Embassy of the South Pacific

[East Malaysia]

By quoting a disregarded part of the Concordat at its long standing ally?

Article F: Rights of Citizens, Section 7*

They seem to have missed the title of that section too. I thought it would be important to point out. Context is key.

[The Church of Satan]

Oh, look, TSP trying to interfere with a GCR again, just like they did in Lazarus with CU. You guys gonna publish another anonymous article to try to rile up the natives, just like you did for Lazarus, or is Roavin all booked up this week?

But TSP trying to subvert a GCR? I'm plenty experienced in that.

Oh yeah, you're quite experienced in subverting GCRs. Lazarus in particular! So Mr. Pot I must direct you to Mr. Kettle. You two must be well-acquainted already though. >_>

[Zukchiva]

It legitimately says "Rights of Citizens" right above that.

I don't agree with the purges, but they don't affect me so I've chosen to ignore them. They could be seen as unauthorized and undemocratic, but they are following the law based on an interpretation.

For years, it's been seen that residents have no rights and can be banned whenever the Delegate wants. Only citizens have a trial before being banned. This stems from TEP's past citizenship procedures where it was extremely easy to become a citizen (literally copy and paste a sentence on our forums). While it isn't as easy and citizenship can be denied nowadays, the interpretation has remained. Now, the interpretation may be wrong, or at least probably outdated and should be changed (so I'm looking into that), but that's how it's been historically and until now, no one has risen to debate it. And we've banned many, many residents using that interpretation (spammers, trollers, flamers. Not just innocent nations who do nothing in our region). So kudos, I guess.

Tho there are a few of us who support residents' getting rights and it may get looked at soon, so that's that.

[Davelands]

You're very quick to defend your friends...

That is a character trait I respect and appreciate in a friend.

[Numero Capitan]

That's a terrible interpretation of the Concordat that leaves the region open to all kinds of abuse.

Don't come crying when it happens.

You're very quick to defend your friends...

That is a character trait I respect and appreciate in a friend.

Your childish indifference to what is happening here is very telling.

[Zukchiva]

I guess we'll see how long it takes.

[Roavin]

Oh, look, TSP trying to interfere with a GCR again

[citation needed]

just like they did in Lazarus with CU

[citation needed]

[Marsupial Rebel]

Two clarifications :

(1) "The Fedele administration has adopted a program of freely ejecting any nation that is not a member of the World Assembly, has not applied for official citizenship via The East Pacific forum, and maintains the default NationStates flag."

That is not correct. First we see if a nation is still flying the default flag. If so, then we check to see if they are in the WA, if not, we check to see if they are TEP citizens. If they are not citizens, then they are shown to be marsupials and removed from our presence.

I recently declared my ratification of the Concordat, which (as of the time of my declaration) was the only condition necessary for citizenship as per a dispatch created and disseminated by Fedele himself. I was met with an ejection nonetheless and the dispatch seems to have been conveniently deleted.

How long will it take until this liberal banning policy expands beyond nations that can be currently classified as "marsupials"?

[Zukchiva]

Two clarifications :

(1) "The Fedele administration has adopted a program of freely ejecting any nation that is not a member of the World Assembly, has not applied for official citizenship via The East Pacific forum, and maintains the default NationStates flag."

That is not correct. First we see if a nation is still flying the default flag. If so, then we check to see if they are in the WA, if not, we check to see if they are TEP citizens. If they are not citizens, then they are shown to be marsupials and removed from our presence.

I recently declared my ratification of the Concordat, which (as of the time of my declaration) was the only condition necessary for citizenship as per a dispatch created and disseminated by Fedele himself. I was met with an ejection nonetheless and the dispatch seems to have been conveniently deleted.

How long will it take until this liberal banning policy expands beyond nations that can be currently classified as "marsupials"?

It's almost always been like that.

We should get residents' rights, tbh. owo

[Killer Kitty]

Oh yeah, you're quite experienced in subverting GCRs. Lazarus in particular! So Mr. Pot I must direct you to Mr. Kettle. You two must be well-acquainted already though. >_>

If I recall correctly, and I do, the "Resistance" was led by an NPO spy who was part of Perg's "Task Force Lazarus", going off a mysterious article published by one "Curious Observations" who later aided "the resistance" in plotting against the elected delegate, and that this individual turned out to be Roavin, then Prime Minister of TSP.

Not really sure where I'm the one who was subverting Lazarus in that situation. The "opposition" was literally stuffed with foreign actors.

[Cormactopia Prime]

Not really sure where I'm the one who was subverting Lazarus in that situation. The "opposition" was literally stuffed with foreign actors.

And so was your side. But enough about 2018, let's live in the now and stop letting Evil Wolf distract us from the matter at hand.

[Americastrailia]

The "opposition" was literally stuffed with foreign actors.

Yeah. And so was the Khanate.

Honestly, everyone throwing around accusations about what happened in Lazarus is totally off-base. The NPO mobilized two groups within the region, created a division, and took advantage of the internal weakness to attempt NLO 2.0. Seriously, EW wasn't even the point man in all this, he was just support for what he thought was the legitimate delegate of Lazarus, who turned out to be none other than Feux in disguise.

[Cormactopia Prime]

Seriously, EW wasn't even the point man in all this, he was just support for what he thought was the legitimate delegate of Lazarus, who turned out to be none other than Feux in disguise.

Uh? Nope. Aleister/Lamb was the Delegate of Lazarus. Feux was Adytus. Honestly, Galiantus, please like, learn things before speaking.

Agreed though that there's no reason to be talking about Lazarus here. It's what Evil Wolf wants people to do to distract from what's happening in TEP.

[The Church of Satan]

Oh yeah, you're quite experienced in subverting GCRs. Lazarus in particular! So Mr. Pot I must direct you to Mr. Kettle. You two must be well-acquainted already though. >_>

If I recall correctly, and I do, the "Resistance" was led by an NPO spy who was part of Perg's "Task Force Lazarus", going off a mysterious article published by one "Curious Observations" who later aided "the resistance" in plotting against the elected delegate, and that this individual turned out to be Roavin, then Prime Minister of TSP.

Not really sure where I'm the one who was subverting Lazarus in that situation. The "opposition" was literally stuffed with foreign actors.

I'm pretty sure the resistance you're talking about actually had the law on its side. Something, something Khanate coup, something, something LWU....

So your blatant disregard for literally all regional law everywhere doesn't count for much when you have the gall to criticize TSP for showing concern of a treaty ally. >_>

[Americastrailia]

Seriously, EW wasn't even the point man in all this, he was just support for what he thought was the legitimate delegate of Lazarus, who turned out to be none other than Feux in disguise.

Uh? Nope. Aleister/Lamb was the Delegate of Lazarus. Feux was Adytus. Honestly, Galiantus, please like, learn things before speaking.

I was talking about before the planned transition to Adytus. Lamb was in the same situation as EW.

Edit: And my mistake doesn't matter because the whole game plan of the NPO/TFL was to capture Lazarus by creating divisions and fitting Feux in the right spot to exploit them. EW's understanding of things at the time would have put him in the position of defending the region from an attempted takeover of Funk's government, which is exactly what he claimed at the time and matches what the NPO/TFL intended.

[Curious Observations]

You guys gonna publish another anonymous article to try to rile up the natives, just like you did for Lazarus, or is Roavin all booked up this week?

I see you miss me. But hey, good job derailing the actual topic of the conversation away from your companions.

Agreed though that there's no reason to be talking about Lazarus here. It's what Evil Wolf wants people to do to distract from what's happening in TEP.

....and I see Cormac beat me to my point of rhetoric while I was lazily refounding this puppet.

[Killer Kitty]

The "opposition" was literally stuffed with foreign actors.

Yeah. And so was the Khanate.

And the Khanate (2018) wasn't the Dominion (2017), which is what TSP is referring to here when squawking about their LWU conspiracy theory.

Also, not true, the Khanate had nearly the same government as Dominion and I don't know how raiders who had been part of Lazarus for a decade, a half a decade, and 2 years, respectively, are now "foreign actors", but hey, not the point.

If TSP was really concerned about TEP's actions, they wouldn't have included a rambling conspiracy theory in there. If TSP really cared about the nations being ejected, they would have ended their statement there. But they didn't.

[Qvait]

(Image)

I don't agree with the purges, but they don't affect me so I've chosen to ignore them.

That is the same language that was used by people right up until the point that there was no one to defend them.

[The Church of Satan]

Yeah. And so was the Khanate.

And the Khanate (2018) wasn't the Dominion (2017), which is what TSP is referring to here when squawking about their LWU conspiracy theory.
eign actors", but hey, not the point.

If TSP was really concerned about TEP's actions, they wouldn't have included a rambling conspiracy theory in there. If TSP really cared about the nations being ejected, they would have ended their statement there. But they didn't.

So I suppose the shift in power at TEP isn't actually focused on members of LWU, one of which has actually couped a GCR within the last year? Yeah...there's no rational thought or historical precedent behind it at all.

[Americastrailia]

So I suppose the shift in power at TEP isn't actually focused on members of LWU, one of which has actually couped a GCR within the last year? Yeah...there's no rational thought or historical precedent behind it at all.

This all depends on whether you believe the existence of Taskforce Lazarus. If Taskforce Lazarus was a thing, EW did not coup a GCR in the past year. If it wasn't, then he did.

[Lord Dominator]

Two clarifications :

(1) "The Fedele administration has adopted a program of freely ejecting any nation that is not a member of the World Assembly, has not applied for official citizenship via The East Pacific forum, and maintains the default NationStates flag."

That is not correct. First we see if a nation is still flying the default flag. If so, then we check to see if they are in the WA, if not, we check to see if they are TEP citizens. If they are not citizens, then they are shown to be marsupials and removed from our presence.

You are making it look like we are ejecting all non - WA and all non - citizen nations and all nations that is flying the default flag.

You're saying the exact same thing that TSP is. Not the 'and' in their statement.

[Aclion]

Two clarifications :

(1) "The Fedele administration has adopted a program of freely ejecting any nation that is not a member of the World Assembly, has not applied for official citizenship via The East Pacific forum, and maintains the default NationStates flag."

That is not correct. First we see if a nation is still flying the default flag. If so, then we check to see if they are in the WA, if not, we check to see if they are TEP citizens. If they are not citizens, then they are shown to be marsupials and removed from our presence.

You are making it look like we are ejecting all non - WA and all non - citizen nations and all nations that is flying the default flag.

You're saying the exact same thing that TSP is. Not the 'and' in their statement.

"And" can be inclusive or exclusive.
Ah English, how it vexes.

[Zukchiva]

(Image)

I don't agree with the purges, but they don't affect me so I've chosen to ignore them.

That is the same language that was used by people right up until the point that there was no one to defend them.

You know, you are correct.

"..and there was no one left to speak for me."

I guess, all the more reason to look at improving residents' rights.

[Lord Dominator]

You're saying the exact same thing that TSP is. Not the 'and' in their statement.

"And" can be inclusive or exclusive.
Ah English, how it vexes.

And yet, TSP's statement seems to rather clearly imply that all conditions must be met.

Aside of course, that their statement is in regard to mass banjections being done on flimsy pretext.

[Killer Kitty]

So I suppose the shift in power at TEP isn't actually focused on members of LWU, one of which has actually couped a GCR within the last year? Yeah...there's no rational thought or historical precedent behind it at all.

Well, that depends. Is TSP really concerned about the "innocent nations" or are they *really* focused on their New Khanate conspiracy theory?

I mean, they did devote 1/3rd of their statement to ranting about how TEP was becoming the Khanate.