NationStates

Escade wrote:Or perhaps you lack the wit to go beyond the merely basic. This is NSGP, whether something is presented as a coup, or a revolution or a liberation, sometimes merely depends on how much people like or don't like the people, places, and things involved.

Except I would like to point out that TSP is indirectly linking El Wu with the 2016 vote rigging, which was orchestrated by Defenders, that got Benevolent Thomas elected as Lazarus Delegate, while also maintaining that Benevolent Thomas himself was totally innocent.

That's pretty bananas.

Escade wrote:I'm fine with the proscriptions themselves; it's the subpar presentation and lack of conviction or any sort of respectable authority that is galling here. I don't even think elaborate reasons always need to be given but at least stand by your convictions (I'm proscribed in three regions after all, at the very least, without really knowing why).

I think though we've entered an era where the cabinet of TSP is not even at a subpar level at actually playing the game and fueled by insecurity, incompetence and lack of adequate communication skills. That's unfortunate.


Carry on then.

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...I mean I don't disagree but wow.

Glen-Rhodes wrote:

Cormactopia Prime wrote:The Rube Goldberg Barstool: TSP's absurd ThreadGate thing with Escade. What even was that?

Our domestic politics levee had a leak. It's been patched up. For now.

Better call that plumber again, GR.

Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:...I mean I don't disagree but wow.

Would you like to fill out the Official TSP Survey on Regional Toxicity?

Evil Wolf wrote:

Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:...I mean I don't disagree but wow.

Would you like to fill out the Official TSP Survey on Regional Toxicity?

It's been a wild ride for me today, okay, I don't particularly get along with Imki or Escade, and yet I hear and see that we've all been pretty united in the general sense of "TSP could probably find some reason to proscribe Souls properly if they really wanted to (or even alter the act to do so if they must), and we don't particularly like each other, but these particular reasons are some pretty lazy BS."

Strange bedfellows.

I look forward to this court case progressing.

Evil Wolf wrote:

Escade wrote:Or perhaps you lack the wit to go beyond the merely basic. This is NSGP, whether something is presented as a coup, or a revolution or a liberation, sometimes merely depends on how much people like or don't like the people, places, and things involved.

Except I would like to point out that TSP is indirectly linking El Wu with the 2016 vote rigging, which was orchestrated by Defenders, that got Benevolent Thomas elected as Lazarus Delegate, while also maintaining that Benevolent Thomas himself was totally innocent.

That's pretty bananas.

HYDRA/TRI were proscribed. TBH and LWU were not. QED.

I don't know about anything BT did. I know about the Funk thing because, among other reasons, Funk quite literally imported me. If there's something you have to bring forward, by all means.

Did you miss "indirectly?"

Roavin wrote:I don't know about anything BT did. I know about the Funk thing because, among other reasons, Funk quite literally imported me. If there's something you have to bring forward, by all means.

Yes, imported you, and several other TSPers, to vote in the delegate election of BT, who we are all now told to believe knew absolutely nothing about it.

Funny, however, that TSP claim "Funkadelia of Lone Wolves United" did these actions, when Funk wasn't in El Wu at the time. Clearly the intent is to conflate what happened when he was a Defender with later actions that TSP in fact didn't approve.

You guys were fine with the 2016 vote rigging (that some of your own TSP citizens participated in) up until the time the 2017-18 Lazarus Civil War occurred and Funk wasn't on the side TSP supported.

The attempt to confuse readers by falsely linking the two events, and indirectly blame LWU for both, is just an outstanding bit of mental gymnastics on the part of The South Pacific.

Evil Wolf wrote:Funny, however, that TSP claim "Funkadelia of Lone Wolves United" did these actions, when Funk wasn't in El Wu at the time. Clearly the intent is to conflate what happened when he was a Defender with later actions that TSP in fact didn't approve.

You guys were fine with the 2016 vote rigging (that some of your own TSP citizens participated in) up until the time the 2017-18 Lazarus Civil War occurred and Funk wasn't on the side TSP supported.

The attempt to confuse readers by falsely linking the two events, and indirectly blame LWU for both, is just an outstanding bit of mental gymnastics on the part of The South Pacific.

Either that, or it's just more lazy inaccuracies. They did call McMannia the founder of TRI, and confuse several elements of the Hydra/TRI timeline. Maybe their dates were off here too. Hanlon's razor.

Hulkpool wrote:Hi! Founder of the region HYDRA which is a placeholder region for the Original HYDRA raiding organization.

We have nothing to do with Hydra Command or H Y D R A. Which is really confusing to most people. The latter two groups which are connected to each other have nothing to do with the original. In fact, no even asked to carry on the Hydra name and no permission to do so was given. So, I classify both of those regions/org as impostor raider groups.

Just wanted to clarify they aren't the same.

Carry on!

Would like to point out that no permission was seeked because we (more specifically I, since I was the one who founded it) had no knowledge of any prior organization using said iconography. Even if we had, we would not have felt the need to ask for permission from a dead organization if we can use the same pop culture iconography as them. Hydra (as an organization, theme, whatever) is the property of Marvel Comics, and therefore the walt disney corporation. We've never advertised ourselves as having any connection to a prior organization using that theme, nor did we ever try to deceive anyone into believing that we were., and thus were not an imposter, rip off, or whatever other label you want to use.

Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:Maybe their dates were off here too. Hanlon's razor.

And I would had it not been for the fact that TSP only knows about the BT Delegate election vote rigging because several of their members participated in it.

They know damn well what they were doing.

Evil Wolf wrote:

Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:Maybe their dates were off here too. Hanlon's razor.

And I would had it not been for the fact that TSP only knows about the BT Delegate election vote rigging because several of their members participated in it.

They know damn well what they were doing.

"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity, but don't rule out malice."

Escade wrote:

McManniaa wrote:
I think we need to convene at the Hague. That burn was so white hot it was practically a war crime.

Or perhaps you lack the wit to go beyond the merely basic. This is NSGP, whether something is presented as a coup, or a revolution or a liberation, sometimes merely depends on how much people like or don't like the people, places, and things involved.

I see the celebration of the mediocre and banal spreading like a disease.

If I were celebrating mediocrity I would have made a tosh.0 reference, because apparently thats still on the air

I really look forward to you all extolling the virtues of editing and evidence, when we revisit Balder's and Osiris's proscriptions that none of you found lacking in any metric. You all are, of course, exemplars of consistency in values and beliefs.

Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:

Evil Wolf wrote:Funny, however, that TSP claim "Funkadelia of Lone Wolves United" did these actions, when Funk wasn't in El Wu at the time. Clearly the intent is to conflate what happened when he was a Defender with later actions that TSP in fact didn't approve.

You guys were fine with the 2016 vote rigging (that some of your own TSP citizens participated in) up until the time the 2017-18 Lazarus Civil War occurred and Funk wasn't on the side TSP supported.

The attempt to confuse readers by falsely linking the two events, and indirectly blame LWU for both, is just an outstanding bit of mental gymnastics on the part of The South Pacific.

Either that, or it's just more lazy inaccuracies. They did call McMannia the founder of TRI, and confuse several elements of the Hydra/TRI timeline. Maybe their dates were off here too. Hanlon's razor.

I also find it funny how the have proscribed HYDRA itself, from my understanding, despite HYDRA no longer being an organisation nor an actual region(the HYDRA regions are owned by McMannia but not used) and TRI is not a successor of HYDRA but a merge between HYDRA, TAE, TDV, TUN and TDB.

Glen-Rhodes wrote:I really look forward to you all extolling the virtues of editing and evidence, when we revisit Balder's and Osiris's proscriptions that none of you found lacking in any metric. You all are, of course, exemplars of consistency in values and beliefs.

Did you just use a "whataboutism" logical fallacy? Yeah, you did.

Also, let's not get into the fact that you're putting all the burden of proof and evidence on the accused while presenting largely nothing but vague accusations.

I know TSP has a loose sense of legal rights, but that's a pretty bad subversion of justice even for a government as undemocratic as TSP.

Glen-Rhodes wrote:I really look forward to you all extolling the virtues of editing and evidence, when we revisit Balder's and Osiris's proscriptions that none of you found lacking in any metric. You all are, of course, exemplars of consistency in values and beliefs.

I support folks being held to their own rules. TSP has strong rules in this area and I’m exercising my rights as detailed by them. I’m hardly denying, even in my actual legal case, that I’m presently no particular friend of TSP, but not being a friend does not meet your high standards for actions it takes to be proscribed.

I fully expect that if I win, you’ll widen the scope of the proscriptions act, as one might when flaws are pointed out via a case such as this, and proscribe me anyways.

Nonetheless, I intend to insist that you actually follow your own rulebook along the way.

If you’ve in the past found such issues with other proscriptions in their native legal lands, I suggest you pursue such cases as well.

Glen-Rhodes wrote:I really look forward to you all extolling the virtues of editing and evidence, when we revisit Balder's and Osiris's proscriptions that none of you found lacking in any metric. You all are, of course, exemplars of consistency in values and beliefs.

An eye for an eye makes the whole world proscribed.

I thought Balder's proscription was whack, and wasn't around for Osiris' proscription because of my 8 month break from NS. While I was in Osiris though, I supported proscribing TSP for a while until realizing there was no substantial way to accomplish it without depending on TSP to really screw up. Seeing TSP proscribed when I returned brought me some joy because of your region's unchecked, ridiculous foreign affairs behavior, I'll admit. The way in which it was done was purely partisanship, though. Same here with these individuals being proscribed by TSP.

Escade is right. Do better.

If TSP actually allows defense counsel then anyone who was proscribed can contact me to represent them.

Kringalia wrote:In accordance with our Proscription Act, any individual who has been subject to a proscription "may challenge the issuing authority's determination" before our High Court. Here are some tips on how to approach the Court:

• Generally, individuals are given wide latitude on how they want to structure their cases, but the Court expects, at a minimum, that you cite the relevant laws that support your case and explain why your case has merit.
• If you have evidence in the form of telegrams, logs, posts or any form of communication, screenshots tend to be preferred over plain text.
• Obviously the preferred venue for filing a case would be our regional forum. If you cannot (or will not) file a case personally, however, you can send your case filing directly to the Chief Justice, who would post it on the forum, or hire a defence counsel who could file and argue a case on your behalf.

If you have additional questions on the procedures of the Court or the filing of cases, I would be happy to answer them. It should go without saying, but the High Court does not follow a government agenda, nor does it have any vested interest in either upholding or overturning the proscriptions. If you (or anyone else) contests their proscriptions, you and the Cabinet will both get a fair hearing.

Kris Kringle
Chief Justice of the South Pacific

Mallorea and Riva wrote:If TSP actually allows defense counsel then anyone who was proscribed can contact me to represent them.

If you'd like to assist, Mall, and think you can better my case (probably can), feel free to poke me. You know where to find me. o/

I wonder if TSP realizes that not everyone that is a citizen of The Ragerian Imperium is a member of the armada where any of the activities and focus on gameplay alignments would be. We do the same thing as TSP does encouraging them to join the armada just like they try to get people to join their military. It seems if TSP had done proper research for background knowledge ahead of time they may have strictly proscribed members of the armada and not the region. Alas it appears TSP will show its true colors of a puppet state of TGW with strictly proscribing people on gameplay ideology. Just out of curiosity what is the percentage of the cabinet that is not former or present members of TGW?

Slithering Snakes wrote:I wonder if TSP realizes that not everyone that is a citizen of The Ragerian Imperium is a member of the armada where any of the activities and focus on gameplay alignments would be. We do the same thing as TSP does encouraging them to join the armada just like they try to get people to join their military. It seems if TSP had done proper research for background knowledge ahead of time they may have strictly proscribed members of the armada and not the region. Alas it appears TSP will show its true colors of a puppet state of TGW with strictly proscribing people on gameplay ideology. Just out of curiosity what is the percentage of the cabinet that is not former or present members of TGW?

They also said McMannia was the founder and then instead of defending that they just then called out him being an Admiral... Top Tier research from TSP. Can't even check the WFE or Forums.

Mallorea and Riva wrote:If TSP actually allows defense counsel then anyone who was proscribed can contact me to represent them.

Sure, I'll take you on, but I expect you to use this line at least once.

Slithering Snakes wrote:Just out of curiosity what is the percentage of the cabinet that is not former or present members of TGW?

Hi little puppet,

75%

Tim Stark wrote:

Slithering Snakes wrote:Just out of curiosity what is the percentage of the cabinet that is not former or present members of TGW?

Hi little puppet,

75%

Slithering Snakes isn't a puppet. That is Jake the Snake, a long time citizen of TRI.

Hesskin Empire wrote:

Tim Stark wrote:Hi little puppet,

75%

Slithering Snakes isn't a puppet. That is Jake the Snake, a long time citizen of TRI.

How dare you allow facts to get in the way of condescension?