NationStates

The Sygian wrote:

Revolutionary Vanguardism wrote:-snip-

Have you seen their foreign affairs lately? inb4 "Mistakes happen"

Revolutionary Vanguardism wrote:Lazarenes must find their own way to sovereignty, preferably away from... imperialists.

That would necessitate staying away from the NPO as well. I suppose you and I can both agree, though, that the Lazarenes are in need of a legitimate revolution. So far as it is not one that is inspired by the degenerated feederite state of the NPO.

I know, at least based upon your posts in this thread, that you are somewhere between Cormac's large and small intestine, so I will assume you are ingesting his particular brand of kool-aid at a rarefied level.

So, which is it? Is the NPO a 'degenerate blah blah blah' that can't handle their own affairs or a behind the scenes manipulator pulling the strings in a Lazarene conspiracy theory? It seems like the two are incompatible. Maybe we are secretly reorganising the ADN in order to split the defender sphere? Or maybe I'm really Blue Wolf?

Get back to me when you can get your story (preferably with some substance to back it up) straight. Thanks dear.

I feel inclined to remind Cormac that a purge would be illegal unless the people banjected had broken the laws and we're found guilty by the Court. Too bad Funk compromised the Court in a way that prohibits it from properly functioning.

United Federated States of Omega wrote:I feel inclined to remind Cormac that a purge would be illegal unless the people banjected had broken the laws and we're found guilty by the Court. Too bad Funk compromised the Court in a way that prohibits it from properly functioning.

While I am loath to side with Cormac, how exactly would it be illegal for the sitting Delegate of Lazarus to take such an action? Surely the offsite government is reliant upon its support.

Pierconium wrote:-snip-

I am delighted by the fact that you have chosen not to disagree with me or Cormac on the current state of the NPO as a degenerated feederite state. It is a shame indeed to leave such a strong, powerful, and badass legacy behind in pursuit of a state led by officials like Pergamon who have been corrupted by userite propaganda.

United Federated States of Omega wrote:I feel inclined to remind Cormac that a purge would be illegal unless the people banjected had broken the laws and we're found guilty by the Court. Too bad Funk compromised the Court in a way that prohibits it from properly functioning.

Funkadelia must go through any means necessary to achieve a successful and permanent feederite revolution in order to maintain the sovereignty of the sinker state that has been decomposed through the buffoonery of the userite.

The Sygian wrote:

Pierconium wrote:-snip-

I am delighted by the fact that you have chosen not to disagree with me or Cormac on the current state of the NPO as a degenerated feederite state. It is a shame indeed to leave such a strong, powerful, and badass legacy behind in pursuit of a state led by officials like Pergamon who have been corrupted by userite propaganda.

United Federated States of Omega wrote:I feel inclined to remind Cormac that a purge would be illegal unless the people banjected had broken the laws and we're found guilty by the Court. Too bad Funk compromised the Court in a way that prohibits it from properly functioning.

Funkadelia must go through any means necessary to achieve a successful and permanent feederite revolution in order to maintain the sovereignty of the sinker state that has been decomposed through the buffoonery of the userite.

Rest assured that the Pacific is in good hands.

Pierconium wrote:

United Federated States of Omega wrote:I feel inclined to remind Cormac that a purge would be illegal unless the people banjected had broken the laws and we're found guilty by the Court. Too bad Funk compromised the Court in a way that prohibits it from properly functioning.

While I am loath to side with Cormac, how exactly would it be illegal for the sitting Delegate of Lazarus to take such an action? Surely the offsite government is reliant upon its support.

The CMA dictates that people may only be banjected for 3 reasons:
1. Been charged with and found guilty of a crime
2. Broken the NS terms of use
3. Violated the RMB rule.

Pierconium wrote:I know, at least based upon your posts in this thread, that you are somewhere between Cormac's large and small intestine, so I will assume you are ingesting his particular brand of kool-aid at a rarefied level.

What in the holy fuck did I just read?

Ridersyl wrote:

Pierconium wrote:I know, at least based upon your posts in this thread, that you are somewhere between Cormac's large and small intestine, so I will assume you are ingesting his particular brand of kool-aid at a rarefied level.

What in the holy fuck did I just read?

An amusing and accurate assessment.

I'm dissapointed that Cormac chooses to avoid discussion of the situation he orchestrated in Osiris and how it parallels the inauspicious events ongoing in Lazarus. The end result though will be the same.

What are the goals of these purges? An alignment change? There was a time when coups, if this can be dignified as one, were noteworthy.

The problem with Viagra is that it isn't a cure and it is psychologically addictive.

United Federated States of Omega wrote:

Pierconium wrote:While I am loath to side with Cormac, how exactly would it be illegal for the sitting Delegate of Lazarus to take such an action? Surely the offsite government is reliant upon its support.

The CMA dictates that people may only be banjected for 3 reasons:
1. Been charged with and found guilty of a crime
2. Broken the NS terms of use
3. Violated the RMB rule.

You don't understand what Ivan means here. What's implied is that the Delegate of a GCR is the de facto law. Said delegate can support a formation of a government with made up laws in a pseudo democracy, but that's only an extension of a delegate, delegating his/her power. The only true democracy that exists in a GCR is the endorsement mechanic applied to the sitting delegate.

Should a delegate wish that the made up laws hold no power, that is at their behest. Along with kicking, banning, suppression, and other available utilities in the admin panel. The only legitimate way to resist such a decision is to vote in a replacement via the endorsement mechanic.

Now I expounded more than what was implied, so I do not mean to put words in Ivan's mouth, but that's the gist of it.

Though I have mostly washed my hands of this game and I am doing my best to avoid becoming active here again, when I was told about this situation I had to come online and gloat a little bit. Back during my limited time as Sovereign of Lazarus I informed people that I was worried of the possibility of Funk couping, and was basically laughed at for it; because he was Funk and he would never do that, and that was the point where I gave up on Lazarus. Now many of those same people are up in arms because there is a very strong possibility that Funk is going to coup.

I am only going to say that if you had listened to me then, you wouldn't be having this problem now... of course, perhaps if I had had the energy then to lead a region in the face of Funk's particular brand of politics this situation might never have happened. But c'est la vie. Funk has never cared about Lazarus, Funk has always only ever cared about his own personal power and position. If someone were to coup Lazarus I would hope that it would be someone who actually cares about the region, but eh.

The Lazarus I loved died a long time ago; so I'm not too miffed about the idea of Funk overthrowing the region.

Starberries wrote:Though I have mostly washed my hands of this game and I am doing my best to avoid becoming active here again, when I was told about this situation I had to come online and gloat a little bit. Back during my limited time as Sovereign of Lazarus I informed people that I was worried of the possibility of Funk couping, and was basically laughed at for it; because he was Funk and he would never do that

I remember you! Gloat away. Lazarus was excited about you as the new Sovereign, and I was attempting to better Osiran-Lazerene relations with you and Amerion at the time. Then you raised the red flag on Funk, and the place seemed to turn on you. I didn't quite believe you either at the time...

Delegate Stu saw the problem years ago and took action, truly a man ahead of the time.

Ridersyl wrote:I remember you! Gloat away. Lazarus was excited about you as the new Sovereign, and I was attempting to better Osiran-Lazerene relations with you and Amerion at the time. Then you raised the red flag on Funk, and the place seemed to turn on you. I didn't quite believe you either at the time...

More like Starberries went horribly inactive

Drop Your Pants wrote:

Ridersyl wrote:I remember you! Gloat away. Lazarus was excited about you as the new Sovereign, and I was attempting to better Osiran-Lazerene relations with you and Amerion at the time. Then you raised the red flag on Funk, and the place seemed to turn on you. I didn't quite believe you either at the time...

More like Starberries went horribly inactive

Literally vanished, and left the region paralyzed until she could be near unanimously recalled from office.

Altmoras wrote:

Drop Your Pants wrote:More like Starberries went horribly inactive

Literally vanished, and left the region paralyzed until she could be near unanimously recalled from office.

I mean. At least she didn't walk out during her time like Kowassiti did

Starberries wrote:Though I have mostly washed my hands of this game and I am doing my best to avoid becoming active here again, when I was told about this situation I had to come online and gloat a little bit. Back during my limited time as Sovereign of Lazarus I informed people that I was worried of the possibility of Funk couping, and was basically laughed at for it; because he was Funk and he would never do that, and that was the point where I gave up on Lazarus. Now many of those same people are up in arms because there is a very strong possibility that Funk is going to coup.

I am only going to say that if you had listened to me then, you wouldn't be having this problem now... of course, perhaps if I had had the energy then to lead a region in the face of Funk's particular brand of politics this situation might never have happened. But c'est la vie. Funk has never cared about Lazarus, Funk has always only ever cared about his own personal power and position. If someone were to coup Lazarus I would hope that it would be someone who actually cares about the region, but eh.

The Lazarus I loved died a long time ago; so I'm not too miffed about the idea of Funk overthrowing the region.

Then you should've couped right before you disappeared x3
You were in the ideal position to do so, highest endo count in the region with guaranteed outside support. He probably didn't even have his WA in the region.
It's kinda cowardly that you chose instead to vanish without LoA- which was respectable until - Well, what's there to gloat about? Your inaction towards Funkadelia?


OOC: I'm glad you're safe <3

Reading through this thread, I actually almost admire Cormac's relentless commitment to apparently any narrative which could cause problems for other people.

Consular wrote:Reading through this thread, I actually almost admire Cormac's relentless commitment to apparently any narrative which could cause problems for other people.

I almost don't admire it...

A reconfirmation vote was held for Harmoneia, one of Lazarus' oldest natives, to keep her position as Guardian. Very narrowly, the reconfirmation passed

There could be other reasons for this. Harmoneia only has 0.8 posts per day on the Lazarus forums and her only notable achievement in Lazarus in the past 7 or so years was resigning as Delegate by accident.

As to my thoughts on raiders and defenders fighting over Lazarus, I think it is disappointing when a region isn't something to build but instead becomes something to fight over. Many in Lazarus can't really complain because this is how people have treated Lazarus for a long time now. When the longest serving members of Lazarus have not treated the region as a home and instead have sold it out every chance they get, then this is what happens. I do think people like Kazmr and Altmoras (wish he could have stayed longer) had good intentions and set good standards in the region, but there are a lot of other defender Lazarenes... many of the so called 'oldest natives' who have set the bar extremely low and who really can't complain.

Solorni wrote:

A reconfirmation vote was held for Harmoneia, one of Lazarus' oldest natives, to keep her position as Guardian. Very narrowly, the reconfirmation passed

There could be other reasons for this. Harmoneia only has 0.8 posts per day on the Lazarus forums and her only notable achievement in Lazarus in the past 7 or so years was resigning as Delegate by accident.

Clearly you haven't been paying much attention at all to the stabilizing and respected role that Harmoneia has played in Lazarus in the last few years. She's been a pillar of dedication to the region, even throughout her periods of low activity.

Ikania wrote:

Solorni wrote:There could be other reasons for this. Harmoneia only has 0.8 posts per day on the Lazarus forums and her only notable achievement in Lazarus in the past 7 or so years was resigning as Delegate by accident.

Clearly you haven't been paying much attention at all to the stabilizing and respected role that Harmoneia has played in Lazarus in the last few years. She's been a pillar of dedication to the region, even throughout her periods of low activity.

Harmoneia supported the PRL coup and the purge of citizens of Lazarus during that period. She supported Feux doing this so that Lazarus would become a legitimate defender region and member of FRA. She sold out and this directly led to all the instability and continued fighting between various groups over Lazarus. People like Harmoneia made it okay to sell out Lazarus and also her actions helped normalize trying to take it over Lazarus and purging your enemies... something we have seen repeatedly in Lazarus.

Additionally she is the only GCR delegate I know of to accidentally resign from the Delegacy. Not exactly something respectable in a region like Lazarus. I do not consider any of that as being a pillar of dedication for Lazarus. Perhaps she was a pillar of dedication for various defender groups, but certainly not for Lazarus. I think there are pretty basic ways to not sell out your region and for me personally, my bar is slightly higher than that for a 'stabilizing and respected role'.

Consular wrote:Reading through this thread, I actually almost admire Cormac's relentless commitment to apparently any narrative which could cause problems for other people.

On the contrary, I'm not committed to the defender narrative, which would cause problems for Funkadelia and many other Lazarenes.

I agree with Rach in regard to Harmoneia. She has been extremely inactive for some time and there are legitimate reasons to remove her from office.

Cormactopia Prime wrote:

Consular wrote:Reading through this thread, I actually almost admire Cormac's relentless commitment to apparently any narrative which could cause problems for other people.

On the contrary, I'm not committed to the defender narrative, which would cause problems for Funkadelia and many other Lazarenes.

I agree with Rach in regard to Harmoneia. She has been extremely inactive for some time and there are legitimate reasons to remove her from office.

I, on the other hand do not. Aside from the PRL (which I have no comment), I absolutely disagree with Solorni.

Solorni wrote:

A reconfirmation vote was held for Harmoneia, one of Lazarus' oldest natives, to keep her position as Guardian. Very narrowly, the reconfirmation passed

There could be other reasons for this. Harmoneia only has 0.8 posts per day on the Lazarus forums and her only notable achievement in Lazarus in the past 7 or so years was resigning as Delegate by accident.

As to my thoughts on raiders and defenders fighting over Lazarus, I think it is disappointing when a region isn't something to build but instead becomes something to fight over. Many in Lazarus can't really complain because this is how people have treated Lazarus for a long time now. When the longest serving members of Lazarus have not treated the region as a home and instead have sold it out every chance they get, then this is what happens. I do think people like Kazmr and Altmoras (wish he could have stayed longer) had good intentions and set good standards in the region, but there are a lot of other defender Lazarenes... many of the so called 'oldest natives' who have set the bar extremely low and who really can't complain.

I am not surprised, I and several others there, who were in office last time I was serious there, were all refugees dumped from other places.

People with feuds, baggage, ambition, enemies, allies, R&D experience.

I guess it's not a good thing to fill a region with.

Cormactopia Prime wrote:I agree with Rach in regard to Harmoneia. She has been extremely inactive for some time and there are legitimate reasons to remove her from office.

Not all of us can spend their entire life on NS Harmie is relatively active in the region and the discord, more than EW has been over the last few years.