The Empire of Kantrias | FA Update 29th of February Edition

[Reventus Koth]

Additionally, Kantrias has 16 people credited on our tracking sheet as being present in the current raid on Philippines. That's more than I can ever recall Kantrias previously contributing to an operation, so "all accounts" you are hearing from are outdated.

[The Hinterplace]

I don't even know why Kantrias has subsumed Arda when they can't even keep up their own region. By all accounts, Kantrias has been near death for quite a long time.

They've gone from 86 to 125 nations over the past month alone. Who are you asking for this information

An Aes Sedai does not share her eyes and ears with anyone.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

Idk what an ass sensei is but so far the Skarian Revival is proving impressive as far as I'm concerned.

[Onderkelkia]

If we want to get pedantic, alignment != ideology. The 11th Year Accords professed an Imperialist ideology that aligns with the ideology of Raider Unity to create areas of mutual interests and benefits.

Certainly you are getting pedantic, in the NS gameplay context of referring to a region as having "always been a Raider [...] region" and having "not once claimed to be anything but Imperialist and Raider aligned", both statements made earlier in this thread and which I would understand together.

Whatever is being attempted with "The 11th Year Accords" does not mean that it can be read back into Kantrias history as its eternal view. Kantrias is within its rights to change its ideology/alignment and players can debate the merits of that, but its previous positions cannot be rewritten retrospectively.

It should be wholly uncontentious to say that Kantrias viewed imperialism as a variant of independence and has not always identified as Raider, even while recognising that it (like the TNI/LKE historically, and the LKE today) was pro-raiding and cooperated with raiders based on mutual respect and interest.

Of course, if the astute reader were to actually check the links which Onder has provided, they would notice that the first makes only one reference to 'Independence' and that it is not in relation to Kantrias at all ("Europeia is the modern paragon and leading power of Independence").

The "astute reader" - assuming that they are not choosing to be disingenuous - is capable of comprehending what is written in that document and not just searching for a word. The specific paragraph - from which you selectively quote - reads in full:

Europeia is the modern paragon and leading power of Independence, that ideal of free action in pursuit of individual interest, unrestrained by raider and defender partisanship. As Imperialists, we walk in that same intellectual tradition, and so it makes sense for us to ally on that alone. We share a common worldview, have common interests.

Imperialism is situated within the independent ideological perspective and specifically on the rejection of raider and defender partisanship - far from being affiliated/aligned to raiders. The language is mirroring the Independent Manifesto and deliberately so.

That leaves us with a dispatch of a nearly-decade-old document published by North East Somerset, a nation whose primary claim to fame is lying to both sides of the Milograd TSP coup in an attempt to further his own interests in the region, and we are expected to take its contents at face value.

You appear to be suggesting that North East Somerset falsified the signatories to The Independent Manifesto when recording Kylia Quilor on behalf of Kantrias - in a period when Kantrias was friendly with regions including Europeia and the LKE. That is meritless on its face.

The fact is that Kantrias signed The Independent Manifesto - signatories to which identify themselves (and imperialist regions in general) as independent and as rejecting the raider-defender dichotomy and the concept that their interests have any place within that raider-defender dichotomy.

By the way, you say that NES "[lied] to both sides of the Milograd TSP coup". You are mixed up on your (mischaracterised) reference.

[JayDee II]

For those who aren't PNG'd in Europeia https://forums.europeians.com/index.php ... t-10094409

Maybe PNGs can see it too but idk

In my capacity as Queen of Kantrias, I sign the Independence Manifesto, as the Council of Nobles has voted to agree that that Kantrias sign the Manifesto.

Name: Kylia Basilissa Regina Quilor
Position: Queen of Kantrias, Gavel and Sword of the Realm
Region: Kantrias

[Vleerian Ravagia]

Whatever is being attempted with "The 11th Year Accords" does not mean that it can be read back into Kantrias history as its eternal view. Kantrias is within its rights to change its ideology/alignment and players can debate the merits of that, but its previous positions cannot be rewritten retrospectively.

As someone who is presently involved in Kantrias, appreciates it deeply, and has a great interest in the history - I appreciate that you have come and given such fantastic sources to read back and catch up on some of the areas where my knowledge is lacking. As time is somewhat of a luxury for me these days, you have truly done me a great service.

I have snipped the above because I think it captures arguably the most important part of this conversation. I extend my deepest gratitude for ensuring history remains immutable, and that the history of this region I have (admittedly only recently joined as of a few months ago) become so fond of is both widely spread and not altered. With that said, I think further argument on the topic of Kantrias' historical alignment is rather pointless. As Leutria stated, what is useful to Kantrias - and by extension, Imperialism in Kantrias - shall be kept and pursued.

As I am thoroughly invested in Raiderdom, I will refrain from commenting on if Raiders are beneficial to Kantrias, and leave that for a more unbiased party to comment on.

Maybe Arran Drake the Pretender should brush up on his own region’s history.

An Aes Sedai does not share her eyes and ears with anyone.

The achievements of the Emperor over the past three months speak for themselves - a threefold increase in nations, and far higher participation in the military which has seen actual battlefield gains, to name the ones that matter the most. Improvement is happening right in front of you, all at the hand of a clearly capable Emperor that you see fit to call a "pretender."

Perhaps, when you are in the mood to make Ideologically motivated snipes, you should consult with Onder first. Whatever eyes and ears you are presently using don't seem to be quite as sharp as his memory.

[North East Somerset]

For those who aren't PNG'd in Europeia https://forums.europeians.com/index.php ... t-10094409

Maybe PNGs can see it too but idk

For the record its an unedited post by Kylia Quilor made on September 19th, 2017;

"In my capacity as Queen of Kantrias, I sign the Independence Manifesto, as the Council of Nobles has voted to agree that that Kantrias sign the Manifesto.

Name: Kylia Basilissa Regina Quilor
Position: Queen of Kantrias, Gavel and Sword of the Realm
Region: Kantrias"

But maybe the Europeian admins created the post?

After all, its certainly not a possibility that current Kantrian leadership are deeply disingenuous and untrustworthy in everything they are now alleging about their own region's history.

No, its more likely that everyone else who was around at the time all the previous interactions with Kantrias occurred, is part of an elaborate conspiracy.

[Wascoitan]

They've gone from 86 to 125 nations over the past month alone. Who are you asking for this information

An Aes Sedai does not share her eyes and ears with anyone.

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[Eternal Algerstonia]

They've gone from 86 to 125 nations over the past month alone. Who are you asking for this information

An Aes Sedai does not share her eyes and ears with anyone.

outjerked

[Antovign]

It's endlessly amusing to me that none of the original founders of Arda are actually against this, but there MUST be CONTROVERSY RAH RAH RAH! So let us dig up stuff from years ago and slap it in everyone's face so we feel better about being petty.

Last I checked this thread was about Kantrias 'subsuming' Arda, not picking apart one thing that was misspoken? But alas, none of this is that unexpected. I genuinely expect some kind of snarky tear down for this, too.

[Omnicontrol]

It's endlessly amusing to me that none of the original founders of Arda are actually against this, but there MUST be CONTROVERSY RAH RAH RAH! So let us dig up stuff from years ago and slap it in everyone's face so we feel better about being petty.

Last I checked this thread was about Kantrias 'subsuming' Arda, not picking apart one thing that was misspoken? But alas, none of this is that unexpected. I genuinely expect some kind of snarky tear down for this, too.

no but you see if a region that adheres to raider unity and is at least mildly relevant does anything they are evil tyrants and hypocrites and will obviously collapse tomorrow

[Delta-8]

Operation: Frog Ponds

“My Emperor.” The Lady Marshal greeted the Emperor as he walked into the command center. “I have found us a target, one that I believe is most fitting.” She said with a smirk. The Emperor looked at the large table in the middle of the room. Walking towards it he spotted the target and smirked. The Lady Marshal noticed it, adding; “Naturally, it awaits your approval..” The Emperor nodded his head as he listened to his Lady Marshal; “I see it is part of the Empire of Great Britain?” He planted his hand right down the region’s capital and chuckled “Indeed, your Majesty.” The woman in front of him replied. A soft smile turned into a more steadfast expression as she asked; “Do I have your approval?” The Emperor’s father - Knight Caldemar - entered the command center, looked at the map and gave a remark; “Such a backwater swamp with only one guard. Fitting for it to be part of the Empire of Great Britain.” The Lady Marshal laughed, “This region asks to be raided.” The Knight chuckled. The Lady Marshal and the Knight looked towards the Emperor.“Target approved, Lady Marshal.” The Emperor declared as he looked at the two people in the room.
Under the cover of the night the Army of the Empire of Kantrias marched alongside their allies from Sparkalia and The Brotherhood of Malice. The Crown Dependency of Hong Kong sat guarded by a single guard from the British, silently moving past them the Army was able to march directly into the capital, Delta-8 seizing the position of the delegate from the British appointed nation.

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Kantrian Frogs:
Emperor Terra Inferiori Reliquere
Lady Marshal Marthizer
Knight Leutria
Woman-at-Arms Vleerian Ravagia
Man at Arms Skorrord
Man-at-Arms Valfor
Man-at-Arms Mikasa Ackerman

Froggy Friends:
Enlistee United Calanworie, The Communist Bloc
Sage Chaotic Sparkles, Sparkalia
Assassin New Sunville, The Brotherhood of Malice
Assassin Rudastan, The Brotherhood of Malice
Assassin AVRBenism, The Brotherhood of Malice

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Pictured below, Emperor Arran watching his troops march into the region

[Improper Classifications]

operation, 10/10. narrative, 7/10. art, 9/10. overall, 9.6/10

[Josi Sedai and Her Warder I]

I am not surprised the Pretender approved the raid of a target that really isn’t interesting at all — a month old region with 45 nations and 1 Endorsement. A weak and feeble choice made with a petty spirit.

[Roanoke Colony]

Targets don't have to be "interesting" to show what you're capable of. Glory to Kantrias! For the land of the Gavel and the Sword! Kantrias likely wasn't on one's short list of frightening strength. With this raid, It should be now. As Souls said, "the Skarian Revival is proving impressive as far as I'm concerned."

Long live the Emperor! Go Frogs!

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

I am not surprised the Pretender approved the raid of a target that really isn’t interesting at all — a month old region with 45 nations and 1 Endorsement. A weak and feeble choice made with a petty spirit.

You should tell August that.

[Omnicontrol]

I am not surprised the Pretender approved the raid of a target that really isn’t interesting at all — a month old region with 45 nations and 1 Endorsement. A weak and feeble choice made with a petty spirit.

At least the Pretender is raiding regions, not forum reports.

[Terra Inferiori Reliquere]

I am not surprised the Pretender approved the raid of a target that really isn’t interesting at all — a month old region with 45 nations and 1 Endorsement. A weak and feeble choice made with a petty spirit.

-snip because nobody cares to read this drivel twice-

You should tell August that.

It seems it took the EoGB 14 hours and 12 minutes to notice something had changed in The Crown Dependency of Hong Kong. When they finally did notice, I received a message from their Prime Minister telling me I had two choices; 1. to withdraw immediately and 2. to survive three or four liberation attempts before it is finally liberated. Their attempts to intimidate and coerce me into withdrawing were not only pathetic, they were laughable.

While Operation: Frog Ponds is still going strong, our primary objectives have already been achieved. Given the sheer amount of endorsements our RO’s receive from many of Kantrias’ friends and the record-breaking Kantrian numbers I would say this operation has been an astounding success.

[Terra Inferiori Reliquere]

Statement on the Termination of Diplomatic Relations with the Holy Utopian Empire

Moments ago, the Imperial Citizens of Kantrias as well as all foreign Ambassadors and Visitors present were informed of the termination of all diplomatic relations with the Holy Utopian Empire (HUE).

In my communiqué to HUE's Minister of Foreign Affairs, I stated the following;

Minister of Foreign Affairs Unike,

I am writing to bring to your immediate attention a matter of utmost urgency pertaining to the actions of an individual associated with the Holy Utopian Empire, known on Discord as 'neoniantechnocracydystopia1240' and identified as the Holy Utopian Empire's Minister of Defense under the NS name 'Atomtopia.'

Approximately 30 minutes ago, I identified text messages containing extremist, fascist, genocide-denialist, and other problematic content from the aforementioned individual. This is in direct violation of the Empire of Kantrias’ zero-tolerance policy on fascism and related matters.

In accordance with our commitment to safeguarding Imperial Citizens from potential harm posed by such vile individuals, I hereby declare the immediate termination of all diplomatic relations between the Empire of Kantrias and the Holy Utopian Empire. Consequently, the embassy allocated to the Holy Utopian Empire is to be dismantled forthwith.

It is pertinent to note that the Empire of Kantrias has meticulously documented transcripts of the objectionable text history attributed to Atomtopia. In the spirit of fostering inter-regional cooperation and ensuring the collective security of our allies, the Empire of Kantrias has disseminated these transcripts among its diplomatic partners.

Your prompt attention to this matter is earnestly requested, and I remain at your disposal for any further clarifications or discussions deemed necessary.


His Imperial Majesty the Emperor,
Arran Drake “Skar” Quilor

The transcripts are being maintained by Kantrias and will be distributed as deemed necessary by the Imperial Government.

I will reiterate that the Empire of Kantrias has a strict zero-tolerance policy on fascism and related matters. If HUE's WAD had not voted For the SC Resolution "Liberate The Crown Dependency Of Hong Kong" as well as SC Resolution "Injunct The Crown Dependency Of Hong Kong", or otherwise hadn't gone out of their way to make enemies of us at their every turn (flying HUE flags during liberation attempts of Hong Kong for example), this matter could possibly have been resolved privately.

In short:
Diplomatic relations with HUE have been terminated.
Embassies maintained with HUE have been deconstructed.

[UPC]

If HUE's WAD had not voted For the SC Resolution "Liberate The Crown Dependency Of Hong Kong" as well as SC Resolution "Injunct The Crown Dependency Of Hong Kong", or otherwise hadn't gone out of their way to make enemies of us at their every turn (flying HUE flags during liberation attempts of Hong Kong for example), this matter could possibly have been resolved privately.

In what world is this an appropriate conclusion to an announcement that you are terminating relations with a region over allegations of fascism?

[Terra Inferiori Reliquere]

If HUE's WAD had not voted For the SC Resolution "Liberate The Crown Dependency Of Hong Kong" as well as SC Resolution "Injunct The Crown Dependency Of Hong Kong", or otherwise hadn't gone out of their way to make enemies of us at their every turn (flying HUE flags during liberation attempts of Hong Kong for example), this matter could possibly have been resolved privately.

In what world is this an appropriate conclusion to an announcement that you are terminating relations with a region over allegations of fascism?

The statement is about a single member of HUE - namely their Minister of Defense; 'neoniantechnocracydystopia1240'/'Atomtopia'. If relations between Kantrias and HUE had been more amicable from the start, we would have reached out privately to urge them to purge the fascist element from their ranks. However, since they have been openly - and obviously - against Kantrias, we decided to do so publicly and without prior nor private communication with HUE.

[UPC]

In what world is this an appropriate conclusion to an announcement that you are terminating relations with a region over allegations of fascism?

The statement is about a single member of HUE - namely their Minister of Defense; 'neoniantechnocracydystopia1240'/'Atomtopia'. If relations between Kantrias and HUE had been more amicable from the start, we would have reached out privately to urge them to purge the fascist element from their ranks. However, since they have been openly - and obviously - against Kantrias, we decided to do so publicly and without prior nor private communication with HUE.

I am surprised that you are willing to admit so openly that you base your responses to OOC issues on what is convenient for you IC. Aren't you an admin in Kantrias?

If a region hosts content so concerning that you feel the need to make a public statement condemning it (note that I have not seen any of the content identified by Skar in his announcement, possibly because he has only deigned to share that OOC content with his IC diplomatic partners), the IC consequences of addressing and responding to that behavior should be the least of your concerns.

[Terra Inferiori Reliquere]

The statement is about a single member of HUE - namely their Minister of Defense; 'neoniantechnocracydystopia1240'/'Atomtopia'. If relations between Kantrias and HUE had been more amicable from the start, we would have reached out privately to urge them to purge the fascist element from their ranks. However, since they have been openly - and obviously - against Kantrias, we decided to do so publicly and without prior nor private communication with HUE.

I am surprised that you are willing to admit so openly that you base your responses to OOC issues on what is convenient for you IC. Aren't you an admin in Kantrias?

If a region hosts content so concerning that you feel the need to make a public statement condemning it (note that I have not seen any of the content identified by Skar in his announcement, possibly because he has only deigned to share that OOC content with his IC diplomatic partners), the IC consequences of addressing and responding to that behavior should be the least of your concerns.

You have but to ask, UPC, and I'll gladly provide you - and Europeia - the document. Sharing off-site evidence on the forums has been iffy at best for the last decade or so. I am sure you remember how to find me. I do not appreciate the insinuation that I possibly have only shared the OOC information with my IC diplomatic partners.

Nonetheless, this is my first time handling something of this nature. We're not accusing the region as a whole of being fascist. The discovery of them - possibly unknowingly - harboring a fascist member happened to coincide with an internal wish to / sentiment of shuttering the embassy. Hence the IC explanation. OOC, Kantrias has been sharing the information freely and willingly.

[Vleerian]

possibly because he has only deigned to share that OOC content with his IC diplomatic partners

Are you expecting Skar to reach out to Europeia to share it with you or something?
Sharing evidence from offsite has always been iffy at best on NS. If you really cared you'd have asked.

[Chacapoya]

The optics of “we’ll be quiet over informing you of fascist members if you’re nice to us” is WILD. The majority of your post implies a major issue, noting this individual is a member of regional leadership, leading one to assume you have doubts in their ability to properly deal with fascist members. And then, you turn around and say actually no it’s just one person and really we’re closing the embassy cause we wanted a reason to do so. You’re offering a quid-pro-quo of not tying regions to fascism, an incredibly serious accusation to make, with voting alongside your interests in the SC. It’s an unfortunate look.