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[Tim-Opolis]

I'm actually kinda disappointed that you only defended about half of the targets. I mean you did have twice as many people jumping than we did during update. Then also the fact of using NS Breeze ++ to get very fast 1-2 second chases should be able to defend almost all of them especially with variance causing triggers to need to be looser for when update speeds up.

Do you actually do research before you gripe? You had a decent number of 1-2 second unbeatable triggers, aren't factoring the fact that defenders can tend to be as limited by their internet provider as they are by jumping capability, and that it's much more difficult to react to a jump than it is to be a good little footsoldier and just follow orders. I'm actually kinda disappointed that you folks only hit so few while playing on easy mode, but I guess neither of us can be happy eh?

If you insist, though, we'll try harder

[Solorni]

Do raiders have better internet?

[Moneyness]

I'm actually kinda disappointed that you only defended about half of the targets. I mean you did have twice as many people jumping than we did during update. Then also the fact of using NS Breeze ++ to get very fast 1-2 second chases should be able to defend almost all of them especially with variance causing triggers to need to be looser for when update speeds up.

Do you actually do research before you gripe? You had a decent number of 1-2 second unbeatable triggers, aren't factoring the fact that defenders can tend to be as limited by their internet provider as they are by jumping capability, and that it's much more difficult to react to a jump than it is to be a good little footsoldier and just follow orders. I'm actually kinda disappointed that you folks only hit so few while playing on easy mode, but I guess neither of us can be happy eh?

If you insist, though, we'll try harder

Do you ever make a post without trying to insult the person directly instead of attacking the argument? Now to the actual parts of the argument. As for those 1-2 triggers were from adjusting to the variance on the previous target and getting the right amount in how many seconds to wait before saying go hence several missed targets when it was too tight. My internet has also gotten worse but I have adjusted as has most people. As for more if people weren't too busy with rl would have had more people to outnumber the 8. Again 4 people jumping compared to 8 all it takes is 4-5 of the 8 to have good internet on each target assuming no internet problems while triggering which I have had to adjust to recently as well as one person had to leave early to something in rl coming up. But this does seem like it is getting off topic so I'll stop here. One last thing though. Maybe some more practice for those chasing will help them reacting to a jump.

[Moneyness]

Do raiders have better internet?

I used to have great internet but switched where I'm living a month or two ago and don't anymore. So sadly not.

[Benevolent Thomas]

Clearly, you're not so busy that you can cede the final word. Nobody is asking you to come up with excuses. Just roll with the hits and be ready to land your own when you succeed. Nobody even claimed that your side had anything to be embarrassed about until you came in here, throwing shade around.

[The Sygian]

defenders are cheetos >_>

Jokes aside, good run and good report. Interesting transition from the h y p e t r a i n to a BT post.

I am in need of a new tin foil hat though, I think the Rahls stole my last one.

[An Amphibious Equation]

Do you actually do research before you gripe? You had a decent number of 1-2 second unbeatable triggers, aren't factoring the fact that defenders can tend to be as limited by their internet provider as they are by jumping capability, and that it's much more difficult to react to a jump than it is to be a good little footsoldier and just follow orders. I'm actually kinda disappointed that you folks only hit so few while playing on easy mode, but I guess neither of us can be happy eh?

If you insist, though, we'll try harder

Do you ever make a post without trying to insult the person directly instead of attacking the argument?

Please explain to me how there's an insult? Tim shitposts all the time and this does not seem like one.

[Saltmoras]

The more salt is spilled in this thread the more powerful I become.

[The NAtion OF Froggy]

Please explain to me how there's an insult? Tim shitposts all the time and this does not seem like one.

It might be a misunderstanding, I read it and just said tim being tim.

But as you told me earlier today, every one plays a different game.

[Fauxia]

So, TGW does work now? I guess they didn't before... wow.

[Mostly Benevolent Tyranny]

I am in need of a new tin foil hat though, I think the Rahls stole my last one.

*provides a vintage tinfoil hat*

[An Amphibious Equation]

So, TGW does work now? I guess they didn't before... wow.

Yes. Normally they're extremely lazy.

[Land filled with People]

I'm actually kinda disappointed that you only defended about half of the targets.

I mean, this is just a testament to how fucking amazingly quick the Wardens and LibCorders have become. You expect them to defend more than half the tags? Here you are trying your best to block them out from playing full stop, yet you still anticipate losing more than 50% of the time? Holy shit. Props to the F A S T B O I S and F A S T G U R L S (and Tim )

[Westwatch-By-The-Bridge]

Props to the F A S T B O I S and F A S T G U R L S (and Tim )

Talk to me when you beat me in bb

But yeah, we're better than TBH

[Moneyness]

I'm actually kinda disappointed that you only defended about half of the targets.

I mean, this is just a testament to how fucking amazingly quick the Wardens and LibCorders have become. You expect them to defend more than half the tags? Here you are trying your best to block them out from playing full stop, yet you still anticipate losing more than 50% of the time? Holy shit. Props to the F A S T B O I S and F A S T G U R L S (and Tim )

Ummmm anybody can be pretty quick with their NS Breeze ++ so if it was with them doing the stuff completely manual I would be impressed. Also with all defenders working together to chase together compared to just one org tag raiding. I wonder who will have more numbers to win. Plus also update is still not back to how it was before it got changed with variance getting worse in the second half of update. (Note that is where most of the defends were) So with less numbers plus the fact they use tools and scripts to chase compared to complete manual by us with variance being farther off yes I expect at least half to be defended. Personally I wouldn't be that proud or honored if it was a tool that I relied on to get that speed.

[Derpsles]

I mean, this is just a testament to how fucking amazingly quick the Wardens and LibCorders have become. You expect them to defend more than half the tags? Here you are trying your best to block them out from playing full stop, yet you still anticipate losing more than 50% of the time? Holy shit. Props to the F A S T B O I S and F A S T G U R L S (and Tim )

Ummmm anybody can be pretty quick with their NS Breeze ++ so if it was with them doing the stuff completely manual I would be impressed. Also with all defenders working together to chase together compared to just one org tag raiding. I wonder who will have more numbers to win. Plus also update is still not back to how it was before it got changed with variance getting worse in the second half of update. (Note that is where most of the defends were) So with less numbers plus the fact they use tools and scripts to chase compared to complete manual by us with variance being farther off yes I expect at least half to be defended. Personally I wouldn't be that proud or honored if it was a tool that I relied on to get that speed.

Okay, no. Your obsession with using Breeze++ as a justification is wearing thin. To say that 'anyone' could be fast by using breeze is outright false- it speeds people up, but there's still a good amount of reflexive refreshing and clicking involved. The majority of what it does is cut down on unnecessary movement.

[Saltmoras]

My power level is still rising over here, feels good.

Ummmm anybody can be pretty quick with their NS Breeze ++ so if it was with them doing the stuff completely manual I would be impressed.

And how exactly would you know that? Is there some deep well of defending experience you're drawing from here?

Also with all defenders working together to chase together compared to just one org tag raiding. I wonder who will have more numbers to win.

A close reading of the update report reveals that six out of the eight updaters present, or 75% were defenders, and every single one of those six defenders is a member of The Order of the Grey Wardens, with the other two updaters being from nonpartisan militaries. If you have any further complaints about TBH's inferior updater numbers in comparison to TGW I suggest you direct those inward.

Plus also update is still not back to how it was before it got changed with variance getting worse in the second half of update. (Note that is where most of the defends were)

We spent the first fifteen minutes of update shutting out a KGB/TRE team. Obviously the part of update where we were actually chasing you the whole time had more defenses against you.

So with less numbers plus the fact they use tools and scripts to chase compared to complete manual by us with variance being farther off yes I expect at least half to be defended. Personally I wouldn't be that proud or honored if it was a tool that I relied on to get that speed.

How would scripts possibly improve the speed of clicking the single button you have to click my dude?

[Cormactopia Prime]

Breeze isn't magic, Money. You still actually have to be paying attention and have quick reflexes, just as quick as you would without Breeze. The difference is that, without Breeze, all the quick reflexes in the world won't help you. With Breeze, you may have a chance (but still often don't).

This ongoing Breeze controversy is a tempest in a teapot, and I say that as a well known enemy of the Wardens.

[Consular]

Is it really a controversy? Money and Souls are the only people I've seen really complaining about it.

[The Sygian]

Tag triggers are ever improving, and becoming a hell of a lot better since they have to adjust to defender numbers. This doesn't just apply to tag triggers -- but operation triggers as well. I think that Breeze (if legal, I'm not good with code so I can't obviously prove it's legality -- but that's beside the point) is a somewhat reliable tool for defenders to keep up with tag raiders, and without it, I don't even think tagging would be entertaining because there's no competition.

Most defenders probably can't chase without NS Breeze, and that's boring for those of us that tag because no competition. I'm just a competitive person though, and winning all the time would be boring.

Like C said, there are a lot of reflexes involved in Breeze as well. It's nothing automatic, you don't sit back and let the keyboard click itself while you stack up defenses for a beefed up report. If that was possible, I might actually be complaining.

[Roavin]

On the "can't chase without NS Breeze" statement, defenders generally make people chase manually first (even if it's frustrating) so that they know exactly what's going on and what the mechanics are. That sometimes means they'll only update once on a dud trigger or not at all during an update, which can be frustrating, but that also means they not only understand what's going on, but can appreciate it much more when they do use Breeze.

And yeah, the keyboard can't click itself, that would violate site rules (and it would ruin the very competitive fun Syg's talking about)

[The Sygian]

That's good, I'm glad older defender tactics are still being taught. I usually try to teach raid leaders how to make a sheet themselves (or at least the concept of it) and teach them to manually trigger before they use any sheet maker or trigger monitoring tool.

[Vincent Drake]

Can confirm, everyone in TGW and everyone who comes to Libcord is taught manual chasing. They don't get Breeze++ until they are competent at manual chasing and understand what exactly they are doing. A player who tries to use Breeze++ without knowing the fundamentals of defending will be just as ineffective with it as without it. It's not a self-driving car or even an automatic transmission, it's like a paddle shifter. You have to know how to drive it and you're still the one changing gears.

[Plagentine]

Can confirm, everyone in TGW and everyone who comes to Libcord is taught manual chasing. They don't get Breeze++ until they are competent at manual chasing and understand what exactly they are doing. A player who tries to use Breeze++ without knowing the fundamentals of defending will be just as ineffective with it as without it. It's not a self-driving car or even an automatic transmission, it's like a paddle shifter. You have to know how to drive it and you're still the one changing gears.

I went to get a job at Libcord and saw a "Romans need not apply" sign on your door and I just want to say I did not expect this kind of ignorance and bigotry in 17AD. Have my people not suffered enough?

[The Resentine Kingdom]

Can confirm, everyone in TGW and everyone who comes to Libcord is taught manual chasing. They don't get Breeze++ until they are competent at manual chasing and understand what exactly they are doing. A player who tries to use Breeze++ without knowing the fundamentals of defending will be just as ineffective with it as without it. It's not a self-driving car or even an automatic transmission, it's like a paddle shifter. You have to know how to drive it and you're still the one changing gears.

I went to get a job at Libcord and saw a "Romans need not apply" sign on your door and I just want to say I did not expect this kind of ignorance and bigotry in 17AD. Have my people not suffered enough?

Return Gaul to us and this won't be a problem any more.

-Resentine, Barbarian Sub-Chief of Bureaucracy and External Affairs for the Southern Pacific Allied Tribes