-Nation

Postby Pentaga Giudici » Mon Jul 24, 2017 12:15 pm

Image of what is going on, that is not spam, please no.

I was just saying the person was talking like he was an active and big part of the region... and was skeptical that they were.
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People talking without speaking. People hearing without listening.

I'm surprised too, maybe it's a sign things are looking up.

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Gatito
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Ex-Nation

Postby Gatito » Mon Jul 24, 2017 12:16 pm

Ikania wrote:
Gatito wrote:>be me
>delegate of the INWU
>INWU has embassies with both Lazarus and Wintreath
>Wintermoot was part of the conspiracy against Funk

I don't like it when my friends fight.

The only conspiracy was on the part of Funk. We have never hidden our intentions to keep our democracy intact.

Then there shouldn't be anything to expose in the first place, right?
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Ikania
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Ikania » Mon Jul 24, 2017 12:23 pm

Gatito wrote:
Ikania wrote:The only conspiracy was on the part of Funk. We have never hidden our intentions to keep our democracy intact.

Then there shouldn't be anything to expose in the first place, right?

Which is why we were always open about the fact that there is a resistance. As I provided in the logs, we have been emphatically against any and all notions of committing a coup or forcibly unseating the Delegate. The greatest fear, which seems to have come true, is that a mole could cherry pick our words and twist them out of context.
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Land Value Tax would fix this
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Petyr
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Founded: May 13, 2015
Father Knows Best State

Postby Petyr » Mon Jul 24, 2017 12:37 pm

Ikania wrote:
Gatito wrote:Then there shouldn't be anything to expose in the first place, right?

Which is why we were always open about the fact that there is a resistance. As I provided in the logs, we have been emphatically against any and all notions of committing a coup or forcibly unseating the Delegate. The greatest fear, which seems to have come true, is that a mole could cherry pick our words and twist them out of context.

The logs indicate you were importing voters or endorsements prior to any ejections? On what grounds was that?

When was the resistance channel established? What events triggered the need for the resistance?

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