Embassy of the South Pacific

[Kylia Quilor]

TSP's rhetoric is full of Defender moralism - that is, the moralistic nonsensical langauge defenders love.

[Roavin]

Aaand again. We have members that are defenders, and generally can be reasonably perceived to have a defender-y slant culturally. Still, TSP is not a defender region, and claims to the contrary are provably false, given the immense amount of tagging plus the recent occupation with TNP. Blah blah blah. Insert dead horse beating emoji here.

I'm amazed y'all don't get bored of this.

[Kylia Quilor]

Aaand again. We have members that are defenders, and generally can be reasonably perceived to have a defender-y slant culturally. Still, TSP is not a defender region, and claims to the contrary are provably false, given the immense amount of tagging plus the recent occupation with TNP. Blah blah blah. Insert dead horse beating emoji here.

I'm amazed y'all don't get bored of this.

I didn't say TSP was a defender region. I said it was full of defender Moralism. As did McChimp.

[McChimp]

I didn't say TSP was a defender region. I said it was full of defender Moralism. As did McChimp.

I think I did say it was a defender region. Honestly, if it isn't you wouldn't know from their forum presence.

[Glen-Rhodes]

It's possible to walk and chew gum at the same time

But that makes you less focused, and therefore less effective, at doing each. You also don't need to be chewing gum.

Why aren't you giving all of your attention to TNP? Can't possibly be the best citizen you can if you're here taking 30 seconds to post in NSGP!!

/s

[The North Polish Union]

But that makes you less focused, and therefore less effective, at doing each. You also don't need to be chewing gum.

Why aren't you giving all of your attention to TNP? Can't possibly be the best citizen you can if you're here taking 30 seconds to post in NSGP!!

/s

I see what you're getting at but you're missing the point of my post entirely.

[Lands of Anarchy]

But that makes you less focused, and therefore less effective, at doing each. You also don't need to be chewing gum.

Why aren't you giving all of your attention to TNP? Can't possibly be the best citizen you can if you're here taking 30 seconds to post in NSGP!!

/s

Your not wrong, though. I could have done something with the time I'm currently wasting.

[Glen-Rhodes]

Why aren't you giving all of your attention to TNP? Can't possibly be the best citizen you can if you're here taking 30 seconds to post in NSGP!!

/s

I see what you're getting at but you're missing the point of my post entirely.

I'm actually not at all. It's an amateur counter-argument, and not even done all that well. Because you can't successfully retort, you resort to a flimsy fallacy as a springboard for saying Escade is somehow neglecting TSP's alliances. Which, of course, has absolutely nothing to do with your initial (wrong) argument that TSP has "regressed." You just need to deflect, because with TSP forming two new alliances, your original attack on Escade's tenure as MoFA falls apart. Of course, that deflection is killed before you even uttered it, for the very same reason.

[The North Polish Union]

My point was more that if Escade genuinely believes GP is stifling she would better spend her time discussing TSP policy offsite to non-stifling individuals than here to stifling individuals. By agreeing to spend time being stifled, Escade also implicitly agrees to spend less time offsite being productive.

Even if we accept the claim that Escade's term as MoFA has been successful (and I make no claims either way on that) I think we can all agree that her term would be even better were she to avoid such a stifling environment.

If TSP has formed two new alliances while Escade is being stifled, why could it not have formed four or even five had she not been?

[Reploid Productions]

WARNING! WARNING! DANGEROUS SODIUM CHLORIDE LEVELS DETECTED! ALL PERSONNEL PLEASE TAKE APPROPRIATE SAFETY MEASURES TO REDUCE SODIUM CHLORIDE CONCENTRATIONS IN THE AREA!

Seriously. Escade, McChimp in particular, the sniping (particularly bits like the "Petty Squad" or "average eleven-year-old" cracks) is sneaking uncomfortably close to mods-gotta-butt-in levels. I would seriously recommend making use of the Foe list, or otherwise actively making the choice not to respond to people who you know get you all riled up.


~Evil Forum Empress Rep Prod the Ninja Mod
~She who wields the Banhammer; master of the mighty moderation no-dachi Kiritateru Teikoku

[Escade]

WARNING! WARNING! DANGEROUS SODIUM CHLORIDE LEVELS DETECTED! ALL PERSONNEL PLEASE TAKE APPROPRIATE SAFETY MEASURES TO REDUCE SODIUM CHLORIDE CONCENTRATIONS IN THE AREA!

Seriously. Escade, McChimp in particular, the sniping (particularly bits like the "Petty Squad" or "average eleven-year-old" cracks) is sneaking uncomfortably close to mods-gotta-butt-in levels. I would seriously recommend making use of the Foe list, or otherwise actively making the choice not to respond to people who you know get you all riled up.

(Image)
~Evil Forum Empress Rep Prod the Ninja Mod
~She who wields the Banhammer; master of the mighty moderation no-dachi Kiritateru Teikoku

Sorry, moderation and in general. I think NSGP is probably getting to me and I need a break from this thread and things.

[Tim Stark]

doesn't spsf raid with lily? Im confused. Their reports have spsf in them.

They do, very actively. TBH, and Souls in particular, have made it very clear that for some reason or another they don't consider Lily "real raiders". Personally, sounds to me like a slippery slope to purism.

The Black Hawks are clearly grumpy that TSP is too strong for them to just bully around like they did with the TWPAF/EPSA a few months back, and people tend to lash out in their failure. Maybe they're just jealous that SPSF likes working with fun raiders like Lily instead of them.

TSP's rhetoric is full of Defender moralism - that is, the moralistic nonsensical langauge defenders love.

Europeia's rhetoric is full of Independent dogma - that is, the faux-intellectual nonsensical language Independents love.

Wow, so that's what it feels like to argue like one of y'all. Gross.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

doesn't spsf raid with lily? Im confused. Their reports have spsf in them.

They do, very actively. TBH, and Souls in particular, have made it very clear that for some reason or another they don't consider Lily "real raiders". Personally, sounds to me like a slippery slope to purism.

The Black Hawks are clearly grumpy that TSP is too strong for them to just bully around like they did with the TWPAF/EPSA a few months back, and people tend to lash out in their failure. Maybe they're just jealous that SPSF likes working with fun raiders like Lily instead of them.

TSP's rhetoric is full of Defender moralism - that is, the moralistic nonsensical langauge defenders love.

Europeia's rhetoric is full of Independent dogma - that is, the faux-intellectual nonsensical language Independents love.

Wow, so that's what it feels like to argue like one of y'all. Gross.

On the contrary, Lily has made quite clear to us themselves that they are not raiders. No need for us to assign that label on to them.

I'll let Greyghost or someone come in and comment on the rest

[Tim Stark]

On the contrary, Lily has made quite clear to us themselves that they are not raiders. No need for us to assign that label on to them.

I dunno, some of what you've said about 'em seems to go deeper than that. Fair play, though, I wasn't aware they didn't classify as raider. They certainly raid a lot for not being so

I'll let Greyghost or someone come in and comment on the rest

Hey man, the logs say it all.

[Greyghost]

The Black Hawks are clearly grumpy that TSP is too strong for them to just bully around like they did with the TWPAF/EPSA a few months back, and people tend to lash out in their failure. Maybe they're just jealous that SPSF likes working with fun raiders like Lily instead of them.

Wow, so that's what it feels like to argue like one of y'all. Gross.

*squints and blinks* I- what...? Did you mean TWPAF as an org and just mentioned EPSA because there is a bit of an unofficial merge there or did you honestly mean to include EPSA? I can't speak on behalf of TWPAF, but I can assure you no one has ever "bullied" me around in the EPSA.

[Tim Stark]

The Black Hawks are clearly grumpy that TSP is too strong for them to just bully around like they did with the TWPAF/EPSA a few months back, and people tend to lash out in their failure. Maybe they're just jealous that SPSF likes working with fun raiders like Lily instead of them.

Wow, so that's what it feels like to argue like one of y'all. Gross.

*squints and blinks* I- what...? Did you mean TWPAF as an org and just mentioned EPSA because there is a bit of an unofficial merge there or did you honestly mean to include EPSA? I can't speak on behalf of TWPAF, but I can assure you no one has ever "bullied" me around in the EPSA.

Yeah, I lumped the two due to the TWP/TEP treaty's semi-merge of them in that joint operations server.

[Chingis]

Can confirm that we're quasi-independent rather than raider, though unaligned may be a better term considering the rage boner that Sygian popped last time Liliarchy called us independent. That being said, SPSF tags with us very actively, in the face of Yuno, who often tags with other regions, and also SPSFers who had been almost purely defenders up to when they started tagging with us (the individuals not the org). It appears that unlike some people, SPSF can clearly discern that they are playing a game, and the point is to have fun. It's a shame that other orgs have been unable to draw this line, as it turns out "independents", like SPSF are really good raiders when they get around to it, and super fun to update with.

[Cormactopia Prime]

doesn't spsf raid with lily? Im confused. Their reports have spsf in them.

They do, very actively. TBH, and Souls in particular, have made it very clear that for some reason or another they don't consider Lily "real raiders". Personally, sounds to me like a slippery slope to purism.

I mean, they just participated in the liberation of Japan, so I don't think anyone thinks they're real raiders at this point. Raiders don't defend except -- for some -- under exceptional circumstances, like Nazis being the invading force, or a raider region being invaded. Japan was neither.

It isn't "purism" to say that a region engaging in liberations isn't raider. It's just, y'know, the definition of raider. If anyone can be raider just by calling themselves that, the label has no meaning. All alignments have defining parameters, outside which a person or region isn't part of that alignment.

Chingis just confirmed that Lily isn't raider, so I have no idea why you took this "purism" pot shot. TBH is hardly Cora, and shame on you for insinuating it.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

Chingis just confirmed that Lily isn't raider, so I have no idea why you took this "purism" pot shot. TBH is hardly Cora, and shame on you for insinuating it.

When we're filthy moderates to the extreme raiders for daring to consider some politics and regional structure, as well as horrible no-fun purists to the defenders for not working with our enemies on the battlefield, I tend to arrive at the conclusion that we're striking exactly the right balance in alignment.

[Tim-Opolis]

Chingis just confirmed that Lily isn't raider, so I have no idea why you took this "purism" pot shot.

Because if we look at the chronological order of posts, it is rather clear that said confirmation came after that. My apologies, though, next time I'll go into the future and find out what Chingis is going to say before I make posts.

[Jakker]

Chingis just confirmed that Lily isn't raider, so I have no idea why you took this "purism" pot shot.

Because if we look at the chronological order of posts, it is rather clear that said confirmation came after that. My apologies, though, next time I'll go into the future and find out what Chingis is going to say before I make posts.

Therefore, you are trying to argue that you didn't know that Lily does not identify as raider, which is silly. You were just trying to make a meaningless jab at TBH and failed in everything except for posting something meaningless. Better luck next time

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

*reads above*

... is it always this way?

[Reploid Productions]

*reads above*

... is it always this way?

Based on my lurking Gameplay the past few weeks, it certainly seems that way.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

*reads above*

... is it always this way?

Based on my lurking Gameplay the past few weeks, it certainly seems that way.

I'm disappointed.

This is TSP! The best, most fun region in the game, and there isn't any fun or silliness here? Only arguing?

[Roavin]

Based on my lurking Gameplay the past few weeks, it certainly seems that way.

I'm disappointed.

This is TSP! The best, most fun region in the game, and there isn't any fun or silliness here? Only arguing?

The peeps here just don't know what they're missing out on!

TSP is best.