Embassy of the South Pacific

[Qvait]

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Okay, here are the facts that I will use to respond to not only the post above but also posts made in NSGP Discord. We, TSP, privately offered XKI our support because that is what allies do, and we informed them that we were considering making a statement of support. However, XKI suggested a joint statement, and we accepted their offer. Why? Because that is what allies do. TEP and XKI, our closest allies, were deceived by TBH. Are we gonna make a statement about it? You're damn right.

As for your rhetorical question about our agenda, it's not a secret that we would prefer that no one collaborates with TBH. That is common sense. We have a proscription against them because of their patterned attempts to undermine the sovereignty of the South Pacific. It doesn't take much thought that, if TBH is willing to go to such lengths with us, they would be willing to do the same with other regions.

[Wascoitan]

It doesn't take much thought that, if TBH is willing to go to such lengths with us, they would be willing to do the same with other regions.

ah yes because if we do something against the people who actively oppose us clearly it also makes sense for us to do something against the people we are allies with. cause that's how logic works, if you punch your enemy you must also punch your ally.

[A Bloodred Moon]

More like TSP had the right to be upset over vote stacking in OWL. Clearly just "blowing things out of proportion".

The fact that you refer to two private individuals excercising their right to vote in manner that violated no apparent law as “votestacking” indeed demonstrates that TSP desperately sought to blow it out of proportion.

You also forgot to mention that some of TBH's leadership participated in subversion plots against TSP.

You are correct, I should have mentioned they also require digging up four-year old logs that were dated by the time they were released and are completely and utterly irrelevant now. Again you making reference to them as “subversion plots” when they barely got past the shitposting in a discord stage demonstrates my point of TSPers blowing things out of proportion. That said, those logs were primarily used internally and not to manipulate allies, which is why I left them out. Nevertheless, thank you for your effort.

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Okay, here are the facts that I will use to respond to not only the post above but also posts made in NSGP Discord. We, TSP, privately offered XKI our support because that is what allies do,

You certainly didn’t think so earlier, judging by what I mentioned before, but I digress. It is commendable that you’ve realised reaching out to allies is what a good ally does, truly. Did you also reach out to TEP in the same way?

and we informed them that we were considering making a statement of support.

Before they’d made one of their own?

However, XKI suggested a joint statement, and we accepted their offer. Why?

I’d like to know why, but your bolded sentence afterwards feels closer to a campaign slogan than an actual answer. So, why did XKI ask you for help with their statement?

TEP and XKI, our closest allies, were deceived by TBH.

XKI, sure. TEP was manipulated as well, but I find it unlikely that TBH is the one deceiving them.

Are we gonna make a statement about it? You're damn right.

I was expecting you to, but the odd choice to throw yourself into a statement that has little to nothing to do with you I did not foresee.

We have a proscription against them because of their patterned attempts to undermine the sovereignty of the South Pacific.

You don’t bother to explain why the proscription is there whenever anyone asks and you don’t elaborate on why the only things you appear to base it on are 3-4 year old logs, two puppets on an RMB and... there is no third example, is there? So pointing to the proscription is essentially saying you won’t give us a reason whatsoever to substantiate your “common sense”.

It doesn't take much thought that, if TBH is willing to go to such lengths with us, they would be willing to do the same with other regions.

You’re a self-declared enemy of raiders. What did you expect raiders would do, embrace you as saviours and pat you on the back? TEP, on the other hand, is a solid military partner that has a long history of working in good faith with both TBH and TSP. TBH has no reason to deceive them, but TSP does.

I do appreciate that you bother to respond, however. Your predecessors ran off as soon as someone so much as read the statement.

[The Python]

More like TSP had the right to be upset over vote stacking in OWL. Clearly just "blowing things out of proportion".

The fact that you refer to two private individuals excercising their right to vote in manner that violated no apparent law as “votestacking” indeed demonstrates that TSP desperately sought to blow it out of proportion.

It's actually 3 if you count Seltin, that one was just unidentified...

EDIT: Yes it did break the law, lol. I'm not a legal expert in TSP, but, it pretty obviously breaks both of these laws:

Identity fraud shall be defined as a deception made of one's self, or knowingly abetting in another's claims to a false identity, wherein this fraud threatens the security of the South Pacific, or circumvents the laws and legal processes of the South Pacific.

Electoral fraud shall be defined as the manipulation of the democratic process in the South Pacific, wherein--
a. an individual recruits people to vote a particular way, with an underlying corrupt purpose, regardless if the recruited persons are aware of that purpose;
b. a group of individuals organize themselves to vote a particular way, with an underlying corrupt purpose that would alter the natural outcome of the vote.

[Evil Wolf]

b. a group of individuals organize themselves to vote a particular way, with an underlying corrupt purpose that would alter the natural outcome of the vote.

TSP banned political parties? That's...special.

[New Quebecshire]

TSP banned political parties? That's...special.

I'll bite.

Our Charter guarantees the right to speech, press, assembly, and association. Furthermore, if you think political parties inherently have to have a "corrupt purpose that would alter the natural outcome of the vote" then it says quite a bit more about you than any of the laws on the Coalition's books.

Considering you've displayed yourself as openly antagonistic to the South Pacific and the leader of your organization has been incredibly dismissive of the subversions against it, even recently in this thread, I'm confident that few reasonable people of even minor situational awareness would take you seriously on the topic of what is or isn't allowed in our region.

[A Bloodred Moon]

It's actually 3 if you count Seltin, that one was just unidentified...

So you don’t actually know if they were, and even if you did 3 people isn’t exactly a huge army.

EDIT: Yes it did break the law, lol. I'm not a legal expert in TSP,

You don’t have to be a legal expert to figure you’re reading it in a unique manner at best. A criminal code usually applies to those who’ve applied for citizenship (whatever you call that in TSP).

That said, even if we do believe it applies to an RMB, in a region that is technically speaking not even the South Pacific, your argument still falls flat:

Identity fraud shall be defined as a deception made of one's self, or knowingly abetting in another's claims to a false identity, wherein this fraud threatens the security of the South Pacific, or circumvents the laws and legal processes of the South Pacific.

TSP must be living in a dream world, if they think such a thing as three people voting threatens their security. Not that they think so genuinely - they’re simply blowing it out of proportion.

I recognise there is “or circumvents the laws and legal processes” but that one is rather vague. What laws and legal processes were circumvented? Considering it wasn’t an election, I’m having a hard time figuring out how you decided it was electoral fraud, as well. Especially since the OWL vote can be overruled by the Cabinet, which doesn’t sound very democratic if you argue the poll was a democratic process (which, to my knowledge, is also not coded in law?)

Our Charter guarantees the right to speech, press, assembly, and association. Furthermore, if you think political parties inherently have to have a "corrupt purpose that would alter the natural outcome of the vote" then it says quite a bit more about you than any of the laws on the Coalition's books.

How is corrupt defined? If a political party votes, what’s to stop their opposition from calling them corrupt?

and the leader of your organization has been incredibly dismissive of the subversions against it,

Dismissive of what subversion? You cite two individuals voting on their own initiative on an RMB, a third you can’t even identify and suspect because they voted in a way you disagreed with, and a chat log your own High Court didn’t buy as anything of substance. Nowhere in that (laughably short) list is any instance of organised subversion by the Black Hawks against the South Pacific.

I’d be less “dismissive” of your invented subversion if you’d mention anything the Black Hawks organised that in any way messed with TSP. I almost wish they’d do so, purely to give us something of substance to argue about. Instead, we hear petulant whining from TSP and poor, blatant attempts to manipulate their allies.

[Tim-Opolis]

It really is quite funny what lengths Lone Wolves United goes to for the sake of hopelessly defending The Black Hawks, yet if the roles were reversed TBH wouldn't raise a fucking finger in LWU's assistance.

[Wascoitan]

It really is quite funny what lengths Lone Wolves United goes to for the sake of hopelessly defending The Black Hawks, yet if the roles were reversed TBH wouldn't raise a fucking finger in LWU's assistance.

ya actually going to say something of substance or just moan on about literally nothing? oh no somebody has an opinion I disagree with in NSGP, clearly this must be them hopelessly defending an organization and not their actual opinion on a matter. I can't speak for everyone in TBH but if I truly believed that LWU was in the right I certainly wouldn't hesitate to defend them in a situation like this.

[Drop Your Pants]

ya actually going to say something of substance or just moan on about literally nothing?

Ah welcome to Gameplay. Where we all moan at each other about senseless things and have done for many many years.

[New Rogernomics]

ya actually going to say something of substance or just moan on about literally nothing?

Ah welcome to Gameplay. Where we all moan at each other about senseless things and have done for many many years.

Don't forget the pointless real life vendettas and grudges*.

*over a text-based game of all things

[TSP Foreign Office]

PRESS RELEASE

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STATEMENT ON NATIONSTATES CLOSING EMBASSIES

1 August 2021

My fellow South Pacificans and interested parties:

On Sunday, 1 August, NationStates ordered the closure of embassies between their region and the South Pacific based on the latter's defender tag, calling it "contrary to [their] Ideal". The South Pacific finds their reasoning illogical.

The South Pacific adopted the defender tag on 17 July 2019 upon passing the Resolution on Adopting Defending Military Principles, a full two years before NationStates' decision to close embassies. Where was NationStates in the two years the South Pacific possessed the defender tag, and why did NationStates wait this long to close embassies based on this rationale?

The decision is also hypocritical because NationStates claims in their World Factbook Entry that their region is "Friends With All; Aligned With None". However, their closing of embassies shows that not to be true. Furthermore, at least one region NationStates shares embassies with possesses an invader tag, yet there was no decision to close that embassy. Why is that?

As far as the South Pacific is concerned, NationStates' decision to close embassies is an illogical and hypocritical move on their part, and we will proceed in our foreign affairs aligned with our defender principles without compromising these values based on the whims of a supposedly neutral region.

Faithfully yours,

Jay Coop (Qvait)
Minister of Foreign Affairs

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[Madjack]

I'd just like to offer my condolences to TSP for losing all that... uh... whatever it was that an embassy with NationStates gets a region. TNP is here for you in these trying times.

[Tinhampton]

...at least one region NationStates shares embassies with possesses an invader tag, yet there was no decision to close that embassy. Why is that?

Does it matter?

101 minutes ago: The Beautiful Nation of Amor y Paz de Miguel ordered the closure of embassies between NationStates and Osiris.

[Jar Wattinree]

...at least one region NationStates shares embassies with possesses an invader tag, yet there was no decision to close that embassy. Why is that?

Does it matter?

101 minutes ago: The Beautiful Nation of Amor y Paz de Miguel ordered the closure of embassies between NationStates and Osiris.

Likely so.

105 minutes ago: The Beautiful Nation of Amor y Paz de Miguel ordered the closure of embassies between NationStates and Osiris.
5 hours ago: The Beautiful Nation of Amor y Paz de Miguel ordered the closure of embassies between NationStates and The South Pacific.

[Evil Wolf]

Remember kids, if you have an embassy with The South Pacific, and you choose to close it for any reason, The South Pacific will publish insulting articles about your region.

Same day, preferably.

[Les Claypool]

They literally explained that they won't have embassies with regions that have the "Invader" tag and the "Defender" tag.

adopted the defender tag on 17 July 2019

Because maybe on the day of 01 August 2021 they adopted the the restriction of holding embassies tagged with Invader or Defender and they didn't adopt that policy before then, just maybe.

As this statement was made after the declaration of closure with TSP, but not yet Osiris for the tags, you could argue that that is suspect timing, but it doesn't really matter in the end because Osiris also got closured too. No one else has those tags, but the two that got orders for closure. This is mountain out of a molehill. Do better than this.

[The Notorious Mad Jack]

They're releasing a statement about an embassy closure - I'm not sure why that's a bad thing. Regions in gameplay have a responsibility to take demonstrative actions and act in a public way, for the good of a game that is increasingly inactive. TSP's statement, as much as you might disagree with the need for it, does that.

[Qvait]

Because maybe on the day of 01 August 2021 they adopted the the restriction of holding embassies tagged with Invader or Defender and they didn't adopt that policy before then, just maybe.

Um, no, I don't think so. My question still stands. If NationStates had this policy for at least almost nine years, then there is no logic to waiting two years to close their embassy with the South Pacific. Moreover, it seems that NationStates did not even think to close embassies with Osiris until the statement pointed out that they have an invader tag, doing so hours after the statement came out. I have come to suspect that this is an indictment of the ignorance of NationStates' leadership of the affairs of regions they share embassies with.

[The North Polish Union]

You guys really have an overinflated sense of self-importance. TSP was more fun when Milo was delegate.

[Ikania]

You guys really have an overinflated sense of self-importance. TSP was more fun when Milo was delegate.

Everywhere is more fun when Milo's delegate.

[WayNeacTia]

Remember kids, if you have an embassy with The South Pacific, and you choose to close it for any reason, The South Pacific will publish insulting articles about your region.

Same day, preferably.

Seeing as how Mike has been here since the beginning of time itself, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on this one. Given how is neutral Mike is, closing embassies with the South Pacific was probably a prudent course of action and I for one commend him for it.

[Aenglaland]

You didn't lose anything worth keeping, TSP. No worries.

[The Church of Satan]

Why was this necessary?

[Amerion]

My Dear Minions,

It is a pleasure to present to you the inaugural edition of the Delegate’s Brief, a fortnightly summation of the region’s notable events and an overview of our population dynamics.

The past week has been rather eventful. May I take this opportunity to once again congratulate our new Local Councillors, Erinor, PenguinPies, and Murelia. They take their office after having recently won their respective seats in the July 2021 Local Council Election. I thank their predecessors, Auphelia, Concrete Slab and Drystar for their service and hope that they will continue to be a positive presence on the Regional Message Board.

The Local Council is not the only institution that has new leadership. I also congratulate Minister-Elect New Quebecshire who assumes the duties and responsibilities of the Ministry of Culture from Minister Holy Free who has had to step down due to real-life circumstances. On the behalf of the government of the South Pacific and no doubt as well as Minions everywhere, I wish Holy Free all the best.

This week has also seen the publication of the much-awaited August edition of the Southern Journal. Featuring articles by Serraland, New Quebecshire, Rabbitz, HumanSanity, and Emodea, the latest edition covers everything from the election of your favourite Admiral Delegate General, to our recent Independence and Defender Days, to an interview with Minister of Defence HumanSanity. Minions are encouraged to give the Southern Journal a read and don't forget to upvote! ^-^

Your Supreme Leader,
Amerion

Delegate of the South Pacific


The Supreme Leader of all Minions, His Majesty, the Admiral Delegate General Stewie G., Delegate of the South Pacific, the Magnificent Ultimate Leader of all of NationStates, High Autocrat of the New Minion Order, King of Kings, Democratic President and Prime-Minister-For-Life, Chairman and Supreme General Secretary Admiral of the People’s Republic of the South Pacific, Invincible and All-Triumphant Lord Commander, Grand Dentist of the Ice Cream Association, Chief Ophthalmologist and board-certified Dermatologist of the South Pacific Special Forces, Brilliant Genius of Humanity, Noble Prize winner in everything but Peace, and Benevolent Oppressor and Ruthless Protector of the Expendable People of Amerion.

World Assembly Population

The past week has seen relatively stable WA membership numbers, staying between 918 and 923 nations. It is very much within the realm of possibility to increase the WA membership cohort, and by extension, the collective influence of every WA nation, by the end of August.

Impressively, the cross-endorsement rate is at 14.07%, the highest it has been in the recorded history of SWAN. This does not appear to be the result of any one event but a gradual incline over successive WA Delegacies and which will hopefully continue.

WA Minion Population	Percentage of Regional Population	Total Number of Endorsements	Cross-Endorsement Rate (%)
923	13.84	111193	13.07
922	13.84	116188	13.68
926	13.89	117517	13.72
921	13.88	117982	13.92
922	13.8	117589	13.85
920	13.81	118950	14.07
918	13.8	118458	14.07

(Click here to view the full-sized image)

The Portrait of the South Pacific is a graphical representation of all the World Assembly nations in the South Pacific and the endorsements between them. It is hoped that this portrait will show Minions how large and dynamic this region is. If the nation is too small to see below, Minions can click on the image to view the full-size version and then zoom.

What does the Portrait show?

⦿ Each circle represents a nation. Each grey line with a small arrow between the circles represents an endorsement. The direction of the arrow indicates who has endorsed who.

⦿ The size of each circle represents the number of endorsements the nation represented by the circle has. The larger the size, the higher the endorsement count.

⦿ The colour of each circle represents how many nations are currently being endorsed by that nation. The cooler the colour, the higher the number of nations being endorsed.

The information presented here is provided courtesy of the Southern World Assembly Initiative (SWAN), a government-affilerated program led by United States of Vietnam.

Witchcraft and Sorcery	Qvait	New Quebecshire	Lucabaduka	Moonfungus	HumanSanity

⦿ Publication of the August edition of the Southern Journal

⦿ The Ministry of Foreign Affairs released a statement on the closure of embassies with the region, Nationstates.

⦿ New Quebecshire elected as Minister of Culture. They will officially take office one week from the certification of results.

⦿ The South Pacific Special Forces continues its exemplrary record of counteracting Raiders and supporting the self-determination of native regions.

At the time of publication, there are two proposals at vote in the World Assembly. In consultation with the Office of WA Legialtion (OWL), the Supreme Delegacy is voting:

⦿ FOR the proposal, Repeal "Preparing For Disasters", in the General Assembly; and,
⦿ ABSTAIN in the proposal, Convention Against Heisting, in the Security Council.