Lily - hi again :O

[Treciene]

Lily more like silly

[Imperial Dodo]

Lily more like silly

r00d

[Treciene]

Lily more like silly

r00d

100% of founders who’s regions are raided by lily get mad
Stop lily
Save the world

[Boda]

r00d

100% of founders who’s regions are raided by lily get mad
Stop lily
Save the world

Tgwlily gang too stronk p nerf @admin

[Treciene]

100% of founders who’s regions are raided by lily get mad
Stop lily
Save the world

Tgwlily gang too stronk p nerf @admin

Wut

[Reploid Productions]

I don't know Francos Spain

... I... wha.... those are words I would never have thought I would ever hear in Gameplay, like, ever.

[Honeydewistania]

I don't know Francos Spain

... I... wha.... those are words I would never have thought I would ever hear in Gameplay, like, ever.

I think Frenchy meant he doesn't know Francos Spain like personally, or talked to him, not that he doesn't recognise the name.

[Frenchy II]

I don't know Francos Spain

... I... wha.... those are words I would never have thought I would ever hear in Gameplay, like, ever.

I generally avoid GCR politics and I showed up in GP in late-2016/early-2017 lol. I've heard the name but never paid any mind to it.

[Devi]

i'm
not even sure frenchy was *alive* when francos spain initially couped. which is a weird thought to consider

[Reploid Productions]

i'm
not even sure frenchy was *alive* when francos spain initially couped. which is a weird thought to consider

Stop that! Stop making me feel old and reminding me there are NSers that didn't even EXIST when I started playing! LA LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!

[Frenchy II]

i'm
not even sure frenchy was *alive* when francos spain initially couped. which is a weird thought to consider

Stop that! Stop making me feel old and reminding me there are NSers that didn't even EXIST when I started playing! LA LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!

My bad, my bad. I'll go back to my normal repertoire of tagging and shitposting in my own little universe lol

[Tim-Opolis]

I’ll take “Goober has been gone for a while and clearly hasn’t read up on TGW much” for $500

Our operation parameters are publicly stated, and this falls under them quite clearly. I really don’t appreciate these half-baked takes claiming we were manipulated into this as some sort of pro-LILY propaganda ploy, especially not from long-retired players blatantly lacking context and knowledge about our organization.

I’ll also say that Jo’s entire rant about TITO is similarly pretty ignorant of TITO as an organization, considering that they are the defender region which was for a long time credited as the one that would go the extra distance and take the fight to invaders and invader-sympathizing regions. The relationship on and off the battlefield between TITO and TGW is stronger than ever, and disingenuous pearl-clutching from the peanut gallery isn’t gonna affect that. Maybe LWU wouldn’t get shut out by Libcord + TITO constantly if they put as much effort into their operations as they do into their GP posts.

[A Bloodred Moon]

I’ll also say that Jo’s entire rant about TITO is similarly pretty ignorant of TITO as an organization, considering that they are the defender region which was for a long time credited as the one that would go the extra distance and take the fight to invaders and invader-sympathizing regions.

What regions did NationStates raid? How many WA’s have they ever deployed on a raid and how many raids have they supported?

[RiderSyl]

I’ll also say that Jo’s entire rant about TITO is similarly pretty ignorant of TITO as an organization, considering that they are the defender region which was for a long time credited as the one that would go the extra distance and take the fight to invaders and invader-sympathizing regions.

What regions did NationStates raid? How many WA’s have they ever deployed on a raid and how many raids have they supported?

think ya missed this..

and invader-sympathizing regions.

[Varanius]

What regions did NationStates raid? How many WA’s have they ever deployed on a raid and how many raids have they supported?

think ya missed this..

and invader-sympathizing regions.

Yes, their evil and nefarious raider sympathizing actions of...writing dispatches? Quite the king of the raiders there.

[HumanSanity]

I simply cannot wait for TITO to contradict their "values" they pursue so zealously in order to justify continued cooperation with TGW.

Mikeswill's statement on the SC clearly explains that regions have no intrinsic right to sovereignty, which is our entire agenda. If you serve as a propaganda mouthpiece for raiders for years on the message that regional sovereignty is fake as the WA policy centerpiece of your region, you forfeit your right to protection. It's not just that they disagree with us about something -- NationStates disagrees with us about our fundamental purpose and agenda. It isn't "defenders pushing their message at gunboat", it's "if you've held the torch for 17 years on 'defenders are full of garbage and sovereignty is a myth' then we're fine if our friends target you".

As to cooperating with TGW or TEP, we cooperate in areas of mutual interest while pursuing our agenda. Our relationship with both TGW and TEP are at their strongest in a long time and scare quotes from the raider peanut gallery don't change it.

[Varanius]

I simply cannot wait for TITO to contradict their "values" they pursue so zealously in order to justify continued cooperation with TGW.

Mikeswill's statement on the SC clearly explains that regions have no intrinsic right to sovereignty, which is our entire agenda. If you serve as a propaganda mouthpiece for raiders for years on the message that regional sovereignty is fake as the WA policy centerpiece of your region, you forfeit your right to protection. It's not just that they disagree with us about something -- NationStates disagrees with us about our fundamental purpose and agenda. It isn't "defenders pushing their message at gunboat", it's "if you've held the torch for 17 years on 'defenders are full of garbage and sovereignty is a myth' then we're fine if our friends target you".

Deciding your values don’t apply to people who don’t share them. Quite the moral fiber

[Numero Capitan]

Mikeswill's statement on the SC clearly explains that regions have no intrinsic right to sovereignty, which is our entire agenda. If you serve as a propaganda mouthpiece for raiders for years on the message that regional sovereignty is fake as the WA policy centerpiece of your region, you forfeit your right to protection. It's not just that they disagree with us about something -- NationStates disagrees with us about our fundamental purpose and agenda. It isn't "defenders pushing their message at gunboat", it's "if you've held the torch for 17 years on 'defenders are full of garbage and sovereignty is a myth' then we're fine if our friends target you".

Deciding your values don’t apply to people who don’t share them. Quite the moral fiber

Their values are defending innocent regions and defeating those that wish to impose their will on innocent regions - it's in their mission statement. They have never had a 'defend everything' policy (some defender groups have in the past, none do now) and have never had a 'no raiding' policy. TITO was formed after a raid by Empire of Power and part of their goal was always to raid and destroy them, which they did.

The people involved in the raid participated for different reasons, some just wanted to take part in the most memorable operation of 2020, others had a vested interest in knocking Mikeswill off their perch, but the only target of the raid was Mikeswill (another native was installed as delegate) - an individual who has never tried to be an innocent party in r/d.

Raiders have treated Mikeswill's delegacy as sacrosanct for petty reasons for many years. It is no surprise that they are desperately looking for new ways to be petty about this now.

[RiderSyl]

Mikeswill's statement on the SC clearly explains that regions have no intrinsic right to sovereignty, which is our entire agenda. If you serve as a propaganda mouthpiece for raiders for years on the message that regional sovereignty is fake as the WA policy centerpiece of your region, you forfeit your right to protection. It's not just that they disagree with us about something -- NationStates disagrees with us about our fundamental purpose and agenda. It isn't "defenders pushing their message at gunboat", it's "if you've held the torch for 17 years on 'defenders are full of garbage and sovereignty is a myth' then we're fine if our friends target you".

Deciding your values don’t apply to people who don’t share them. Quite the moral fiber

All you're doing is commenting on flaws in the application of your own misconceived version of TITO's values, rather than commenting on flaws in the application of TITO's actual values. The reality is that TITO's values are aligned with them being extremely anti-invader, rather than being against any aggression in NationStates. That's why knocking off Mikeswill's delegacy for 12 hours is not a deal breaker, nor a double standard. Honestly it's not hard to comprehend.

[Starfyre]

Mikeswill is also the founder of Ile de France, an invader region that was actively invading a number of years ago. He's not innocent in any way.

[Jakker]

I think there are several reasons for why this happened and ultimately people will do what they want. It was not a question of if this would happen, but when. NewTexas and Mike are two delegates who not only were able to retain a long consecutive delegacy, but did so in an active way through regular activity and engagement. I have toppled many delegates in my day and I don't think I have ever seen ones as active and working towards their regions as them. So kudos to them and hopefully those that now have the consecutive streaks can work to show their efforts as well.

I am flattered to see the tactic that I popularized used for this.

[Varanius]

Deciding your values don’t apply to people who don’t share them. Quite the moral fiber

Their values are defending innocent regions and defeating those that wish to impose their will on innocent regions - it's in their mission statement. They have never had a 'defend everything' policy (some defender groups have in the past, none do now) and have never had a 'no raiding' policy. TITO was formed after a raid by Empire of Power and part of their goal was always to raid and destroy them, which they did.

The people involved in the raid participated for different reasons, some just wanted to take part in the most memorable operation of 2020, others had a vested interest in knocking Mikeswill off their perch, but the only target of the raid was Mikeswill (another native was installed as delegate) - an individual who has never tried to be an innocent party in r/d.

Raiders have treated Mikeswill's delegacy as sacrosanct for petty reasons for many years. It is no surprise that they are desperately looking for new ways to be petty about this now.

And NationStates the region has been involved in numerous raider activities such as...writing dispatches? We’re hardly talking about the Black Hawks here.

[Makdon]

And NationStates the region has been involved in numerous raider activities such as...writing dispatches? We’re hardly talking about the Black Hawks here.

You can continue to be obstinate and misinterpret XKI's values for as long as you like, it doesn't make your point look any better. But you do you I guess.

[RiderSyl]

Their values are defending innocent regions and defeating those that wish to impose their will on innocent regions - it's in their mission statement. They have never had a 'defend everything' policy (some defender groups have in the past, none do now) and have never had a 'no raiding' policy. TITO was formed after a raid by Empire of Power and part of their goal was always to raid and destroy them, which they did.

The people involved in the raid participated for different reasons, some just wanted to take part in the most memorable operation of 2020, others had a vested interest in knocking Mikeswill off their perch, but the only target of the raid was Mikeswill (another native was installed as delegate) - an individual who has never tried to be an innocent party in r/d.

Raiders have treated Mikeswill's delegacy as sacrosanct for petty reasons for many years. It is no surprise that they are desperately looking for new ways to be petty about this now.

And NationStates the region has been involved in numerous raider activities such as...writing dispatches? We’re hardly talking about the Black Hawks here.

Tell me, what was done to the region? Answer carefully, because you may redefine an entire subset of raiding.

[Lord Dominator]

And NationStates the region has been involved in numerous raider activities such as...writing dispatches? We’re hardly talking about the Black Hawks here.

Tell me, what was done to the region? Answer carefully, because you may redefine an entire subset of raiding.

And still, bumping off delegacies is damaging. It resets welcome TGs and any WA approvals and/or votes. Especially the former can hurt because it's not something that people intuitively think of. So yes, it can be both petty and damaging, and there is no real opt-out.