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Miporin wrote:

Roavin wrote:
And the Homura (or whatever it is) obsession is PERFECTLY NORMAL, of course.

Daddy Roavin does not approve.

The Homura stuff also doesn't infantilise other groups, but sure. The two are completely analogous.

Pretty much. I wouldn’t call Kyrie “normal,” but comparing the two is a bit of a stretch.

Hot take: The reason why the daddy report format is so attractive, is because it make TBH cringe at it.

dont worry daddy(s?) we'll never disappoint you <3

Kurnugia wrote:Hot take: The reason why the daddy report format is so attractive, is because it make TBH cringe at it.

Cringe culture? What’s next, calling us normies and chads/Stacies, then going on about how mommy won’t bring you more tendies?

Let’s keep this NSGP, and not /b.

Are you people actually arguing about raid/defense report themes?

Congratulations to the Grey Wardens on your successful defenses.

Cormactopia Prime wrote:Are you people actually arguing about raid/defense report themes?

Yes

Iirc, there was a lot of taggers out (was that all of you? ), some fendas were on, stuff happened. At the end of update we felt pretty good about the way things turned out. I'm sure y'all did too. Why we're heckling each other's report is beyond me. I'd say take it all with a grain of salt, but..

GG Fendas, GG Hawks.

Blight-Bane wrote:Iirc, there was a lot of taggers out (was that all of you? ), some fendas were on, stuff happened. At the end of update we felt pretty good about the way things turned out. I'm sure y'all did too. Why we're heckling each other's report is beyond me. I'd say take it all with a grain of salt, but..

GG Fendas, GG Hawks.

I think various Hawks have made it more than clear over the past two years that this, especially at this frequency and degree of repetition, makes some of our folks a little uncomfortable and a lot weirded out. I and others have asked with varying degrees of nicety that it kindly go die in a fire. Not caring, okay, i can get, but I’m not quite sure how that’s beyond you as a concept.

Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:

Blight-Bane wrote:Iirc, there was a lot of taggers out (was that all of you? ), some fendas were on, stuff happened. At the end of update we felt pretty good about the way things turned out. I'm sure y'all did too. Why we're heckling each other's report is beyond me. I'd say take it all with a grain of salt, but..

GG Fendas, GG Hawks.

I think various Hawks have made it more than clear over the past two years that this, especially at this frequency and degree of repetition, makes some of our folks a little uncomfortable and a lot weirded out. I and others have asked with varying degrees of nicety that it kindly go die in a fire. Not caring, okay, i can get, but I’m not quite sure how that’s beyond you as a concept.

Have you considered the possibility that your reaction is why they do it?

They're not here to be sensitive to your preferences, and you're frankly making a mountain out of a mole hill. It looks petty.

Cormactopia Prime wrote:

Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:
I think various Hawks have made it more than clear over the past two years that this, especially at this frequency and degree of repetition, makes some of our folks a little uncomfortable and a lot weirded out. I and others have asked with varying degrees of nicety that it kindly go die in a fire. Not caring, okay, i can get, but I’m not quite sure how that’s beyond you as a concept.

Have you considered the possibility that your reaction is why they do it?

They're not here to be sensitive to your preferences, and you're frankly making a mountain out of a mole hill. It looks petty.

Call it what you want, it’s fucking weird and I’d very much rather that our gameplay, even down to the damn smack talk, be about gameplay, and not some weird ass infantilization/ageplay shit. You can’t *engage* in this crap. There’s no *discourse*. There’s just a weird obsession, that’s left me fucking tired of trying to turn around and explain why our biggest opponent is doing this, and that no, you shouldn’t be weirded out of Gameplay because of it.

Some folks here need to grow the fuck up and leave the 4th grade schoolyard, where this is apparently the height of taunting.

I agree with EWS, and the vulgarity behind TGW's post is phenomenally inappropriate and to some extend NSFW as well. On the other side, I would like to emphasize on the positive perspective we can look at this. This is the kind of love and hate relationship that will always exist in NS even when we depart from the platform. I would strongly recommend keeping this, in the friendly competitive side instead of some weird looking fucked up posts like this.

*sits back with popcorn to see how this plays out*

Roavin wrote:

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Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:...you do realize that that's about the objectively worst way to get someone to stop doing something likely intended to annoy/confuse you and waste your time? Telling them it annoyed you, confused you, and wasted your time?

Lmao, what kind of petty do you have to be to not only double down on the daddy shit, but also dig up a quote well over a year and a half old?
Are we going to crack down on anyone who says anything remotely contradictory, regardless of context or timeframe? 'cause that sounds like a neat idea.

All that notwithstanding, Souls is neither the only one uncomfortable over this stuff, nor the only one who's spoken out about it.

What would be annoying, and also normal, would be something like, say, co-opting the well-established “hatchlings” label we use for our little trainee Hawks, and going on about the little birdies making a mess, shitting everywhere, whatever. That would be annoying, and absolutely fair play, quite relevant, all that jazz. Same result, more sensical. This? This, and it’s connotations, make people uncomfortable. That’s the difference. I’m not sure if you legitimately don’t see that, or do and are fine with it.

Thanks for letting me know that we can make raid reports based around our kinks and stuff... Waiting for the kink-related raider groups to show up.

So a raid report that has devolved into elementary school memes. How original.

Miporin wrote:Lmao, what kind of petty do you have to be to not only double down on the daddy shit,

petty:
1 Of little importance; trivial.
1.1 Unduly concerned with trivial matters, especially in a small-minded or spiteful way.
2 Of secondary or lesser importance, rank, or scale; minor.

Are you sure that's the correct adjective?

Miporin wrote:but also dig up a quote well over a year and a half old?

That quote is solid advice. 2019 Souls would do well to heed 2017 Souls' advice.

Miporin wrote:Are we going to crack down on anyone who says anything remotely contradictory, regardless of context or timeframe? 'cause that sounds like a neat idea.

As if that was never done before in the history of NS.

Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:What would be annoying, and also normal, would be something like, say, co-opting the well-established “hatchlings” label we use for our little trainee Hawks, and going on about the little birdies making a mess, shitting everywhere, whatever. That would be annoying, and absolutely fair play, quite relevant, all that jazz. Same result, more sensical.

That's actually legitimately a neat idea, but I doubt that it would have the "same result", given that then it'd be sanctioned by yourself and, presumably, not have you up in arms about it like this does. But if you'd like, I can put in a word with the Wardens to see if they'd be interested in using your pre-approved GP report rhetoric going forward. I'm sure they'll be receptive to it.

Miporin wrote:All that notwithstanding, Souls is neither the only one uncomfortable over this stuff, nor the only one who's spoken out about it.

Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:This? This, and it’s connotations, make people uncomfortable. That’s the difference. I’m not sure if you legitimately don’t see that, or do and are fine with it.

Oh, so it took 2-3 years for you to choose to be uncomfortable about it. Sorry, I wasn't informed of that change in policy.

Ever-Wandering Souls wrote:some weird ass infantilization/ageplay shit

Scottiesland wrote:Thanks for letting me know that we can make raid reports based around our kinks and stuff... Waiting for the kink-related raider groups to show up.

Latrovia wrote:I agree with EWS, and the vulgarity behind TGW's post is phenomenally inappropriate and to some extend NSFW as well.

NSFW? Kink? Really?

Get your minds out of the gutter, people. Not everything is always innuendo. My RL daughter calls me "Daddy" when we're speaking english, do I have to call CPS on myself now? ffs

This is granddaddy here. You darn kids, behave!

Let me just copy what I said in the NSGP server as an addendum to what I said yesterday, because I think I was being somewhat unfair to TBH's concerns:

Cormac Today at 5:48 PM
I agree it's an absurd argument, primarily because it pales in comparison to the truly nasty shit that goes on in gameplay, and I think people in TBH are ill served by their superiors acting like this is a big deal. If they think this makes them uncomfortable they're unprepared for the worse shit they're likely to face.
But just to be clear, TGW's "daddy" thing is bizarre and juvenile, and they should probably cut it out.

Cormac Today at 5:50 PM
I've had some conversations and I really don't think it's manufactured drama, it's genuinely making some people uncomfortable. I think they need to grow a thicker skin if they're going to participate in gameplay, but I also think TGW should stop doing something that is clearly making people uncomfortable at an OOC level.

Cormac Today at 5:53 PM
I wouldn't go so far as to call it "toxic" in the actionable sense, but really, just stop.

Scottiesland wrote:Thanks for letting me know that we can make raid reports based around our kinks and stuff... Waiting for the kink-related raider groups to show up.

*stares at Femdom*

Cormactopia Prime wrote:Let me just copy what I said in the NSGP server as an addendum to what I said yesterday, because I think I was being somewhat unfair to TBH's concerns:

Cormac Today at 5:48 PM
I agree it's an absurd argument, primarily because it pales in comparison to the truly nasty shit that goes on in gameplay, and I think people in TBH are ill served by their superiors acting like this is a big deal. If they think this makes them uncomfortable they're unprepared for the worse shit they're likely to face.
But just to be clear, TGW's "daddy" thing is bizarre and juvenile, and they should probably cut it out.

Cormac Today at 5:50 PM
I've had some conversations and I really don't think it's manufactured drama, it's genuinely making some people uncomfortable. I think they need to grow a thicker skin if they're going to participate in gameplay, but I also think TGW should stop doing something that is clearly making people uncomfortable at an OOC level.

Cormac Today at 5:53 PM
I wouldn't go so far as to call it "toxic" in the actionable sense, but really, just stop.

Essentially, this.

Even if its not being intended in such a manner, the "daddy" joke carries certain sexual connotations, particularly of the sexual harassment flavoring and especially for female players who have quite likely had to deal with some flavor of it IRL where it is anything but harmless or funny. It really does need to stop, I know you guys are plenty creative enough that you can find ways to throw shade at your gameplay rivals that doesn't leave participants and bystanders feeling uncomfortable in that sort of "creeper being creepy" sort of way.

The fact that the response to basically "Guys, seriously, this isn't funny anymore and it's really kinda creepy/uncomfortable, please stop." seems to have been so far "Lawl, deal with it." is seriously disappointing.


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well ofc your daughter would call you daddy. But when a grown ass male is talking to someone a lot younger than themselves and referring to themself as the stranger's "daddy" - yeah that seems perfectly normal and not sexual in any way. Just like when a prostitute calls her clientele that same name, it's weird and sexualized to tell another person that when neither one of them are the parent. But like Reppy said, let's just cut the daddy joke out and get back to R/D/L

Roavin wrote:

Latrovia wrote:I agree with EWS, and the vulgarity behind TGW's post is phenomenally inappropriate and to some extend NSFW as well.

NSFW? Kink? Really?

Get your minds out of the gutter, people. Not everything is always innuendo. My RL daughter calls me "Daddy" when we're speaking english, do I have to call CPS on myself now? ffs

My dude you gotta work on that. It's so totally different when your sweet little girl calls you "daddy" and its totally creepy and inappropriate when you call yourself someone else's daddy online. Even if I want to shrug it off, I still can't see it any other way around except the NSFW intention was put up behind this comment.

United Republic Empire wrote:But when a grown ass male is talking to someone a lot younger than themselves and referring to themself as the stranger's "daddy" - yeah that seems perfectly normal and not sexual in any way.

Latrovia wrote:its totally creepy and inappropriate when you call yourself someone else's daddy online

Maybe (and I don't mean this condescendingly) it's an age thing. I'm 32, and in my recollection, "Daddy" didn't get that connotation until later in my life, so when I see it, I don't immediately think of that.

Latrovia wrote: I still can't see it any other way around except the NSFW intention was put up behind this comment.

And again, no NSFW intent, as much as you want to interpret that into it. I was around when the entire "Daddy" thing started, and that predated even the first GP report about it. It was always about being the "concerned parent", never about some sort of kink shit. You don't have to believe me — ask any high-level defender leadership from the past three years that you trust, and they can confirm this.

Reploid Productions wrote:The fact that the response to basically "Guys, seriously, this isn't funny anymore and it's really kinda creepy/uncomfortable, please stop." seems to have been so far "Lawl, deal with it." is seriously disappointing.

Sure, but consider the individual that was taking point on this issue, who is and has been a serial bad faith actor towards TGW and surroundings since at least early 2017. The way this was brought up is just another example of the same - if there is an actual OOC-level issue concerning a region in good standing (and TGW is such a region), the first place to bring it up would be in a more discreet capacity (DM with leadership), rather than immediately plastering it over GP. The reason that this has not been done is because of a lie by that same individual that TGW does not respond in good faith to such outreach, and because of complicit silence by other high-ranking TBH members that know better. While I'm not in TGW leadership anymore, I'm quite certain that such contact would still be taken as seriously as it was when I was there.