The Lazarene Guardian - Sinking Ship Not Sinking, Says Funk

[Fastest Man Alive]

I've got them all figured out.

The puppets, the wolves, or the resistance?

[Durkadurkiranistan II]

I've got them all figured out.

The puppets, the wolves, or the resistance?

I have Curious Observations' IP. It's not who you think it is.

[Solorni]

The puppets, the wolves, or the resistance?

I have Curious Observations' IP. It's not who you think it is.

Is it Robert Fisher?

[RiderSyl]

I've got them all figured out.

The puppets, the wolves, or the resistance?

[Ikania]

The puppets, the wolves, or the resistance?

I have Curious Observations' IP. It's not who you think it is.

You heard it here first, folks: CO is Kirby Delauter.

[The Lazarene Guardian]

The Battle For The Soul Of Lazarus

Written by Seraph, a Lazarene native, as part of his 'Letters From Exile' series. Dispatch version can be found here.

Civil war. A region at war with itself. Former friends, allies and colleagues, now on opposite sides of a deep, often irreparable ideological rift. Civil wars are violent, bloody affairs. Unlike other wars, where armies seek to defend their own nations from harm or to harm regions or nations other than their own, a civil war destroys the very land for which both sides are fighting.

And yet civil wars are often necessary, or, at least, they have been brought about by a desperate need for change in the lands which have been torn apart by them. The English Civil War came about in reaction to the perceived tyranny of King Charles I, whose reign marked a worsening of relations between the sovereign and his people. The American Civil War was fought over the question of slavery and the rights of individual states. Modern civil wars, from the conflict that has been running in Myanmar since 1948, through well-publicised conflicts like that in Syria, to the second Yemeni civil war which has been fought for the last two years, are being fought today for a variety of reasons, but each side has one clear goal in sight: to bring about a vital vision of their land, which they believe can be achieved by no other means.

It is the same in Lazarus. To say that the civil war in Lazarus is mainly being fought with words is in no way to diminish this sense of violent self-destruction. Nor is it the case, as some standing on the fence have suggested, that such a fight is completely unnecessary. The Government, under Funkadelia, clearly believes that those they have labelled as ‘coupers’ are a threat to their power in the region and they want everyone else to believe that also. Similarly, the resistance group that self-identifies as the lawful government of Lazarus believes that the current regime has lost its legitimacy owing to illegal actions, and does not have the best interests of the region at heart. The Regional Message Board of Lazarus has been lit up by the gunfire arguments of these two sides, telegram bombardments have sent the shrapnel of divergent ‘facts’ across the region and many nations with no stake in either party have felt caught up in the middle, the region they love appearing to fall into chaos around them.

But, no matter how many less-active Lazarene natives find the fighting distasteful, there is no denying that this is a battle for the soul of the region and the region will be affected by the outcome. This means that those who claim to have to interest in the civil war, but who have an interest in Lazarus herself, will ultimately find that they must make a decision, one way or another.

So, what are these visions of Lazarus which the two sides are fighting to bring about? What kind of region will the future Lazarus be, if one side wins or the other? What will it feel like? It may be hard to know for sure, but one way of coming to an educated guess would be to look at the tactics, attitudes and characters of the players involved.

The Regime has done a good job of maintaining some level of regional stability throughout this chaos and that might suggest that their future Lazarus is, at the very least, a stable and secure one, if dull and hostile to any challenge of the new ostensible dictatorship Similarly, they have been excellent at communicating their side of the story, ensuring that no one could be in doubt about their position and they have been holding onto their version of the truth quite dogmatically. A future Lazarus under the current regime could be great at reaching out to those nations less involved and maintaining activity, but there’s another side to all this.

The so-called stability of the region has come at the expense of losing a large number of active players from the forumside. Partly this was through a shift in atmosphere which some found uncomfortable or unpleasant - quite a few prominent Lazarenes, such as New Rogernomics, left a while before the current events after experiencing trolling behaviour from Funakdelia and Scum (Lamb Stone) - but many have since been banned outright from the region and their voices choked on the forums under the label of the ‘accused’. It has seen a marked decline in freedom of speech, as those ‘accused’ and those defending them have been suppressed on the RMB and ejected from the region at the earliest opportunity. A radical new constitution has also been rushed through, one which crowns Funkadelia ‘King of the Undead’ - with barely fifteen minutes allowed for debate and despite the remaining Lazarene natives voting ‘Nay’ Oppression like this breeds discontent and rebellion. It has also resulted in the Sovereign and Guardians losing so much influence through banjections that if a serious raider region wanted to mount a coup now, it would be difficult to stop them. So much for stable and secure.

Of course, the region already is full of raider puppets, piling in to keep Funkadelia’s endorsement count high. Combine the relatively short attention spans of such players (including the current Government itself) with the number of actively engaged players who have been banned from the region and suddenly the future of Lazarus’ activity looks seriously in doubt as well.

Overall the tactics and attitudes of the current regime, whilst appearing very positive on the surface (just like Funkadelia’s friendly welcomes) are, in fact, very strong pointers towards an unstable, inactive Lazarus, full of ‘edgy’ trolls and a mere shadow of the kind of warm, friendly region which natives and visitors alike have grown to love.

So what of the Resistance? Their approach to this conflict has been somewhat chaotic and disorganised in comparison (as with any democratic resistance), and if the Government position is to be believed, then they have plotted to destabilise the region and overthrow the legitimate government. If this were true, it would not bode well for the future of the region if they were to win the conflict. However, the proof in this area has been noticeably lacking, and most ‘evidence’ presented by the regime has been dispelled with contextual conversation logs that make government statements against the resistance come off as contrived propaganda.

Whilst it is true that there has been a lack of strong leadership on the Resistance side of things (when compared to the firmly entrenched triumvirate currently ruling), if anything, this is a sign of the earnest nature of their campaign. If they are to be believed, then here is a group of eager friends, wrong-footed by a Sovereign who moved quicker than they had anticipated and who have been rushing to catch up ever since.

But this isn’t about what either side has said, so what do their tactics, characters and attitudes to the region tell us about their vision of Lazarus?

Well, firstly, at no point did any of the formerly elected officials use their powers to enact their vision before they were ejected by the current regime. Instead, the Resistance have been making earnest pleas for support from the start, focussing on natives and those with a direct interest and previous citizenship in the region, rather than recruiting temporary support from other regions. They have focused on the importance of maintaining and building culture, even whilst in exile, and have shown a dedication to the region which has kept them fighting even when it has seemed that the regime might be unstoppable and region after [predominantly raider] region has recognised them as the legitimate government of Lazarus, condemning the resistance as ‘coupers’ despite a paucity of evidence. These are not the actions of traitorous coupers, but of players who love Lazarus and want to see it freed from the ‘Funk’ of corruption and decay. Their actions point to a vision of Lazarus in greater continuity with where the region was before this all started than the supposed ‘legitimate government’, which has always appeared to have continuity on its side.

The choice, therefore, is plain, though it has been carefully concealed amidst the fallout of civil war. Will you back the Government, an enemy of free speech supported by raider pilers that has wasted all its influence on silencing opponents and has pushed real native talent out of the region with childish trolling, or will you back the Resistance, supported by natives and those with a genuine and caring concern for the region, who want Lazarus to return to the active, welcoming region it has been known as?

The sooner you make your decision, the less damage will be done to the region in the long term, so, please, feel for the truth, and you’ll find that it has been there all along.

[Escade]

Well-written and insightful commentary. I wish I could reach this level of elegance.

[Cormactopia Prime]

Instead, the Resistance have been making earnest pleas for support from the start, focussing on natives and those with a direct interest and previous citizenship in the region, rather than recruiting temporary support from other regions.

This is laughable coming from someone from the South Pacific who, by his own admission, was recruited back to Lazarus by the "resistance" for the purpose of voting with them and against Funkadelia, et al. Are we supposed to think he isn't "temporary support from other regions"? When there is this flagrant a lie contained in this opinion piece, the rest of it must also be regarded with extreme skepticism.

[Erinor]

Instead, the Resistance have been making earnest pleas for support from the start, focussing on natives and those with a direct interest and previous citizenship in the region, rather than recruiting temporary support from other regions.

This is laughable coming from someone from the South Pacific who, by his own admission, was recruited back to Lazarus by the "resistance" for the purpose of voting with them and against Funkadelia, et al. Are we supposed to think he isn't "temporary support from other regions"? When there is this flagrant a lie contained in this opinion piece, the rest of it must also be regarded with extreme skepticism.

Actually, I was invited back to Lazarus after a rather brief absence brought about because I didn't like where Lamb and Funk were taking the tone of the region, but didn't, at that point, think that things would escalate the way they did. Equally, who said my support was temporary?

And even if you were correct, and I had shamelessly distorted the truth in this regard (which, to the best of my knowledge, I have not), that's not how truth and falsehoods work. A lie isn't a rotten apple. It's not going to suddenly make the other statements any more or less true than they were to begin with. If you're going to discredit the article, at least have the decency to address its points, rather than tar it
all on the basis of your understandable, but incorrect assumptions.

[United Federated States of Omega]

I've said this many times before and I will say it again, it has been a pleasure to get to read Seraph's work and it was amazing when I got to work with him at SPN last year. He is such a talented writer and I hope he keeps writing about whatever he is passionate for.

[The Lazarene Guardian]

Logging Industry Booming
You asked for it, and here it is!

STEP RIGHT UP, ONE AND ALL, and get yourselves a look at what total transparency looks like. While some regime elements have accused the lawful Lazarene government of plotting a coup (which, as it is now blatantly obvious to anyone with half a brain, they were not) against their motherland, the government has always maintained is position that this is, in fact, a lie. However, facing accusations of non-transparency is always a little troubling for a government that insists on total and complete honesty.

Therefore, the government has decided to release full, unlimited logs from the server originally known as 'La Résistance', from the beginning of the political crisis in Lazarus to the modern day. That's right- big, long, and uncut. You'll see personal opinions here. Perhaps some revelations. Spicy drama! And annoying prickishness.

If you would like to visit the democratic underground's resistance server (read-only), the link is right here.

Alternatively, for those who would rather just do a trawl, there's that too.

We welcome all skeptics to browse, and see that, from the very start, this effort was about preserving the legal and democratic government of Lazarus. Perhaps this log, from the very first day of the movement, will sum it up best:



We look forward to the regime's attempts to cherry pick from these logs, but anyone who cares to go in-depth will indeed get the full context of any possible statement made. We also eagerly anticipate the negotiations that they said they would consider should we release these.

[Kanglia]

Preemptive warning,you will see a good amount of annoying prickishness

[Ikania]

Ctrl+F 'cunt' exposes the personality of 'Tired Ike' and what he says when he gets grumpy and emotional

[The Noble Thatcherites]

Annoying Prickishness is an understatement.

[Canton Empire]

[4:36 PM] Ike: Delay like you're Mitch McConnell and 4 votes short

OH. MY. GOD.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

I mean, without reading stuff yet - anyone who has reason to say "we aren't throwing a coup" is probably suspect of throwing a coup. At least that's the logic you're using on Funk right?

[Killer Kitty]

[11:48 PM] Ike: It's gone beyond 'voting bloc', we're organizing for action now
[11:48 PM] Ike: It gives more credence to his idea of a conspiracy if we remain low profile, doesn't it?
[11:49 PM] Lenlyvit: ^ I will sign Ike
[11:49 PM] Morozovia: I'll sign
[11:49 PM] Ike: I don't want to produce a public decree if we can't all agree on it, so let's give some time for everyone to give their input
[11:49 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Let's at least wait
[11:49 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Yeah
[11:50 PM] harmoneia: It's gone beyond 'voting bloc', we're organizing for action now <- definition of conspiracy

I love this thread so, so much.

Thank you for posting that, now no one can argue that we made anything up. And as far as "cheery picking? Hard to make that claim when the full text is out there. I have so many favorite quotes now.

[5:36 PM] Ike: Things to note:
[5:37 PM] Ike: 1. Funk has broken the law and is trying to game our democracy to puppet Lazarus for him, Lamb and their LWU buddies
[5:37 PM] Ike: 2. We're organizing a means to stop this and get him and his cronies out of office as soon as we can
[5:37 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Can we really be so decisive on "he's broken the law"?
[5:37 PM] Ark: We can.
[5:38 PM] Ike: Well, it's our working assumption
[5:38 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): He may have broken the law, we don't know because we have no prelates :stuck_out_tongue:
[5:38 PM] Ike: >_>
[5:38 PM] Ark: We don't have the burden of evidence, but we all know he's done it. Evidence is the key there.
[5:38 PM] Svezjacael: We have no prelates
[5:38 PM] Svezjacael: We
[5:38 PM] Svezjacael: What
[5:38 PM] Ike: We have evidence right out in the open
[5:38 PM] Ark: @Svezjacael we dot have any prelates who are valid atm
[5:38 PM] Svezjacael: ...
[5:39 PM] Ark: Omega has chosen to recuse every case brought before the court in order to stall the LWU peeps
[5:39 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I refused to assent to KK
[5:39 PM] Ark: It's a good thing, kinda
[5:39 PM] Svezjacael: I'm studying for two weeks, and Lazarus is fracturing. sigh what're the LWU doing about it?
[5:39 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Then there's a legal inquiry where either decision would make a prelate or two illegal
[5:39 PM] Ark: Bending the law.
[5:39 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): ^
[5:40 PM] Morozovia: We'll need some sort of backing to back up our recall... or else its just a post saying we dont like how he and people who voted his policys are running Lazarus democracy
[5:40 PM] Ark: And we need you in the legislative, throwing as many wrenches in their legislation as you can Svez.
[5:40 PM] Ike: We should start compiling evidence
[5:40 PM] Ark: Atlántica and I can pretty easily cripple the Executive.
[5:40 PM] Ike: How so?
[5:40 PM] Svezjacael: Convenor at service. Question. Can I recall deputy convenors?
[5:40 PM] Omega: Someone asked if we should blow up the point of order and yes we should
[5:40 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): yes
[5:40 PM] Omega: Yes anytime
[5:41 PM] Svezjacael: Are 13th &/or Tom on Funk's side?
[5:41 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Tom is
[5:41 PM] Morozovia: We all should right now then
[5:41 PM] Ike: 13th is a tricky one
[5:41 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): The13th is basically an innocent child :stuck_out_tongue:
[5:41 PM] Morozovia: Poor guy(edited)
[5:41 PM] Svezjacael: I'll recall deputies under the guise of "the unstable situation"
[5:41 PM] Omega: Okay sounds good
[5:42 PM] Ike: Who are the deputies?
[5:42 PM] Omega: 13th, and tom??
[5:42 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): They're like your little servants, you can do whatever you want with them and no one can complain :stuck_out_tongue:
[5:42 PM] Omega: Well no one should complain
[5:42 PM] Svezjacael: Well, not whatever lmao
[5:42 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): yay making the goverrnment even more unstable >.>
[5:42 PM] Omega: It will force them to coup
[5:42 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): hey, I used to keep mine in the pantry....
[5:42 PM] Ike: It forces their hand, eh?
[5:42 PM] Omega: Yep

So many broken laws. <3

[Ikania]

[11:48 PM] Ike: It's gone beyond 'voting bloc', we're organizing for action now
[11:48 PM] Ike: It gives more credence to his idea of a conspiracy if we remain low profile, doesn't it?
[11:49 PM] Lenlyvit: ^ I will sign Ike
[11:49 PM] Morozovia: I'll sign
[11:49 PM] Ike: I don't want to produce a public decree if we can't all agree on it, so let's give some time for everyone to give their input
[11:49 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Let's at least wait
[11:49 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Yeah
[11:50 PM] harmoneia: It's gone beyond 'voting bloc', we're organizing for action now <- definition of conspiracy

[11:50 PM] Ike: @harmoneia Okay, fair enough :stuck_out_tongue:
[11:51 PM] Ike: But this won't demand any resignations or make any accusations. It will simply state that Killer Kitty illegitimately occupies the position of Holy Prelate

Political action, of course.

And yes, who would've guessed that we concluded you broke the law when you illegally tried to accept cases as a Prelate when you weren't formally appointed?

[Canton Empire]

[11:48 PM] Ike: It's gone beyond 'voting bloc', we're organizing for action now
[11:48 PM] Ike: It gives more credence to his idea of a conspiracy if we remain low profile, doesn't it?
[11:49 PM] Lenlyvit: ^ I will sign Ike
[11:49 PM] Morozovia: I'll sign
[11:49 PM] Ike: I don't want to produce a public decree if we can't all agree on it, so let's give some time for everyone to give their input
[11:49 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Let's at least wait
[11:49 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Yeah
[11:50 PM] harmoneia: It's gone beyond 'voting bloc', we're organizing for action now <- definition of conspiracy

I love this thread so, so much.

Thank you for posting that, now no one can argue that we made anything up. And as far as "cheery picking? Hard to make that claim when the full text is out there. I have so many favorite quotes now.

[5:36 PM] Ike: Things to note:
[5:37 PM] Ike: 1. Funk has broken the law and is trying to game our democracy to puppet Lazarus for him, Lamb and their LWU buddies
[5:37 PM] Ike: 2. We're organizing a means to stop this and get him and his cronies out of office as soon as we can
[5:37 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Can we really be so decisive on "he's broken the law"?
[5:37 PM] Ark: We can.
[5:38 PM] Ike: Well, it's our working assumption
[5:38 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): He may have broken the law, we don't know because we have no prelates :stuck_out_tongue:
[5:38 PM] Ike: >_>
[5:38 PM] Ark: We don't have the burden of evidence, but we all know he's done it. Evidence is the key there.
[5:38 PM] Svezjacael: We have no prelates
[5:38 PM] Svezjacael: We
[5:38 PM] Svezjacael: What
[5:38 PM] Ike: We have evidence right out in the open
[5:38 PM] Ark: @Svezjacael we dot have any prelates who are valid atm
[5:38 PM] Svezjacael: ...
[5:39 PM] Ark: Omega has chosen to recuse every case brought before the court in order to stall the LWU peeps
[5:39 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): I refused to assent to KK
[5:39 PM] Ark: It's a good thing, kinda
[5:39 PM] Svezjacael: I'm studying for two weeks, and Lazarus is fracturing. sigh what're the LWU doing about it?
[5:39 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Then there's a legal inquiry where either decision would make a prelate or two illegal
[5:39 PM] Ark: Bending the law.
[5:39 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): ^
[5:40 PM] Morozovia: We'll need some sort of backing to back up our recall... or else its just a post saying we dont like how he and people who voted his policys are running Lazarus democracy
[5:40 PM] Ark: And we need you in the legislative, throwing as many wrenches in their legislation as you can Svez.
[5:40 PM] Ike: We should start compiling evidence
[5:40 PM] Ark: Atlántica and I can pretty easily cripple the Executive.
[5:40 PM] Ike: How so?
[5:40 PM] Svezjacael: Convenor at service. Question. Can I recall deputy convenors?
[5:40 PM] Omega: Someone asked if we should blow up the point of order and yes we should
[5:40 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): yes
[5:40 PM] Omega: Yes anytime
[5:41 PM] Svezjacael: Are 13th &/or Tom on Funk's side?
[5:41 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): Tom is
[5:41 PM] Morozovia: We all should right now then
[5:41 PM] Ike: 13th is a tricky one
[5:41 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): The13th is basically an innocent child :stuck_out_tongue:
[5:41 PM] Morozovia: Poor guy(edited)
[5:41 PM] Svezjacael: I'll recall deputies under the guise of "the unstable situation"
[5:41 PM] Omega: Okay sounds good
[5:42 PM] Ike: Who are the deputies?
[5:42 PM] Omega: 13th, and tom??
[5:42 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): They're like your little servants, you can do whatever you want with them and no one can complain :stuck_out_tongue:
[5:42 PM] Omega: Well no one should complain
[5:42 PM] Svezjacael: Well, not whatever lmao
[5:42 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): yay making the goverrnment even more unstable >.>
[5:42 PM] Omega: It will force them to coup
[5:42 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): hey, I used to keep mine in the pantry....
[5:42 PM] Ike: It forces their hand, eh?
[5:42 PM] Omega: Yep

So many broken laws. <3

Actually it looks like they were trying to bait you into a coup and you took it.

[Roavin]

More like the assumption was that it was about a power grab and not about Lazarus so they'd have to coup if they wanted to stay in power.

Which is ... literally what they did.

How nice that everybody can ctrl+F to disprove pretty much all of the Gang of Three's BS accusations. A great move by the resistance!

[Drasnia]

More like the assumption was that it was about a power grab and not about Lazarus so they'd have to coup if they wanted to stay in power.

Which is ... literally what they did.

How nice that everybody can ctrl+F to disprove pretty much all of the Gang of Three's BS accusations. A great move by the resistance!

I enjoy this growing logging industry. It allows for tyrants to be cut down and go timber.

[Killer Kitty]

Actually it looks like they were trying to bait you into a coup and you took it.

It looks like they were violating the laws regarding Treason, High Treason, and Conspiracy, and hoped that if we caught them they could just say Funk coup'd, which is exactly what they did when they got caught.

We were 100% correct to charge them with a crime and our actions were within the law for the purposes of keeping the regional security of Lazarus.

Personally, I enjoy the quote where they seek outside support for their "not a coup" effort.

[11:21 PM] Omega: Do you want to get TSP involved?
[11:21 PM] Ike: Yes, we do
[11:21 PM] Ark: When the time comes, we need TSP endos.
[11:21 PM] Ike: Indeed
[11:21 PM] Ike: And Roavin is with us in spirit

[11:19 PM] Ark: Thanks to my purposefully messy job as FA Archbishop, Funk will have few allies this go-around, and not even the Native Lazarenes are on his side.
[11:19 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): not yet ofc, just in case of action
[11:19 PM] Ark: Yeah.
[11:19 PM] Ike: I love the irony of the FA Archbishop actively working against the Delegate to save the region
[11:19 PM] Omega: I like how APU sounds...
[11:20 PM] Ike: Lenlyvit Are you an LCA soldier or the actual commander?
[11:20 PM] Atlantica: I'm still a member of the Red Fleet, but I'm not an officer so I really don't know the inner workings of TRF. However, I would guess that they would remain neutral simply because they don't meddle in the affairs of regions that aren't socialist/leftist or aren't fascist/enemies of TRF/engaging in anti-communist action/regions TRF perceives as fascist that others may not necessarily view as fascist (e.g., THE TRUMP WARRIORS)
[11:20 PM] Lenlyvit: Som is commander(edited)
[11:20 PM] Ark: It'll be nice to come full circle. I was there when UDS' military was formed, now its helping with a GCR overthrow :stuck_out_tongue:
[11:20 PM] Lenlyvit: Also, ill speak to Kortexia
[11:20 PM] Kanglia: You'd be impressed with UDS military Ark, :stuck_out_tongue:
[11:20 PM] Lenlyvit: From TITO
[11:20 PM] Ike: Think we could exchange any kind of pledge to support their anti-fascist efforts in exchange for support?
[11:20 PM] Ark: That's good to hear, Kanglia.
[11:20 PM] Ike: They'd be super useful as the largest red raiders in the game
[11:21 PM] Ark: Ike, good idea.
[11:21 PM] Omega: Do you want to get TSP involved?
[11:21 PM] Ike: Yes, we do
[11:21 PM] Ark: When the time comes, we need TSP endos.
[11:21 PM] Ike: Indeed
[11:21 PM] Ike: And Roavin is with us in spirit
[11:21 PM] Lenlyvit: Ill get TITO
[11:21 PM] Ark: We just have to hope Yuno won't screw us over.
[11:21 PM] Atlantica: They assisted in the liberation of Lazarus from the NLO in 2015, but that's probably only because Lazarus was under the PRL at the time
[11:21 PM] Ark: Good.
[11:21 PM] Kanglia: She won't
[11:21 PM] Lenlyvit: Yuno won't
[11:21 PM] Ike: I don't think she would
[11:21 PM] Kanglia: I have confidence in Yuno

Oh, will you look at that? TSP knew about their plan the entire time and never informed us, which is yet another Treaty violation committed by TSP. I guess they were breaking their Treaty with Lazarus weeks before Funk ever took any action against the coup.

[Ikania]

More like the assumption was that it was about a power grab and not about Lazarus so they'd have to coup if they wanted to stay in power.

Which is ... literally what they did.

How nice that everybody can ctrl+F to disprove pretty much all of the Gang of Three's BS accusations. A great move by the resistance!

I enjoy this growing logging industry. It allows for tyrants to be cut down and go timber.

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Actually it looks like they were trying to bait you into a coup and you took it.

It looks like they were violating the laws regarding Treason, High Treason, and Conspiracy, and hoped that if we caught them they could just say Funk coup'd, which is exactly what they did when they got caught.

We were 100% correct to charge them with a crime and our actions were within the law for the purposes of keeping the regional security of Lazarus.

Personally, I enjoy the quote where they seek outside support for their "not a coup" effort.

[11:21 PM] Omega: Do you want to get TSP involved?
[11:21 PM] Ike: Yes, we do
[11:21 PM] Ark: When the time comes, we need TSP endos.
[11:21 PM] Ike: Indeed
[11:21 PM] Ike: And Roavin is with us in spirit

[11:19 PM] Ark: Thanks to my purposefully messy job as FA Archbishop, Funk will have few allies this go-around, and not even the Native Lazarenes are on his side.
[11:19 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): not yet ofc, just in case of action
[11:19 PM] Ark: Yeah.
[11:19 PM] Ike: I love the irony of the FA Archbishop actively working against the Delegate to save the region
[11:19 PM] Omega: I like how APU sounds...
[11:20 PM] Ike: Lenlyvit Are you an LCA soldier or the actual commander?
[11:20 PM] Atlantica: I'm still a member of the Red Fleet, but I'm not an officer so I really don't know the inner workings of TRF. However, I would guess that they would remain neutral simply because they don't meddle in the affairs of regions that aren't socialist/leftist or aren't fascist/enemies of TRF/engaging in anti-communist action/regions TRF perceives as fascist that others may not necessarily view as fascist (e.g., THE TRUMP WARRIORS)
[11:20 PM] Lenlyvit: Som is commander(edited)
[11:20 PM] Ark: It'll be nice to come full circle. I was there when UDS' military was formed, now its helping with a GCR overthrow :stuck_out_tongue:
[11:20 PM] Lenlyvit: Also, ill speak to Kortexia
[11:20 PM] Kanglia: You'd be impressed with UDS military Ark, :stuck_out_tongue:
[11:20 PM] Lenlyvit: From TITO
[11:20 PM] Ike: Think we could exchange any kind of pledge to support their anti-fascist efforts in exchange for support?
[11:20 PM] Ark: That's good to hear, Kanglia.
[11:20 PM] Ike: They'd be super useful as the largest red raiders in the game
[11:21 PM] Ark: Ike, good idea.
[11:21 PM] Omega: Do you want to get TSP involved?
[11:21 PM] Ike: Yes, we do
[11:21 PM] Ark: When the time comes, we need TSP endos.
[11:21 PM] Ike: Indeed
[11:21 PM] Ike: And Roavin is with us in spirit
[11:21 PM] Lenlyvit: Ill get TITO
[11:21 PM] Ark: We just have to hope Yuno won't screw us over.
[11:21 PM] Atlantica: They assisted in the liberation of Lazarus from the NLO in 2015, but that's probably only because Lazarus was under the PRL at the time
[11:21 PM] Ark: Good.
[11:21 PM] Kanglia: She won't
[11:21 PM] Lenlyvit: Yuno won't
[11:21 PM] Ike: I don't think she would
[11:21 PM] Kanglia: I have confidence in Yuno

Oh, will you look at that? TSP knew about their plan the entire time and never informed us, which is yet another Treaty violation committed by TSP. I guess they were breaking their Treaty with Lazarus weeks before Funk ever took any action against the coup.

And yet again, we see planning for the eventuality that you would perform a coup, which you ended up doing.

[10:12 PM] Vapid: funk is probably going to try to coup within the week if he's going to
[10:12 PM] Vapid: We need to make our propaganda impact
[10:12 PM] Ike: I don't know if he will. He might soon estimate that he doesn't need to, having the votes he does
[10:12 PM] Vapid: Fair enough
[10:13 PM] Vapid: In that case, we might need to force a coup, if the importation is too grave
[10:13 PM] Ike: Force one by him? Or pre-emptive action?
[10:13 PM] Vapid: Depends
[10:13 PM] Vapid: Forcing one would be difficult
[10:13 PM] Vapid: but would be better for PR
[10:14 PM] Vapid: Funk is not stupid
[10:14 PM] Vapid: unlike many people in here would assume
[10:14 PM] Ike: Pre-emptive action isn't viable
[10:14 PM] Ark: Too bad there's no way to resolve things without some kind of problem.
[10:14 PM] Ike: It's illegal and loses us legitimacy
[10:14 PM] Ike: We need confrontation and we've been building up to it so far
[10:14 PM] Ike: But it's anyone's guess as to who will blink first
[10:18 PM] Vapid: It's a shame that we're in this position
[10:18 PM] Vapid: because all funk has to do to win
[10:18 PM] Vapid: is get enough voters(edited)
[10:18 PM] Vapid: and not confront
[10:19 PM] Ike: We've imposed some disadvantageous limits on ourselves, but it's what we have to do in order to keep our legitimacy.

[Aumelodia]

[5:42 PM] Somyrion (Aumelodia): yay making the goverrnment even more unstable >.>

Looks like someone can't tell sarcasm when it hits him in the face.

[Roavin]

Oh, will you look at that? TSP knew about their plan the entire time and never informed us, which is yet another Treaty violation committed by TSP. I guess they were breaking their Treaty with Lazarus weeks before Funk ever took any action against the coup.

Ah you're doing that thing where you're claiming something about logs that don't actually contain what you're saying at all to reach those people too lazy to actually read the logs.