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by The Church of Satan » Tue Sep 11, 2018 3:05 pm
by Glen-Rhodes » Tue Sep 11, 2018 4:13 pm
North East Somerset wrote:I mean it's not complicated. It's IC if the content of the "prolonged & sustained flaming and baiting" is an IC matter. Like the example you just gave about how Tim treated new TSPers running for Office, sounds like classic IC politics by very definition.
But you can't have the Admin team taking IC flaming and baiting, and saying it is OOC harassment and thus defaming someone's RL character, over their actions in a game.
This is demeaning real harassment. Tim as a player can be be my worst enemy in this game, but I can have respect for him as a person. You just don't seem to fundamentally get it.
One Stop Rules Shop wrote:Flame/Threats: Personal attacks against other players, expressed via OOC (out-of-character) comments; insults, swearing and anything posted with intent to offend. In-character remarks can be interpreted this way as well; watch what you post if other posters are unaware you're not serious. Erudite slams while maintaining a veneer of politeness can also be considered flaming. Repeated instances of flaming directed at the same player can be considered harassment, a more serious offense.
by Ever-Wandering Souls » Tue Sep 11, 2018 4:31 pm
Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:See, even here's you're *still fucking doing it*
In one half:
>>"the bans were being over-dramatized and misrepresented"
>>"it was about flaming and baiting on TSP’s Discord and forum"
>>downplaying the severity
In the other half:
>>What do you call a sustained, months-long series of personal attacks, baiting, and trolling against a targeted groups of players?
YES, THAT IS WHAT I WOULD CALL HARASSMENT. HARASSMENT SHOULD BE PROVEN.
If there is a targeted campaign to harass people, as you keep insisting there is, then you're making an accusation of harassment, and need to prove harassment occurred. It's not a hard fucking concept. It sounds like you're describing harassment, except then you go and say "but you're overplaying how bad it is." A "months-long series of personal attacks, baiting, and trolling against a targeted groups of players" sounds like pretty damn bad harassment. That should be easy to prove. You're playing it as pretty bad...until you're not.
It can't be some magical state of harassment that is "harassment" enough for you to call it harassment, but not "harassment" enough to have to prove it was harassment.
The Alicorns (Equestria) wrote:Let them stay, no need to badmouth them...From our view a bunch of nations just came in, seized the delegate position, and changed a few superficial things...we play NationStates differently...there's really no reason for us to be butthurt.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8944227
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8951258
Reploid Productions wrote:Raiders are endlessly creative
by Unibot III » Tue Sep 11, 2018 5:59 pm
[violet] wrote:I mean this in the best possible way,
but Unibot is not a typical NS player.
Milograd wrote:You're a caring, resolute lunatic
with the best of intentions.
by Ever-Wandering Souls » Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:04 pm
The Alicorns (Equestria) wrote:Let them stay, no need to badmouth them...From our view a bunch of nations just came in, seized the delegate position, and changed a few superficial things...we play NationStates differently...there's really no reason for us to be butthurt.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8944227
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8951258
Reploid Productions wrote:Raiders are endlessly creative
by The Church of Satan » Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:27 pm
Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:That’s not a great reasoning - people have been leaving over Glen’s behavior for years.
by RiderSyl » Tue Sep 11, 2018 6:36 pm
Unibot III wrote:Very few of you are really even remotely involved with TSP, you just chirp at it when there's a "controversy."
by Escade » Tue Sep 11, 2018 7:20 pm
by Blight-Bane » Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:20 pm
RiderSyl wrote:How involved are you with TSP at the moment, Unibot?
by Devi Vytherin » Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:22 pm
Unibot III wrote:I imagine there wasn't an elaborate explainer on the decision originally because it was obvious to TSPers what the admins were discussing - people were leaving TSP over Tim/Escade's behaviour. It's been an ongoing point of contention for months now.
by Vulturret » Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:36 pm
by The Church of Satan » Tue Sep 11, 2018 8:50 pm
by Consular » Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:44 pm
by Glen-Rhodes » Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:29 am
by Consular » Wed Sep 12, 2018 5:52 am
by Unibot III » Wed Sep 12, 2018 7:59 am
[violet] wrote:I mean this in the best possible way,
but Unibot is not a typical NS player.
Milograd wrote:You're a caring, resolute lunatic
with the best of intentions.
by Glen-Rhodes » Wed Sep 12, 2018 8:00 am
Consular wrote:It's kinda ironic that you're demanding evidence when you lot have refused to give any yourselves... Or is that the point?
by Ever-Wandering Souls » Wed Sep 12, 2018 8:03 am
The Alicorns (Equestria) wrote:Let them stay, no need to badmouth them...From our view a bunch of nations just came in, seized the delegate position, and changed a few superficial things...we play NationStates differently...there's really no reason for us to be butthurt.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8944227
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8951258
Reploid Productions wrote:Raiders are endlessly creative
by Consular » Wed Sep 12, 2018 8:16 am
by Syberis » Wed Sep 12, 2018 3:06 pm
Zaolat wrote:WHO THE F*** IS SYBERIS
by Florentine Palace » Wed Sep 12, 2018 4:02 pm
by Jar Wattinree » Wed Sep 12, 2018 4:13 pm
Florentine Palace wrote:<snip>
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by Klaus Devestatorie » Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:10 am
Catalyse wrote:What's England celebrating?
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