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by United Federated States of Omega » Mon Jul 08, 2019 7:24 pm
by The Church of Satan » Mon Jul 08, 2019 7:39 pm
Killer Kitty wrote:Well, that depends. Is TSP really concerned about the "innocent nations" or are they *really* focused on their New Khanate conspiracy theory?
I mean, they did devote 1/3rd of their statement to ranting about how TEP was becoming the Khanate.
by Killer Kitty » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:03 pm
The Church of Satan wrote:But is it truly a conspiracy? You so easily dismiss it despite the events that support their suspicions.
by The Church of Satan » Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:15 pm
Killer Kitty wrote:I'm not at all dismissing the events. There may yet be merit to what they claim under The East Pacific law. I'm not a citizen there and I'm not on their courts, so I have not the faintest of clues.
I am dismissing TSP's immediate linking of these events to the Rahl Family and to the 25 nation region of Lone Wolves United. TSP devoted a full third of their statement to not-so-subtlety suggesting that Rahl/LWU (RahLWU) is "couping" TEP by their mere presence alone. This does not indicate that TSP is concerned with the rights of The East Pacific nations, but rather their own paranoia that The East Pacific is going down a path that TSP doesn't agree with, and will resort to any amount of slander and rumor pushing to prevent The East Pacific from walking a path that TSP doesn't approve of.
If TSP were so concerned about the nations of The East Pacific, then TSP would have left their proof-less, baseless, fear mongering propaganda out of their statement. But their intent clearly was never to advocate for The East Pacific nations, this statement was just a vessel by which TSP could more easily sell their conspiracy theory to the masses.
by Killer Kitty » Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:03 pm
The Church of Satan wrote: Consolidation of power, mass ejection of native nations, misinformation and dismissal of the obvious events in front of the eyes of others. These are the most common signs of a coup. Signs that are all present in TEP.
by The Church of Satan » Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:08 pm
Killer Kitty wrote:The Church of Satan wrote: Consolidation of power, mass ejection of native nations, misinformation and dismissal of the obvious events in front of the eyes of others. These are the most common signs of a coup. Signs that are all present in TEP.
Except, as I understand it, the nations being ejected have never even posted on the forums, in the vast majority of cases have never posted on the RMB, and in most cases never posted anywhere ever.
So if this is about the "consolation of power", then what's up with that? What power is there to be consolidated with that action? How is RahLWU benefiting from that?
by Killer Kitty » Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:14 pm
The Church of Satan wrote:Such nations however are a possible threat in the event that the LWU and Rahls must fight off allies that decide to uphold their treaties in a manner not beneficial to themselves. They could be swayed to join the WA and fight against the would-be coupers. Everyone else, outside of government and citizens is likely to have submitted to the intimidation at the hands of Fedele's administration.
by The Church of Satan » Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:23 pm
Killer Kitty wrote:The Church of Satan wrote:Such nations however are a possible threat in the event that the LWU and Rahls must fight off allies that decide to uphold their treaties in a manner not beneficial to themselves. They could be swayed to join the WA and fight against the would-be coupers. Everyone else, outside of government and citizens is likely to have submitted to the intimidation at the hands of Fedele's administration.
You do know the difference between "ejected" and "banned", right? The only thing stopping those "resistance fighters", as you are apparently framing them, from returning to TEP is their ability to find the move regions button.
And, again, if this is the belief of TSP, why didn't they outright state it here? Why the coy language and double speak?
by Killer Kitty » Mon Jul 08, 2019 9:55 pm
The Church of Satan wrote:If it is not so then why the mass ejections at the hands of Fedele's administration? Why the consolidation of power? Why the stranglehold on the Magisterium?
by The Church of Satan » Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:21 pm
Killer Kitty wrote:The Church of Satan wrote:If it is not so then why the mass ejections at the hands of Fedele's administration? Why the consolidation of power? Why the stranglehold on the Magisterium?
You're arguing in circles. The ejections aren't a consolidation of power at all, they're just an attempt to spark activity and make TEP a bit more interesting. All your other "points" are outside the statement TSP has presented here in their embassy and belong in Cormac's conspiracy thread.
by Armaros » Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:39 am
by Numero Capitan » Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:53 am
Armaros wrote:I mean, if TSP wants to be outraged on behalf of people who really couldn't give a shit themselves, fair enough, I guess. Not sure why they decided that, after that announcement, it would be a good idea to rant about a perceived RahLWUspiracy.
by Glen-Rhodes » Tue Jul 09, 2019 7:40 am
by Devi » Tue Jul 09, 2019 9:19 am
Armaros wrote:I mean, if TSP wants to be outraged on behalf of people who really couldn't give a shit themselves, fair enough, I guess. Not sure why they decided that, after that announcement, it would be a good idea to rant about a perceived RahLWUspiracy.
by Wymondham » Tue Jul 09, 2019 10:57 am
by Wallenburg » Wed Jul 10, 2019 5:14 pm
Glen-Rhodes wrote:East Malaysia wrote:
Article F: Rights of Citizens, Section 7*
They seem to have missed the title of that section too. I thought it would be important to point out. Context is key.
The clause in question is explicitly targeting “nations” and not “citizens.” That’s a distinction made multiple times in the article. For example, the right to form alliances is granted to all nations, not just citizens, in Section 2.
Your defense here, due respect, is that the Magisterium is bad at writing laws and didn’t mean to make that distinction.
by Cormactopia Prime » Wed Jul 10, 2019 5:35 pm
Wallenburg wrote:Glen-Rhodes wrote:
The clause in question is explicitly targeting “nations” and not “citizens.” That’s a distinction made multiple times in the article. For example, the right to form alliances is granted to all nations, not just citizens, in Section 2.
Your defense here, due respect, is that the Magisterium is bad at writing laws and didn’t mean to make that distinction.
I don't think it's possible to seriously suggest the Concordat is written well.
by Great Algerstonia » Wed Jul 10, 2019 5:55 pm
The Church of Satan wrote:Killer Kitty wrote:
You're arguing in circles. The ejections aren't a consolidation of power at all, they're just an attempt to spark activity and make TEP a bit more interesting. All your other "points" are outside the statement TSP has presented here in their embassy and belong in Cormac's conspiracy thread.
How does displacing hundreds of nations create activity? All it does is lower the potential for activity. It doesn't make the ejected nations more active and it doesn't make the nations "fortunate" enough to not fall under the criteria for being branded a marsupial any more active. It achieves nothing other than lowering the region's population. TSP has said nothing that is unlikely or impossible. In fact the reverse is true. They're concern for their ally is both warranted and right.
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by Ever-Wandering Souls » Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:04 pm
Zukchiva wrote:I don't agree with the purges, but they don't affect me so I've chosen to ignore them. They could be seen as unauthorized and undemocratic, but they are following the law based on an interpretation.
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