The Grey Wardens: Warden-Lieutenant Eshialand

[Witchcraft and Sorcery]

Cormac, did you even follow this campaign at all? Ankh Mauta *WAS* liberated, with like 63 endos on the native, overcoming a massive pile. That is the definition of success. The native not logging in and control flipping back to the raiders later does not take away the successful liberation, it only takes away the liberation having an impact on the final outcome. We did our job, the native didn't do his, that is out of our control.

Re-liberation is what failed miserably. Refusing to recognize the initial liberation, though, is flat-out wrong. The raiders acknowledged it in the WFE and a handful even moved out, before realizing that the native wasn't logging in.

"The initial liberation" didn't last, and the region wasn't liberated. The Black Hawks ended their occupation voluntarily, on their own terms. If you want to try to spin a liberation attempt that ultimately failed into a success, well, okay? But when raiders end up back in the Delegacy and then end their occupation on their own terms, I really don't see much success for defenders in that. You still failed to end the raid.

I think you're missing the point, Cormac. We're not responsible for native incompetence. If not for the native not logging on, we wouldn't be having this conversation. And you know as well as I do that there's no way to force someone to do anything. We did everything we could to end it, and successfully, and we knew going in that the only way the operation was ever going to succeed from the outset was if the native actually logged on. We gave them all the tools they needed. It wasn't up to us to end the raid. It was up to the native, and they botched it.

And honestly? I could care less. You'd think with the amount of raiderhate he was posting on the RMB he'd at least check in more often. It's still a win in my book. Raiders conceded, we had 63 endos on the native, we overtook a 60+ raider pile. That's a win any day of the week.

[Vincent Drake]

You're mixing update operations with campaigns, while ignoring gameplay mechanics. You can say that defenders lost the campaign, sure. You can't say the region wasn't liberated, because it was. Raider delegate out, not-raider delegate put in. Updated, done. That's what a lib is in the context of NS gameplay, that is the only definition of a lib that actually matters. You're the one spinning things, I'm going by the book.

It's totally fair to mock defenders for not re-liberating the region, for not having enough endos to empower a defender lead, or for losing the overall campaign. It's literally false to say that the region was not liberated, though. Go through the logs, it happened, it is GP fact.

[Drop Your Pants]

I haven't been paying close attention because I really couldn't care less about this raid, I was just going off what I heard on Discord.

Whats changed on the last 2 days that made you suddenly care about the raid?

[Mordor Lenlyvit]

Cormac, did you even follow this campaign at all? Ankh Mauta *WAS* liberated, with like 63 endos on the native, overcoming a massive pile. That is the definition of success. The native not logging in and control flipping back to the raiders later does not take away the successful liberation, it only takes away the liberation having an impact on the final outcome. We did our job, the native didn't do his, that is out of our control.

Re-liberation is what failed miserably. Refusing to recognize the initial liberation, though, is flat-out wrong. The raiders acknowledged it in the WFE and a handful even moved out, before realizing that the native wasn't logging in.

"The initial liberation" didn't last, and the region wasn't liberated. The Black Hawks ended their occupation voluntarily, on their own terms. If you want to try to spin a liberation attempt that ultimately failed into a success, well, okay? But when raiders end up back in the Delegacy and then end their occupation on their own terms, I really don't see much success for defenders in that. You still failed to end the raid.

A little salty, eh Cormac? Pay close attention now, ya hear? Overcoming a massive raider pile to put the deposed native delegate back in control is a success. Defenders won the day there, there's no denying it. It isn't the fault of the defenders that the native didn't log in to banject the raiders. Its also not our fault that the raiders still had BC, which prevented us from piling the region to over 120 defender nations. Its also not our fault that in order to keep the region, TBH had to call in every favor they could under the sun, including calling LKE as well as RL favors, if the rumors are true. So, in the words of great comedians, quit your bitching.

[Moneyness]

Its also not our fault that in order to keep the region, TBH had to call in every favor they could under the sun, including calling LKE as well as RL favors, if the rumors are true. So, in the words of great comedians, quit your bitching.

As for calling all favors in most orgs were already involved to the initial raid in some way, shape or form since it was the RaiderCon OP so it was mainly getting more people to pile as the amount of people that you guys brought in to lib it. It should also be noted that those trying to lib it were calling in all of their favors as well including some rumors of pinging random discord servers in the general channel trying to get more people. Like you had the normal nice numbers that normally do as well as TP, The Guard, TRR, and possibly more that I didn't regonize off of the JP that was used or flags. And if I remember correctly you guys called in TP before we started having more people come in than normal. Like using that as an excuse of why you guys didn't keep it really isn't a valid excuse since it would be like saying one group can bring more people in but the other can't.

[Moneyness]

But I will say congrats on the original takeover that lasted 12 hours. You guys did a good job with it. It was well played and does show that R/D is about even right now in numbers since it ended up being taken by one endorsement.

[Benevolent Thomas]

Why are y'all trying to debate with him so hard? The winning strategy is to ignore him and wait until he is on your side again Nobody remembers who got the last word in the prior discussion after we unveil our next shitpost masterpiece.

[Goondog]

This conversation comes up every time there is a large raid.

There's no winning or losing in R/D, why can't we just PARTAYYYYY LIKE GOONZ

-Goondog
Founder, Masterlord General x60 on steroids, Commander in Chief Marshal Captain Backflip Official Title Pending of The Goons™

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

Nitpick - LKE was involved from day one. I'm not sure if any orgs were added during the reclaimation, though I wouldn't be surprise if we collected some new flags then...really, though, it was all just an intensification of the prior "anyone and everyone."

I can say fairly confidently, we lost an org. After beginning to pull out when the region was "lost," I don't believe the Jomsvikings were ordered to return, since their remaining units were gone a few updates later.

Would also like to agree with the fact that mocking us for calling on everyone possible is very much a pot/kettle situation given your own efforts

[Tim-Opolis]

Looks like we're eating Octopi tonight boys

It was an exciting Friday Night, with the Wardens and their pals enjoying themselves and having a good laugh. Lots of Darkspawn were about it seemed, and it would certainly be an exciting chase with incredibly well-trained raider troops attempting impressive occupations for their multitudes of large armies. That's what this would say if this was an era when Raiders could actually pull off non-passworded raids. What we saw instead was far more hilarious, and included some H Y D R A troops which were served onto the plate just a bit raw. Sitting around, beating up on TBH's Tag Team, it was noticed that a bold H Y D R A troop moved into The Monarchist Entente about five minutes before it updated, followed soon after by two TBH troops. The Wardens and Allies hopped in figuring that they may as well entertain this bold team. However, lo and behold, more troops from the raiders moved in just before the region updated in a glorious charge that tried to take it. Sadly for them, they had a small amount of troops, and our boys had fifteen. The best credit must be given, however, to the absolute legend that was said H Y D R A trooper, who moved s u p e r e a r l y

H Y D R A's Ever-Piling Generals were asked for comment, and blamed it on "Inexperienced members from a group who were with us". Given that said member jumped from H Y D R A's jump point, we're pretty sure it was their troop.

Yeah, that's about it

Regions Defended

Menterra II
Nova Tera Potestatis
BC Savannah
Neogehenna
Republic of Pangaea
The Monarchist Entente
United Socialist States of Lore
The Heropean Empire

Wardens Present

Chamberlain Vincent Drake
Commander Tim-Opolis
Lieutenant House of the Cards
Lieutenant Pyrosky
Senior Warden Altmoras
Senior Warden Benevolent Thomas
Senior Warden Lenlyvit
Warden Wolf Havens
Warden Kanglia

Friends Present

SPSF United States of Vietnam
SPSF Escade
UDSAF The Aetherian Isles
UDSAF Denland
JTF MomoCarlile
JTF Nosatalio
JTF Encyclopedia Foundation

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In War, Victory.
In Peace, Vigilance.
In Death, Sacrifice.

[Altmoras]

Normally I like my food nice and fully cooked, but when you're offering this level of freelo I can't refuse.

[Cormactopia Prime]

It's totally fair to mock defenders for not re-liberating the region, for not having enough endos to empower a defender lead, or for losing the overall campaign. It's literally false to say that the region was not liberated, though. Go through the logs, it happened, it is GP fact.

The thing is, I'm not mocking defenders, and I couldn't care less about the raid of Ankh Mauta -- Asgard wasn't involved in it and neither was I as an individual. We were busy on a nine day detag after coordinating it with your First Warden. In regard to whether Ankh Mauta was liberated, I think that's just a matter of semantics and differing definitions of what "liberated" means. I don't regard a region as liberated unless control of the region has been taken back and the invading force has been expelled, so what you're calling "losing the overall campaign" is, to me, failing to liberate.

What bothers me, and the only reason I've bothered commenting, is that the Grey Wardens have consistently acted in this thread like they have something to celebrate and like The Black Hawks somehow lost and should be mocked for poor performance. It's not that I'm mocking you so much as pointing out that you have no reason to be mocking others. You did lose "the overall campaign," so there is literally no reason for Tim and whoever else to be going on in this thread about the supposed failings of The Black Hawks. They still won. You still lost. It happens, but don't act like it's a win when it isn't.

[Consular]

Eh I'll admit this comment was unnecessary so I've edited it.

The broad point is, Cormac, neither I nor anyone else really needs a reason that you consider legitimate to do what we want.

[Moneyness]

Sitting around, beating up on TBH's Tag Team,

[align=center]Regions Defended

Menterra II
Nova Tera Potestatis
BC Savannah
Neogehenna
Republic of Pangaea
The Monarchist Entente
United Socialist States of Lore
The Heropean Empire

TGW and their friends really need to work on chasing. They were fooled so bad last night into having their people head to the wrong region by thorning a very common and well known trick. They need to be more wary when they are out there.

[Consular]

TGW and their friends really need to work on chasing. They were fooled so bad last night into having their people head to the wrong region by thorning a very common and well known trick. They need to be more wary when they are out there.

Still bitter that we criticised your ejection skills, huh?

[DJ Raid]

TGW and their friends really need to work on chasing. They were fooled so bad last night into having their people head to the wrong region by thorning a very common and well known trick. They need to be more wary when they are out there.

Still bitter that we criticised your ejection skills, huh?

At least our skills are tout naturel.

[Tim-Opolis]

TGW and their friends really need to work on chasing. They were fooled so bad last night into having their people head to the wrong region by thorning a very common and well known trick. They need to be more wary when they are out there.

Most of our forces either a. ignored Steve or b. chased Steve because TBH was jumping so slow that it was amusing to do so.

Don't let this snipe about tag raiding by "most feared" raider organization distract you from their troops jumping five minutes into The Monarchist Entente.

[Drop Your Pants]

TGW and their friends really need to work on chasing. They were fooled so bad last night into having their people head to the wrong region by thorning a very common and well known trick. They need to be more wary when they are out there.

Some defenders are fast enough to beat the thorn, it takes a lot of practise to do it.

[Roavin]

Still bitter that we criticised your ejection skills, huh?

At least our skills are tout naturel.

[Escade]

In an alternate reality this post was going to be more seriously (like congrats to TBH on Ankh Mauta) &
defenders are just always epic people for all the reasons like 1-1000. I mean I'm still defending after 3ish months or so? I was only planning to "check out this part of NS and then write a little thing on it" and still here so it's got to be good.

Why are y'all trying to debate with him so hard? The winning strategy is to ignore him and wait until he is on your side again Nobody remembers who got the last word in the prior discussion after we unveil our next shitpost masterpiece.

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Normally I like my food nice and fully cooked, but when you're offering this level of freelo I can't refuse.

That's not food, that is a pic of what happens when you don't make sure your food is dead. And whoah that food needs a tan, like its looks mad grey. They need to get some beach time.

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Some defenders are fast enough to beat the thorn, it takes a lot of practise to do it.

A thorn is a thorn is a thorn and sometimes raiders fall into their own thorns But I do appreciate the advice to get better!

[Roavin]

A thorn is a thorn is a thorn and sometimes raiders fall into their own thorns

*cough* TEK *cough* The Invaders *cough*

[Goondog]

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No clue what you language ur speaking bro, but the word party is there and its like summer so why not:

AFRAID that Escade is on our blacklist
SORRY that you aren't invited
HOPING you can accept these sad conditions
UNDERSTANDING that the party ticket is non-refundable

Hereby declares Escade an enemy of The Goons™

-Goondo
Founder, Chief of Policia Sit down Drank Stand up Drank pass out drank wake up drank faded drank DragonSlayer99 'Bama born and raised master of the galaxy of The Goons™

If you have any concerns please telegram Roavin. For any compliments please telegram DJ Raid.

Also please for the love of Brodin, put that flashy image in a spoiler.

[Crazy girl]

Spoilered that image in Escade's post, not everyone deals well with flashing images like that.

[Consular]

Hereby declares Escade an enemy of The Goons™

Wow I bet she's trembling in fear right about now.

[Escade]

Spoilered that image in Escade's post, not everyone deals well with flashing images like that.

Thank you and sorry about that! Will spoiler things like that next time.