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by Glen-Rhodes » Fri Apr 20, 2018 8:51 am
by Ever-Wandering Souls » Fri Apr 20, 2018 9:01 am
Escade wrote:I won't be accepting an apology from you or "your" region for attempting to silence me by attacking me as a subversive without any proof, without any evidence, and simply because of the herd mentality you argue you do not espouse. If it has become the norm that Euro attempts to slime individuals as subversive for criticism that doesn't align with your own then I guess the McCarthyism that has infected much of your sphere is indeed viral.
The Alicorns (Equestria) wrote:Let them stay, no need to badmouth them...From our view a bunch of nations just came in, seized the delegate position, and changed a few superficial things...we play NationStates differently...there's really no reason for us to be butthurt.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8944227
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8951258
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by Onderkelkia » Fri Apr 20, 2018 9:23 am
Escade wrote: Balder prescribes TSP even though we have no interest in Balder, Euro in the one chance it gets denies citizenship to the same players that Balder has proscribed. There are no lies here, action from Balder follows action from Euro in a consistent way.
Escade wrote: Balder and TSP mutually break off ties because Balder thinks it can run our foreign affairs and that creates hostility
Escade wrote:Sopo, has supported the attempted coup of TSP just as Balder did in 2016. If you're such an independent region that does what it wants....why do most of your actions follow that of Balder?
Consular wrote:Ok I'm sorry but hasn't Onder and co repeatedly argued in the past that your often belligerent commentary doesn't represent Balder, even though you're the Queen?
by King HEM » Fri Apr 20, 2018 9:30 am
I was a member and citizen of Euro, and also have some legitimate criticisms of the region. In fact, unless there's an official Regional Affairs logo I speak as an individual on all NSGP venues. You're not the only one capable of criticism and you're criticism regarding a post that has a ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) face attached to it was ridiculous. You might argue that Tim's sense of humor wasn't as good as it usually is, etc, but you forced it quite a bit there to take pot shots.
I won't be accepting an apology from you or "your" region for attempting to silence me by attacking me as a subversive without any proof, without any evidence, and simply because of the herd mentality you argue you do not espouse. If it has become the norm that Euro attempts to slime individuals as subversive for criticism that doesn't align with your own then I guess the McCarthyism that has infected much of your sphere is indeed viral. Or perhaps you should build a culture of criticism at home where you can actually accept or even look at a response to you without piling on.
It's not a simple process of being denied citizenship which was merely an example of the herd mentality; it's because you haven't been able to explain why Euro seems lock and step in following whatever it is Balder does. Balder and TSP mutually break off ties because Balder thinks it can run our foreign affairs and that creates hostility, and a bit later Euro breaks off ties under many guises but let's face it, you follow what Balder does. Balder prescribes TSP even though we have no interest in Balder, Euro in the one chance it gets denies citizenship to the same players that Balder has proscribed. There are no lies here, action from Balder follows action from Euro in a consistent way.
The President of Euro, Sopo, has supported the attempted coup of TSP just as Balder did in 2016. If you're such an independent region that does what it wants....why do most of your actions follow that of Balder? I guess it's convenient. Anyway, you aren't the only citizen or former citizen of a region capable of criticism of said former region. Perhaps, Euro should just come out and accept that they do what Balder does or wants because that is the relationship of imperialism. Or you can keep denying it as the evidence piles up.
by Deladara » Fri Apr 20, 2018 9:36 am
Glen-Rhodes wrote:Escade has been playing this game for 5 years. She’s been a GCR Delegate and a long-time minister. She’s been involved in NSGP for years. If you disagree with her, then have a debate, like you would do any other player who isn’t “glittery” or feminine. There are a lot of male players who say the same damn things and are taken seriously as actual experienced players.
by Glen-Rhodes » Fri Apr 20, 2018 10:32 am
Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:Bitch about baseless accusations of subversion *after* you’ve gone and called out the regions in your sphere of friends that are currently blacklisting others fully without providing any specific or evidence, and just shouting “subversion!” Until then, doesn’t ring very sincere.
by Roavin » Fri Apr 20, 2018 10:51 am
Onderkelkia wrote:Once again, TSP officials are operating in the realms of fantasy.
Onderkelkia wrote:The real reason TSP terminated its treaty with Balder is that pro-defender politicians had hopes of manipulating Europeia towards their position but knew they had zero chance in Balder. Europeia, of course, proved to be far less gullible than the defenders in TSP had hoped for and now you are annoyed about it.
by Ever-Wandering Souls » Fri Apr 20, 2018 10:56 am
Glen-Rhodes wrote:Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:Bitch about baseless accusations of subversion *after* you’ve gone and called out the regions in your sphere of friends that are currently blacklisting others fully without providing any specific or evidence, and just shouting “subversion!” Until then, doesn’t ring very sincere.
It’s also possible that one bloc of this game actually engages in active subversion, rather gleefully. If we’re bothering to be honest here, TSP, TNP, and TRR are the only GCRs that haven’t tried infiltrating and manipulating another GCR.
The Alicorns (Equestria) wrote:Let them stay, no need to badmouth them...From our view a bunch of nations just came in, seized the delegate position, and changed a few superficial things...we play NationStates differently...there's really no reason for us to be butthurt.
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8944227
http://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=8951258
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by Drop Your Pants » Fri Apr 20, 2018 11:19 am
Solorni wrote:Roavin and Glen-Rhodes posts are perfect examples of why people do not believe they are posting on good faith. Absolutely shameless.
by King HEM » Fri Apr 20, 2018 11:31 am
The attempt to strong-arm TSP through backchannels to disassociate itself from Lazarus and TRR.
by Razzle Dazzle » Fri Apr 20, 2018 11:33 am
Solorni wrote:Roavin and Glen-Rhodes posts are perfect examples of why people do not believe they are posting on good faith. Absolutely shameless.
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by Glen-Rhodes » Fri Apr 20, 2018 12:11 pm
King HEM wrote:The attempt to strong-arm TSP through backchannels to disassociate itself from Lazarus and TRR.
Alliances exist because two regions share common interests. If one of those common interests is foreign policy, and if Region A starts getting very close to adversaries to Region B, there is cause to be concerned by that and try to react to it. If Region A decides that having relations with the adversaries is more important than the concerns of Region B, that is fully their right, but it isn't irrational for Region B to then take their chips and go home.
I think the narrative of "it's wrong for you to be mad at us for making friends with your enemies!!!" is a bit overwrought. There's a balance to be had in respecting the individuality of your partners, but there may also be a logical point of no return.
by Onderkelkia » Fri Apr 20, 2018 12:21 pm
Roavin wrote:The attempt to strong-arm TSP through backchannels to disassociate itself from Lazarus and TRR
Roavin wrote:Solorni's demonstrable and provable support for the coup government in early 2016
Roavin wrote:Continuous slander of TSP, in particular by Solorni but also by others
by Ikania » Fri Apr 20, 2018 12:43 pm
Solorni wrote:Roavin and Glen-Rhodes posts are perfect examples of why people do not believe they are posting on good faith. Absolutely shameless.
by Altinsane » Fri Apr 20, 2018 12:43 pm
by RiderSyl » Fri Apr 20, 2018 12:46 pm
Glen-Rhodes wrote:Lastly, I’ll say this at NSGP in general. There has been a consistent undercurrent of sexism in how Escade has been treated for the past year and more.
by Malphe » Fri Apr 20, 2018 12:48 pm
Altinsane wrote:Did you guys see how quickly things backtracked when Glen mentioned the word "sexism"? What a powerful thing. Very interesting the fear that you can provoke in a good person when you accuse them of doing a bad thing. It doesn't matter if they're right or not anymore - it all just becomes nervous attempts at an explanation and apologies. Good way to stop an argument. It's enormously destructive to actual cases of sexism, though, and the stand that we as women can take against it. Escade doesn't get treated the way that she does because she's a woman. She gets treated the way that she does because she makes big statements, but doesn't always choose to back them. Instead she tends to choose aggression over representation with statements like "since facts are difficult for you" and insults masked in Sarcasm. Are we genuinely going to assert that people are sexist against Escade because of a "hey lady" comment directly after Escade goes mudslinging on Euro as a region and Solorni as a person with the "Mother Rach" line of thought? If GP is sexist against Escade, then she is not innocent herself.
Luckily for her, that is not true sexism. No walls have been put up against Escade because she's a woman. I would frankly be insulted if I were her at the insinuation that the attention I'd earned was due to my gender, not to the antics that I'd chosen to use. Escade likes to have fun and use gifs to communicate, and that's fine. It's considered an annoyance to some people in some circumstances in the same way that I would be annoyed if I received a business email and there was a gif at the end of it. There's a time and place for everything. Some people take these discussions.. unusually seriously, and to them this is not the time or the place for Gossip Girl gifs. That's not sexism, it's professionalism. They're allowed to play that way if they'd like, same as Escade is allowed to play whichever way she likes.
I would be casually annoyed and say nothing about this usually if not for the fact that sexism does exist on NS. Displaying things like a disagreement in gameplay style or backlash from accusations that you've made as genuine sexism cheapens actual sexism and disempowers women to stop sexism when it happens to them. You're putting us in a boy who cried wolf situation. I would say a girl who cried wolf, but this is realistically more of a boy who cried wolf on behalf of a girl thing. We have gracefully been given the power and resources that we needed to stand up for ourselves when we feel like we're being treated unfairly, same as men. Escade knows how to get herself into these situations and she knows how to see her way out of them. She's a smarter player than apparently even you see fit to give her credit for. We appreciate your sensitivity toward the gentle feelings of womankind, but we assure you we are tougher than we look. If we see any incoming wolves, we will say something. In the mean time, please try not to call out the village in fear that an ant hill might hurt us. Ant hills are not wolves. It's fine.
by Glen-Rhodes » Fri Apr 20, 2018 2:01 pm
by Mother Rach » Fri Apr 20, 2018 2:37 pm
Aexnidaral wrote:Thank you, Ambrella, for preaching the ways of Mother Rach. Glory be unto the Chosen One.
by Razzle Dazzle » Fri Apr 20, 2018 2:40 pm
Eluvatar wrote:Back in my day, we endotarted up-hill both ways in the snow! #DiscordsAreLazy
by Vincent Drake » Fri Apr 20, 2018 2:43 pm
by Mother Rach » Fri Apr 20, 2018 2:56 pm
Vincent Drake wrote:Soooo...which one gets impaled and turned defender? Which one brings down the WALL?
by Consular » Fri Apr 20, 2018 3:33 pm
Onderkelkia wrote:Rach is not a member of the Balder Statsraadet (Cabinet), the executive body charged with running Balder under the direction of the Statsminister.
Escade is a member of the Cabinet of The South Pacific, not its figurehead delegate.
The correct comparison is between Balder and TSP cabinet members. If a member of the Balder Cabinet posted on foreign policy matters in Balder's embassy thread, and their views did not reflect Balder's position, they would almost certainly be relieved of their duties as a consequence.
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