Embassy of the South Pacific

[TSP Foreign Office]

PRESS RELEASE

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JOINT PROSCRIPTION OF THE BLACK HAWKS

5 January 2021


Fellow South Pacificans,

The Coalition of the South Pacific takes its deliberative process seriously, just as we take our community’s security seriously. These decisions are never easy to come to, and we always look to do them the right way. To provide greater protection of the Coalition, the Cabinet and Council on Regional Security of the South Pacific have reached a consensus on our path forward in our dealings with The Black Hawks.

After their repeated attacks against our regional community, and the establishment, encouragement, and continuation of an organizational culture in The Black Hawks that shows no respect for the Coalition and our regional sovereignty, we have decided to invoke our authority under Article 3, Section 1 of the Proscription Act. Not only has there been a blatant manipulation of our democratic process, which has been robust despite these brazen attacks, but The Black Hawks have also attempted to manipulate the election of the Coalition’s regional leadership.

The Black Hawks’ leadership has not only met these actions with complacency and utter disregard, but a culture exists among their membership that has never faced any punishment or even reprimand for them. The only reasonable explanation for this is that The Black Hawks not only harbor but promote a culture opposed to the South Pacific’s right to govern itself freely and undermine our right to self-determination. With this in mind, we have concluded that The Black Hawks pose a direct and immediate threat to the Coalition of the South Pacific.

It is a shame that The Black Hawks meet our regional rights with such hostility, but their actions leave the Coalition with no choice but to issue a full proscription against The Black Hawks. Members of the South Pacific who are also members of The Black Hawks have seven (7) days to either renounce their membership in The Black Hawks or comply with this order. We wish to thank our allies for their support and understanding in this effort to ensure the sanctity and security of the South Pacific’s democratic norms and traditions.

Faithfully yours,

The Cabinet and Council on Regional Security of the South Pacific

[Honeydewistania]

inb4 raidere cringe

[Baedan]

Is the sum total of the evidence presented by the CRS and Cabinet:

1. a handful of individuals voting in a way deemed suspicious and
2. a chat log from two years ago involving a military leader who is now retired?

If so, it seems frankly unlikely that the Black Hawks promote a culture opposed to the South Pacific's right to self-governance (whatever that culture would look like) and especially unlikely that they pose a clear and present danger. Is it a slow news day in the foreign affairs department?

[Baedan]

I guess my other question would be - which of the actions listed under Article 1 Section 1 of the proscription act have the Black Hawks as a group committed? A culture of disrespect does not itself seem to meet the burden of hostility.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

I gotta laugh at this point, honestly.

You cite two specific events.

One of them, you actually got a (damn rare, from TBH) diplomatic apology for and condemnation of. Is that "complacency and utter disregard?" Really?

The other, well, after 2 years, you'd think it'd be pretty firmly established that your own high court determined that there wasn't even enough justification to proscribe me personally, as the primary TBH rep in that server!

However, it is not convinced that the Appellant [Souls] actually took part in a conspiracy to overthrow the Coalition. There were indeed conversations that would be troubling, from an intelligence standpoint, but the standard for security concerns is not the same as that employed by the Court. In this case, while the evidence shows that the Appellant is no friend to the South Pacific, it does not show convincing evidence that an actual conspiracy was put into place to overthrow the Coalition or purge current leadership, much less to install an alternative government.

Is this two-year-old incident where your Chief Justice, based on evidence you wouldn't even let me see determined that there was no threat to TSP from TBH, really "a direct and immediate threat?"

Look, I dislike y'all as much as you dislike me, we don't have to pretend to be nice, but the younger Hawks on active Council are actively trying to be diplomatic here. You could at least come up with a better excuse than this horseshit.

[Comfed]

So basically, because some low-ranking people did stuff they weren't supposed to do and got reprimanded for it, and there was a chat log from two years ago - you proscribe them without even bothering to consult the citizens or the Assembly. Okay.

Because, what I see is not a measure to keep TSP safe but a witch hunt. You could try to at least be diplomatic with them.

[Devi]

Y'all missed the 'feeders blacklisting TBH for literally the dumbest stated reasons while actually just pursuing the usual vendettas' bandwagon by a couple years
it's old and played out, just say outright that you don't want raiders in your region rather than coming up with this nonsense; it's somehow better optics lmao

[Roavin]

The other, well, after 2 years, you'd think it'd be pretty firmly established that your own high court determined that there wasn't even enough justification to proscribe me personally, as the primary TBH rep in that server!

Based on the same evidence (red phone) that literally every other region saw as the silver bullet that it was, by the way. The receipts were there, the court just (for inexplicable reason) didn't bother to read them.

[Devi]

The other, well, after 2 years, you'd think it'd be pretty firmly established that your own high court determined that there wasn't even enough justification to proscribe me personally, as the primary TBH rep in that server!

Based on the same evidence (red phone) that literally every other region saw as the silver bullet that it was, by the way. The receipts were there, the court just (for inexplicable reason) didn't bother to read them.

glad to know your faith in TSP's court system is holding strong

[Parxland]

Just cut ties altogether and destroy them in a war. At least make this interesting.

[Evil Wolf]

TSP needs to build their courage and pull the trigger to do what it's been building up to, a complete ban of all raider citizens from it's region. This is nothing more than a sneaky attempt to mostly just that, all the while assuring it's non-defender allies that, no, no, TSP don't want to ban raiders *entirely*. TSP's actions are a poor attempt to hide their extremism behind an ever increasing flimsy list of convenient excuses.

So no total ban on all raiders just yet. For now. At least not until TSP is sure enough of their non-Defender allies would be cool with it.

[Baedan]

Just cut ties altogether and destroy them in a war. At least make this interesting.

Who are you talking to?

[Parxland]

Just cut ties altogether and destroy them in a war. At least make this interesting.

Who are you talking to?

Yes.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

The other, well, after 2 years, you'd think it'd be pretty firmly established that your own high court determined that there wasn't even enough justification to proscribe me personally, as the primary TBH rep in that server!

Based on the same evidence (red phone) that literally every other region saw as the silver bullet that it was, by the way. The receipts were there, the court just (for inexplicable reason) didn't bother to read them.

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TSP needs to build their courage and pull the trigger to do what it's been building up to, a complete ban of all raider citizens from it's region. This is nothing more than a sneaky attempt to mostly just that, all the while assuring it's non-defender allies that, no, no, TSP don't want to ban raiders *entirely*. TSP's actions are a poor attempt to hide their extremism behind an ever increasing flimsy list of convenient excuses.

So no total ban on all raiders just yet. For now. At least not until TSP is sure enough of their non-Defender allies would be cool with it.

If that's what they want, it'd be prettier to just do it than to keep pretending something they couldn't even back in their own court last time is still relevant, lol. Agreeed.

[Baedan]

banger meme thank you souls

to clarify, is the "sensitive intelligence" from your proscription trial the same red phone briefing used to justify the proscription of TBH broadly?

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

banger meme thank you souls

to clarify, is the "sensitive intelligence" from your proscription trial the same red phone briefing used to justify the proscription of TBH broadly?

Can't answer for certain, since they refused to even let me or my legal team see the evidence being used against me

Funny, then, how even with that much of a biased trial, the High Court *still* ruled in my favor. But, nooooo, trust Roavin, the secret evidence is super legit.

[Honeydewistania]

TSP should only ban people I don't like to be honest.

[Roavin]

Yes, it was Red Phone (before the public release), and everybody else (including TNP) took action on it, it was just TSP High Court that didn't buy it. So yeah, the High Court was wrong on that one.

[Baedan]

Yes, it was Red Phone (before the public release), and everybody else (including TNP) took action on it, it was just TSP High Court that didn't buy it. So yeah, the High Court was wrong on that one.

who are the current members of the High Court? I'm dogshit at trying to navigate your forums

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

Yes, it was Red Phone (before the public release), and everybody else (including TNP) took action on it, it was just TSP High Court that didn't buy it. So yeah, the High Court was wrong on that one.

"People we politically pressured into making a big deal of it made a big deal of it, but the body our region appoints as objective mediators of the law said it wasn't meaningful evidence towards any conspiracy."

Sweeping endorsement of the High Court

[Unibot III]

They probably should have included the Milograd coup in the indictment. TBH provided troops & co-ran the delegate account. TBH’s leadership exclaimed “let’s f*** s*** up” publicly.

TSP has always been just another invasion target for TBH.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

They probably should have included the Milograd coup in the indictment. TBH provided troops & co-ran the delegate account. TBH’s leadership exclaimed “let’s f*** s*** up” publicly.

TSP has always been just another invasion target for TBH.

MiloCoup is so old that I can't even comment on it properly, because little native Souls was ejected from TSP during it for opposing it 8 years ago, and was recruited to Black Mesa Islands afterwards by Johto and Kanto (who was helping the resistance) And that was 2.5 years before I was on Council, for 5 years, before leaving it half a year ago.

What's next? Liz Lemons? "You were founded by Halc?" "Mall should resign?" We going to start rehashing Eastern Islands of Dharma?

[Jakker]

They probably should have included the Milograd coup in the indictment. TBH provided troops & co-ran the delegate account. TBH’s leadership exclaimed “let’s f*** s*** up” publicly.

TSP has always been just another invasion target for TBH.

For the record, we said, "Time to fuck shit up." If you were going to keep trying to reference history, at least try to get it right. TSP has been a place for years that several defender-learning folks, including yourself, have actively pushed towards the extreme anti-raider views they hold today.

[RiderSyl]

Yes, it was Red Phone (before the public release), and everybody else (including TNP) took action on it, it was just TSP High Court that didn't buy it. So yeah, the High Court was wrong on that one.

and this proscription is essentially fixing that. I can respect that. I really wish this announcement was just the Red Phone as justification... and that's it. The continued dramatization and exaggeration of a few Hawk noobs being noobish in TSP's Commend Twobagger vote cheapens it.

I don't know what it is with TSP, but it's like there's an antiquated belief that the region still needs to practice this sort of realpolitik, when it's just not necessary in modern Gameplay. Who the hell wouldn't support TSP's proscription if TSP didn't throw in the Commend Twobagger vote manipulation as a justification? Who does that appeal to?

[Baedan]

Yes, it was Red Phone (before the public release), and everybody else (including TNP) took action on it, it was just TSP High Court that didn't buy it. So yeah, the High Court was wrong on that one.

and this proscription is essentially fixing that. I can respect that. I really wish this announcement was just the Red Phone as justification... and that's it. The continued dramatization and exaggeration of a few Hawk noobs being noobish in TSP's Commend Twobagger vote cheapens it.

I wouldn't say it fixes it per se. It's still subject to the same judicial review. I don't think the High Court would be any more justified now in proscribing the entirety of the region now than they were in proscribing Souls then.

You're right about the Commend Twobagger """op""" tho, that's the lamest justification I've ever seen