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by Cerian Quilor » Sun Feb 19, 2017 4:07 am
by Aimdar-Goomdar » Sun Feb 19, 2017 5:15 am
Cerian Quilor wrote:ESU was never an ally of Europeia. And no meaningful damage was done. I remain completely bamboozled by your thought process here.
by Cerian Quilor » Sun Feb 19, 2017 6:10 am
by Aimdar-Goomdar » Sun Feb 19, 2017 12:14 pm
Cerian Quilor wrote:I don't feign ignorance to make a point. To make a joke, maybe, but then there'd be a tongue-sticking out smiley in my post as well.
Who on earth was ESU supposed to be allied with that Europeia was allied with?
by Sygian II » Sun Feb 19, 2017 1:02 pm
Aimdar-Goomdar wrote:...where the purpose was ultimately never blocked, as I still got a new jump point. Double Standards? Possibly, but it was just a training mission.
<blah blah snip snip>
Benevolent Thomas wrote:The Black Hawks continue to be the largest and most successful invader organization in NationStates
by Cerian Quilor » Sun Feb 19, 2017 2:00 pm
Aimdar-Goomdar wrote:Cerian Quilor wrote:I don't feign ignorance to make a point. To make a joke, maybe, but then there'd be a tongue-sticking out smiley in my post as well.
Who on earth was ESU supposed to be allied with that Europeia was allied with?
ESU is part of the NSLeft, a group of regions that includes The Communist Bloc and The Internationale. These two regions work in the organization founded by Europeia called CAIN.
by Aimdar-Goomdar » Sun Feb 19, 2017 2:14 pm
Sygian II wrote:Aimdar-Goomdar wrote:...where the purpose was ultimately never blocked, as I still got a new jump point. Double Standards? Possibly, but it was just a training mission.
<blah blah snip snip>
Why would you need a jump point if you won't raid, because raiding regions is terrible, remember? Unless you're defending. If so, then you clearly don't understand or practice the concept of defending if you just raided a region.
The argument that a training mission =/= a legitimate invasion/tag raid is just your way of backing out of a pickle. Please explain, because you're being hella confusing.
Cerian Quilor wrote:Aimdar-Goomdar wrote:
ESU is part of the NSLeft, a group of regions that includes The Communist Bloc and The Internationale. These two regions work in the organization founded by Europeia called CAIN.
... The NSLeft is a formal organization with a treaty and everything? Also, CAIN isn't an alliance, just an agreement to fight Nazis together. An alliance would be something else, more on the level of the FRA, or the many bilateral treaties Europeia has.
by Caelapes » Sun Feb 19, 2017 2:28 pm
Cerian Quilor wrote:... The NSLeft is a formal organization with a treaty and everything?
Aimdar-Goomdar wrote:The NSLeft isn't a formal organization; it's a tightly knit community that The Communist Bloc and The Internationale are major powers of and support the many active regions in the community.
by Sygian II » Sun Feb 19, 2017 2:44 pm
Aimdar-Goomdar wrote:Because this is exactly what Europea did with Eurasian Socialist Union. It's confusing to me too.
Benevolent Thomas wrote:The Black Hawks continue to be the largest and most successful invader organization in NationStates
by Cerian Quilor » Sun Feb 19, 2017 2:48 pm
Aimdar-Goomdar wrote:The NSLeft isn't a formal organization; it's a tightly knit community that The Communist Bloc and The Internationale are major powers of and support the many active regions in the community.
Please don't talk about things that you don't understand as if you do understand them.
The Communist Bloc is not a leftist region and has never been a part of the NS Left community, let alone the one referred to as "NSLeft". TCB and TI don't have any relations, and in fact TCB doesn't have relations with any prominent leftist regions.
by Cerian Quilor » Sun Feb 19, 2017 2:49 pm
Aimdar-Goomdar wrote:Sygian II wrote:Why would you need a jump point if you won't raid, because raiding regions is terrible, remember? Unless you're defending. If so, then you clearly don't understand or practice the concept of defending if you just raided a region.
The argument that a training mission =/= a legitimate invasion/tag raid is just your way of backing out of a pickle. Please explain, because you're being hella confusing.
Because this is exactly what Europea did with Eurasian Socialist Union. It's confusing to me too.
by Nay-O-Bi » Sun Feb 19, 2017 2:52 pm
Caelapes wrote:The Communist Bloc is not a leftist region and has never been a part of the NS Left community, let alone the one referred to as "NSLeft". TCB and TI don't have any relations, and in fact TCB doesn't have relations with any prominent leftist regions.
Cerian Quilor wrote:We're not the ones trying to draw any sort of dividing line. That would be you.
by Caelapes » Sun Feb 19, 2017 2:53 pm
Nay-O-Bi wrote:I mean that if an active socialist region was occupied by an invading force, TCB ... would come to protect that region.
by Cerian Quilor » Sun Feb 19, 2017 2:55 pm
by Nay-O-Bi » Sun Feb 19, 2017 2:58 pm
Cerian Quilor wrote:It's not wrong. It's hypocritical of you to get all pissy at Europeia for having a training mission while doing the exact same thing yourself. That's the issue here.
by Cerian Quilor » Sun Feb 19, 2017 2:59 pm
by Nay-O-Bi » Sun Feb 19, 2017 3:02 pm
Cerian Quilor wrote:TCB's got a... complicated history. Involves Zenny. Leftists can be pretty fractious amongst themselves IRL anyway, and TCB is only sorta Leftist. It's more of a 'Communist Flavored Gameplay Region', rather than a true leftist region in the vein of TI.
by EnTgeisTerT » Sun Feb 19, 2017 3:08 pm
Nay-O-Bi wrote:Cerian Quilor wrote:TCB's got a... complicated history. Involves Zenny. Leftists can be pretty fractious amongst themselves IRL anyway, and TCB is only sorta Leftist. It's more of a 'Communist Flavored Gameplay Region', rather than a true leftist region in the vein of TI.
However, to the world, it's the world's largest Communist region. Boom.
by Cerian Quilor » Sun Feb 19, 2017 3:11 pm
Nay-O-Bi wrote:Cerian Quilor wrote:TCB's got a... complicated history. Involves Zenny. Leftists can be pretty fractious amongst themselves IRL anyway, and TCB is only sorta Leftist. It's more of a 'Communist Flavored Gameplay Region', rather than a true leftist region in the vein of TI.
However, to the world, it's the world's largest Communist region. Boom.
by Karafuto-cho » Sun Feb 19, 2017 3:12 pm
Nay-O-Bi wrote:Caelapes wrote:Hahahaha no.
In every instance?
This seems horribly wrong - what about The Red Fleet?
More specifically, if a fascist region invaded an active, 50-nations-and-above socialist region, wouldn't TCB come over to protect the socialist region?
Strange.Cerian Quilor wrote:It's not wrong. It's hypocritical of you to get all pissy at Europeia for having a training mission while doing the exact same thing yourself. That's the issue here.
However, I did it within bounds, and did not target any allies or their allies. Europeia, on the other hand, is willing to invade a communist region, when they'll already allied with two communist regions in CAIN. You don't raid an ally of an ally.
by Nay-O-Bi » Sun Feb 19, 2017 3:13 pm
Karafuto-cho wrote:So, having the same ideology/ political system and no treaty that formally aligns you automatically makes you bound as that group's ally? This is news. Glad that you could teach all of the experienced GPers of NS something, Navasse
by Cerian Quilor » Sun Feb 19, 2017 3:15 pm
by Karafuto-cho » Sun Feb 19, 2017 3:17 pm
Nay-O-Bi wrote:Karafuto-cho wrote:So, having the same ideology/ political system and no treaty that formally aligns you automatically makes you bound as that group's ally? This is news. Glad that you could teach all of the experienced GPers of NS something, Navasse
Nope. You're overgeneralizing now.
The regions are just together as Leftists, and there are always going to be large Leftist regions who defend the small, but active, leftist regions.
by EnTgeisTerT » Sun Feb 19, 2017 3:20 pm
by Cerian Quilor » Sun Feb 19, 2017 3:21 pm
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