Official Statement Regarding the Eurasian Socialist Union

[Cerian Quilor]

ESU was never an ally of Europeia. And no meaningful damage was done. I remain completely bamboozled by your thought process here.

[Aimdar-Goomdar]

ESU was never an ally of Europeia. And no meaningful damage was done. I remain completely bamboozled by your thought process here.

ESU is an ally of an ally.

However, I am expressing my fear of the end product of this particularly slippery slope, which would be essentially raiding the assets of an ally.

Cerian Quilor - please don't act. You know what I was saying. I wasn't referring to ESU in my thought process.

[Cerian Quilor]

I don't feign ignorance to make a point. To make a joke, maybe, but then there'd be a tongue-sticking out smiley in my post as well.

Who on earth was ESU supposed to be allied with that Europeia was allied with?

[Aimdar-Goomdar]

I don't feign ignorance to make a point. To make a joke, maybe, but then there'd be a tongue-sticking out smiley in my post as well.

Who on earth was ESU supposed to be allied with that Europeia was allied with?

ESU is part of the NSLeft, a group of regions that includes The Communist Bloc and The Internationale. These two regions work in the organization founded by Europeia called CAIN.

[Sygian II]

...where the purpose was ultimately never blocked, as I still got a new jump point. Double Standards? Possibly, but it was just a training mission.

<blah blah snip snip>

Why would you need a jump point if you won't raid, because raiding regions is terrible, remember? Unless you're defending. If so, then you clearly don't understand or practice the concept of defending if you just raided a region.

The argument that a training mission =/= a legitimate invasion/tag raid is just your way of backing out of a pickle. Please explain, because you're being hella confusing.

[Cerian Quilor]

I don't feign ignorance to make a point. To make a joke, maybe, but then there'd be a tongue-sticking out smiley in my post as well.

Who on earth was ESU supposed to be allied with that Europeia was allied with?

ESU is part of the NSLeft, a group of regions that includes The Communist Bloc and The Internationale. These two regions work in the organization founded by Europeia called CAIN.

... The NSLeft is a formal organization with a treaty and everything? Also, CAIN isn't an alliance, just an agreement to fight Nazis together. An alliance would be something else, more on the level of the FRA, or the many bilateral treaties Europeia has.

[Aimdar-Goomdar]

...where the purpose was ultimately never blocked, as I still got a new jump point. Double Standards? Possibly, but it was just a training mission.

<blah blah snip snip>

Why would you need a jump point if you won't raid, because raiding regions is terrible, remember? Unless you're defending. If so, then you clearly don't understand or practice the concept of defending if you just raided a region.

The argument that a training mission =/= a legitimate invasion/tag raid is just your way of backing out of a pickle. Please explain, because you're being hella confusing.

Because this is exactly what Europea did with Eurasian Socialist Union. It's confusing to me too.

ESU is part of the NSLeft, a group of regions that includes The Communist Bloc and The Internationale. These two regions work in the organization founded by Europeia called CAIN.

... The NSLeft is a formal organization with a treaty and everything? Also, CAIN isn't an alliance, just an agreement to fight Nazis together. An alliance would be something else, more on the level of the FRA, or the many bilateral treaties Europeia has.

The NSLeft isn't a formal organization; it's a tightly knit community that The Communist Bloc and The Internationale are major powers of and support the many active regions in the community.

[Caelapes]

... The NSLeft is a formal organization with a treaty and everything?

Yes, it is.

The NSLeft isn't a formal organization; it's a tightly knit community that The Communist Bloc and The Internationale are major powers of and support the many active regions in the community.

Please don't talk about things that you don't understand as if you do understand them.

The Communist Bloc is not a leftist region and has never been a part of the NS Left community, let alone the one referred to as "NSLeft". TCB and TI don't have any relations, and in fact TCB doesn't have relations with any prominent leftist regions.

[Sygian II]

Because this is exactly what Europea did with Eurasian Socialist Union. It's confusing to me too.

Because they're raider oriented. Is this a surprise?

[Cerian Quilor]

... The NSLeft is a formal organization with a treaty and everything?

Yes, it is.

I stand corrected.

The NSLeft isn't a formal organization; it's a tightly knit community that The Communist Bloc and The Internationale are major powers of and support the many active regions in the community.

Please don't talk about things that you don't understand as if you do understand them.

The Communist Bloc is not a leftist region and has never been a part of the NS Left community, let alone the one referred to as "NSLeft". TCB and TI don't have any relations, and in fact TCB doesn't have relations with any prominent leftist regions.

Yeah, that's what I thought was the case.

[Cerian Quilor]

Why would you need a jump point if you won't raid, because raiding regions is terrible, remember? Unless you're defending. If so, then you clearly don't understand or practice the concept of defending if you just raided a region.

The argument that a training mission =/= a legitimate invasion/tag raid is just your way of backing out of a pickle. Please explain, because you're being hella confusing.

Because this is exactly what Europea did with Eurasian Socialist Union. It's confusing to me too.

We're not the ones trying to draw any sort of dividing line. That would be you.

[Nay-O-Bi]

The Communist Bloc is not a leftist region and has never been a part of the NS Left community, let alone the one referred to as "NSLeft". TCB and TI don't have any relations, and in fact TCB doesn't have relations with any prominent leftist regions.

Well, I apologize for misusing the term; I was referring to basically all active communist and socialist regions when I was talking about NSLeft. By this, I mean that if an active socialist region was occupied by an invading force, TCB and/or The Internationale would come to protect that region.

We're not the ones trying to draw any sort of dividing line. That would be you.

If I do a "training mission," it's horribly wrong. If Europeia does a "training mission," it's perfectly okay. Understood.

[Caelapes]

I mean that if an active socialist region was occupied by an invading force, TCB ... would come to protect that region.

Hahahaha no.

[Cerian Quilor]

We're not the ones trying to draw any sort of dividing line. That would be you.

If I do a "training mission," it's horribly wrong. If Europeia does a "training mission," it's perfectly okay. Understood.

It's not wrong. It's hypocritical of you to get all pissy at Europeia for having a training mission while doing the exact same thing yourself. That's the issue here.

[Nay-O-Bi]

I mean that if an active socialist region was occupied by an invading force, TCB ... would come to protect that region.

Hahahaha no.

In every instance?

This seems horribly wrong - what about The Red Fleet?

More specifically, if a fascist region invaded an active, 50-nations-and-above socialist region, wouldn't TCB come over to protect the socialist region?

Strange.

It's not wrong. It's hypocritical of you to get all pissy at Europeia for having a training mission while doing the exact same thing yourself. That's the issue here.

However, I did it within bounds, and did not target any allies or their allies. Europeia, on the other hand, is willing to invade a communist region, when they'll already allied with two communist regions in CAIN. You don't raid an ally of an ally.

[Cerian Quilor]

Hahahaha no.

In every instance?

This seems horribly wrong - what about The Red Fleet?

More specifically, if a fascist region invaded an active, 50-nations-and-above socialist region, wouldn't TCB come over to protect the socialist region?

Strange.

TCB's got a... complicated history. Involves Zenny. Leftists can be pretty fractious amongst themselves IRL anyway, and TCB is only sorta Leftist. It's more of a 'Communist Flavored Gameplay Region', rather than a true leftist region in the vein of TI.

[Nay-O-Bi]

TCB's got a... complicated history. Involves Zenny. Leftists can be pretty fractious amongst themselves IRL anyway, and TCB is only sorta Leftist. It's more of a 'Communist Flavored Gameplay Region', rather than a true leftist region in the vein of TI.

However, to the world, it's the world's largest Communist region. Boom.

[EnTgeisTerT]

TCB's got a... complicated history. Involves Zenny. Leftists can be pretty fractious amongst themselves IRL anyway, and TCB is only sorta Leftist. It's more of a 'Communist Flavored Gameplay Region', rather than a true leftist region in the vein of TI.

However, to the world, it's the world's largest Communist region. Boom.

To what part of the world, other than your pulpit?

[Cerian Quilor]

TCB's got a... complicated history. Involves Zenny. Leftists can be pretty fractious amongst themselves IRL anyway, and TCB is only sorta Leftist. It's more of a 'Communist Flavored Gameplay Region', rather than a true leftist region in the vein of TI.

However, to the world, it's the world's largest Communist region. Boom.

And? That means they have some magical obligation to defend random leftist regions they aren't allied with?

[Karafuto-cho]

Hahahaha no.

In every instance?

This seems horribly wrong - what about The Red Fleet?

More specifically, if a fascist region invaded an active, 50-nations-and-above socialist region, wouldn't TCB come over to protect the socialist region?

Strange.

It's not wrong. It's hypocritical of you to get all pissy at Europeia for having a training mission while doing the exact same thing yourself. That's the issue here.

However, I did it within bounds, and did not target any allies or their allies. Europeia, on the other hand, is willing to invade a communist region, when they'll already allied with two communist regions in CAIN. You don't raid an ally of an ally.

So, having the same ideology/ political system and no treaty that formally aligns you automatically makes you bound as that group's ally? This is news. Glad that you could teach all of the experienced GPers of NS something, Navasse

[Nay-O-Bi]

However, to the world, it's the world's largest Communist region. Boom.

To what part of the world, other than your pulpit?

NationStates. The online browser game, not the region.

However, to the world, it's the world's largest Communist region. Boom.

And? That means they have some magical obligation to defend random leftist regions they aren't allied with?

Not necessarily, though they will always take actions sometimes at least to defend leftist regions.

So, having the same ideology/ political system and no treaty that formally aligns you automatically makes you bound as that group's ally? This is news. Glad that you could teach all of the experienced GPers of NS something, Navasse

Nope. You're overgeneralizing now.

The regions are just together as Leftists, and there are always going to be large Leftist regions who defend the small, but active, leftist regions.

[Cerian Quilor]

But TCB doesn't do that. And again, CAIN isn't an alliance in the traditional sense, AND I don't see ESU on the list of members of the actual 'NSleft' pact that Misley linked too.

[Karafuto-cho]

So, having the same ideology/ political system and no treaty that formally aligns you automatically makes you bound as that group's ally? This is news. Glad that you could teach all of the experienced GPers of NS something, Navasse

Nope. You're overgeneralizing now.

The regions are just together as Leftists, and there are always going to be large Leftist regions who defend the small, but active, leftist regions.

You're even more clueless than I thought No one is going to challenge Euro, one of the largest UCRs in the game, over some worthless tag target. Especially not TCB, a barely active, founderless husk of its former self. It's simple politics and your idealism is ridiculous.

[EnTgeisTerT]

I honesty cannot tell whether you cannot take anything less than literally or are willfully ignorant: as an ambassador and good friend to TCB folks, I can tell you it's definitely not communist in the sense you're using it. Communism is a theme.

[Cerian Quilor]

Plus, again, simply being 'leftist' doesn't make any region inherently working with others that are 'leftist'.