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Hello Guys

That was a brilliant post, loved every bits of it! :'D

Good morning, gameplay! Guess what, I'm still the Order of the Grey Wardens' official ambassador to the NationStates gameplay forum. Maybe I do have great PR acumen and finely tuned sensibilities and just never realized it, because I can't imagine any other reason why Command would let me do this for so long. Actually no, that's utter bullshit, lol. I don't know what the hell Command is thinking, but hey, I'm enjoying it while I can!

Today, I present to you





Maybe I have to apologize to the Black Hawks. You know, all this time I was railing on them for only using the first few minute updates for training runs, but what I never realized is that they're actually using a continual improvement process called Kaizen (改善), a system invented by Toyota in the 1980s that eschews big structural changes in favor of small incremental improvements based on direct feedback from previous improvements. It's a methodology that has found its way into many companies small and large for optimizing business processes. One such small step of improvement could be found on the tagfields today, with the Black Hawks tagging for a total of 14 minutes rather than the previous 11 minutes.

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Still reading? Good, because what I wrote above is complete bullshit. Maybe we can hypothesize another reason, though. I present to you:





Today, the Black Hawks got 5 hits in total, of which 3 were while defenders were doing others things, defenders got 5 wins, and they got 3 misses. So in total, they had a 38% hit rate but defenders had a 50% win rate despite 60% of their hits being while defenders were doing other things. So maybe they just stop when defenders are out and about because they don't want to give defenders the win.

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Still reading? Good, because that too is absolute bullshit. In fact, the Hawks told us why they do it! I present to you:





The Black Hawks say they only do 10-15 minute training runs because they don't want to overwhelm the noobs. However, that argument is (and you may detect a theme here) total bullshit. The two updates in total span for about 1.75 hours of the 24 hours that a day has. Training the mechanics of switching, endorsing, and moving on a trigger can be done in any of those other 22.25 hours of the day. Same with setting triggers and even to a certain extent calling triggers. Why do I know this? Because I've done it! I've trained dozens of people in the past 3.5 years of this madness of a game, always training the meat of the topic off-update and then practicing what we trained during the length of update. As the saying goes, practice makes perfect, and if only about 7.3% of a day is time during which actual updating can be trained, then why in [violet]'s name would you not use that time? And why does the region that bills itself as "the most feared military" (lol), after existing for well over a decade, a region that actually has dedicated positions for people that train others, not realize this? This is not rocket science. Really.

I was going to praise TBH for at least doing something today, but then I found out that LWU's Wolfmensch Armaros actually led the op. So, nevermind. Well done again, jo, best of luck in your further efforts to play equine necromancer.

Nïce Pøst

I was going to praise TBH for at least doing something today, but then I found out that LWU's Wolfmensch Armaros actually led the op. So, nevermind. Well done again, jo, best of luck in your further efforts to play equine necromancer.

He's ours too

I see the assumption that we raid based on a chosen length if time continues.

Lord Dominator wrote:I see the assumption that we raid based on a chosen length if time continues.

Raiding based on a set number of puppets is basically the same thing.

Haku wrote:

Lord Dominator wrote:I see the assumption that we raid based on a chosen length if time continues.

Raiding based on a set number of puppets is basically the same thing.

Not quite, particularly when the running assumption in your reports is that we stop for external reasons, rather than the pre-determined internal reasons.

Edit: Or that we have goals of raiding for all of update for that matter.

Lord Dominator wrote:Not quite, particularly when the running assumption in your reports is that we stop for external reasons, rather than the pre-determined internal reasons.

Edit: Or that we have goals of raiding for all of update for that matter.

Ooo burn

Lord Dominator wrote:

Haku wrote:Raiding based on a set number of puppets is basically the same thing.

Not quite, particularly when the running assumption in your reports is that we stop for external reasons, rather than the pre-determined internal reasons.

Edit: Or that we have goals of raiding for all of update for that matter.

Nice non-sequitur. All of that is utterly irrelevant to my point, which is that there really is no reason why by default you wouldn't want to plan out runs for the whole update.

Warden Roavin wrote:

Lord Dominator wrote:Not quite, particularly when the running assumption in your reports is that we stop for external reasons, rather than the pre-determined internal reasons.

Edit: Or that we have goals of raiding for all of update for that matter.

Nice non-sequitur. All of that is utterly irrelevant to my point, which is that there really is no reason why by default you wouldn't want to plan out runs for the whole update.

What reason is there to plan such by default? I can think of several broad reasons why not, and I imagine individual triggers have individual reasons to plan short.

Lord Dominator wrote:

Haku wrote:Raiding based on a set number of puppets is basically the same thing.

Not quite, particularly when the running assumption in your reports is that we stop for external reasons, rather than the pre-determined internal reasons.

Edit: Or that we have goals of raiding for all of update for that matter.

If you raid with the plan of only using 20 puppets, it can be concluded that you only feel like using 20 minutes of update, and thus, lack stamina, which makes what the reports say true.

Haku wrote:

Lord Dominator wrote:Not quite, particularly when the running assumption in your reports is that we stop for external reasons, rather than the pre-determined internal reasons.

Edit: Or that we have goals of raiding for all of update for that matter.

If you raid with the plan of only using 20 puppets, it can be concluded that you only feel like using 20 minutes of update, and thus, lack stamina, which makes what the reports say true.

Choosing to not raid to full update capacity most of the time does not indicate that we lack the ability to do so.

Again, not the point. The point is why wouldn't you by default choose the full length? If the point is training and/or practice, well ... see the report for reasons why you'd want to go the full length.

Lord Dominator wrote:

Haku wrote:If you raid with the plan of only using 20 puppets, it can be concluded that you only feel like using 20 minutes of update, and thus, lack stamina, which makes what the reports say true.

Choosing to not raid to full update capacity most of the time does not indicate that we lack the ability to do so.

Right, you are physically capable of doing so. I don't think the recent report (or others) have denied this. What we have mentioned is that you lack stamina (ie the drive or motivation to actually raid for the whole update, using the aforementioned physical ability), which is quite unfortunate for the group that claims to be the "most feared military organization".

Warden Roavin wrote:Again, not the point. The point is why wouldn't you by default choose the full length? If the point is training and/or practice, well ... see the report for reasons why you'd want to go the full length.

I don't see any reasons why we'd wish to default to full length for training (perhaps you misunderstand what our training is about?) or for everything else.

Haku wrote:

Lord Dominator wrote: Choosing to not raid to full update capacity most of the time does not indicate that we lack the ability to do so.

Right, you are physically capable of doing so. I don't think the recent report (or others) have denied this. What we have mentioned is that you lack stamina (ie the drive or motivation to actually raid for the whole update, using the aforementioned physical ability), which is quite unfortunate for the group that claims to be the "most feared military organization".

K then, though I have yet to see a definition of such that includes drive/motivation as a factor

Lord Dominator wrote:

Haku wrote:Right, you are physically capable of doing so. I don't think the recent report (or others) have denied this. What we have mentioned is that you lack stamina (ie the drive or motivation to actually raid for the whole update, using the aforementioned physical ability), which is quite unfortunate for the group that claims to be the "most feared military organization".

K then, though I have yet to see a definition of such that includes drive/motivation as a factor

I mean, sure, if you want to argue about the definition of the word "stamina", we can just make it explicitly clear and say that it's quite unfortunate (for you/TBH) that The Black Hawks, or "the most feared military organization", have no desire, drive, or interest to raid in a way or duration of update that is efficient or demonstrates skill/lack of laziness/interest.

Haku wrote:

Lord Dominator wrote:
K then, though I have yet to see a definition of such that includes drive/motivation as a factor

I mean, sure, if you want to argue about the definition of the word "stamina", we can just make it explicitly clear and say that it's quite unfortunate (for you/TBH) that The Black Hawks, or "the most feared military organization", have no desire, drive, or interest to raid in a way or duration of update that is efficient or demonstrates skill/lack of laziness/interest.

That's better

Edit: While I will consider to disagree with your the apparent defender definition of an efficient use of update, the proper answer to your question would be lack of interest in running for a complete hour

Warden Roavin wrote:Step by step, ooh baby, gonna get to you girl

Fuuuck that takes me back to grade school. Goddamnit Roavin, stop making me feel old!

Warden Roavin wrote:Again, not the point. The point is why wouldn't you by default choose the full length? If the point is training and/or practice, well ... see the report for reasons why you'd want to go the full length.

The initiative is in the raider's hands here, so it's cheap pickings for you to criticise them for shorter runs.
If they actually did do long runs routinely I doubt you'd be ecstatic about it-continually having to prep shitloads of puppets just isn't worth it.

Reploid Productions wrote:

Warden Roavin wrote:Step by step, ooh baby, gonna get to you girl

Fuuuck that takes me back to grade school. Goddamnit Roavin, stop making me feel old!

Hey you started it! Meanwhile Australia's like wtf mate^^

Custadia wrote:

Warden Roavin wrote:Again, not the point. The point is why wouldn't you by default choose the full length? If the point is training and/or practice, well ... see the report for reasons why you'd want to go the full length.

The initiative is in the raider's hands here, so it's cheap pickings for you to criticise them for shorter runs.
If they actually did do long runs routinely I doubt you'd be ecstatic about it-continually having to prep shitloads of puppets just isn't worth it.

Prepping 60 puppets takes like 2-3 minutes, less even if you live in North America. And .... yeah, we'd be ecstatic about it. Lots of chases, lots of things to do, lots of wins.

Custadia wrote:

Warden Roavin wrote:Again, not the point. The point is why wouldn't you by default choose the full length? If the point is training and/or practice, well ... see the report for reasons why you'd want to go the full length.

The initiative is in the raider's hands here, so it's cheap pickings for you to criticise them for shorter runs.
If they actually did do long runs routinely I doubt you'd be ecstatic about it-continually having to prep shitloads of puppets just isn't worth it.

Prepping puppets is hardly an issue, I'm usually good for a whole week if I take the five minutes to slow roll through my switcher sheet. I'm up to what, 60 gym leaders and a host of elite four members? Most seasoned Wardens have more than me just for chasing Lily. In fact, I'd say we'd be happier if we had to prep that much, it'd mean there was something worth doing!

I have not taken the time to pay attention to R/D in a long time.
This conversation makes me a bit sad.
Forgive my ignorance, but did mechanics truly gut this part of the game or is it just lack of interest?

I would be interested in entering the field to be trained on either side. A little first hand knowledge couldn't hurt.

Darkesia wrote:I have not taken the time to pay attention to R/D in a long time.
This conversation makes me a bit sad.
Forgive my ignorance, but did mechanics truly gut this part of the game or is it just lack of interest?

I would be interested in entering the field to be trained on either side. A little first hand knowledge couldn't hurt.

I am unsure what you are referring to exactly. Could you clarify?

I have nothing to say in regards to the actual conversation, except that we don't raid for defenders' entertainment, or anyone's but ours, for that matter. If we feel like only raiding 20 regions instead of 60, we will do so.

Congratulations on the 5 wins. Fair is fair, I was slow with tightening my triggers.

Armaros wrote:

Darkesia wrote:
I would be interested in entering the field to be trained on either side. A little first hand knowledge couldn't hurt.

I am unsure what you are referring to exactly. Could you clarify? ...

Clarification: I would like to learn to either raid or defend. I need to be treated like a freshly minted player with zero knowledge, because I have zero knowledge of modern R/D. Please?