The Empire of Kantrias | FA Update 29th of February Edition

[Onderkelkia]

As regards Kantrias, bearing in mind that the resolution that triggered this...was proposed by Valfor Talleyrand

So what? As a Citizen of Kantrias, I am allowed to propose resolutions and bills. Bills and resolutions need the support of other legislators and citizens, not just one person. You keep espousing this viewpoint that I am somehow the only one responsible, but - and I will repeat it here for you - Councillors/Citizens of Kantrias emphatically agreed with the resolution to my surprise! I was not expecting a unanimous vote, given Kantrias has people on polar opposites of the political spectrum many times. While I may have written the resolution, it certainly could not have been only my opinion or only of my own doing. I am not King of Kantrias. I cannot make unilateral decisions, rather this was a communal decision (something the LKE probably isn't used to).

I am not suggesting that you are "somehow the only one responsible". Kantrias is accountable collectively for the decisions of its institutions.

However, it is obviously a pertinent fact that you proposed the resolution to the legislature, regardless of whether others agreed with the proposal after it was presented or not, and your role as the author has been mentioned accordingly where it is relevant. I think it has been referenced twice, once in the LKE's formal response when providing the text of the resolution for context, and the second time in the quoted segment of my post above.

Proposing any item of legislation is a major role in securing its passage, typically more substantive and consequential than voting for it. If a resolution is not proposed, it does not get discussed or voted on, and whether individuals vote for it often depends on who proposed it and how they advocate for it. In my experience of legislative assemblies across multiple regions, particularly in foreign affairs, others often defer to the proposer and the facts as they present them (in this case the incorrect claim that eight LKE citizens had been banished without trial). So I would not downplay the role of a proposer.

Citizen/non-citizen is not a technicality

My response was a little more nuanced. How do I say this nicely? IT IS a technicality if you treat them the same

Your comments are purely speculative as far as the outcome in this case concerned

Seeing how you have dealt with similar situations, I doubt it.

We do not treat citizens and non-citizens the same. Just because there is a constitutional process - which permits citizens to be banished by the Emperor signing a Lettre de cachet - does not mean that this process will be used as readily as it would in exercising discretion to decline access to a non-citizen.

There is a higher threshold for banishing a citizen, and it is done more deliberately and reluctantly. Non-citizen access is completely discretionary - and many can testify that the LKE has always been ready to remove non-citizen access without any process, going back to the wars with the FRA and the UDL.

In this instance, Emperor Felix retrospectively imposed Lettre de cachet on yourself, Astrid Weisberg-Talleyrand and Rose Weisberg-Talleyrand, but not on the other former citizens whose access was removed. To remove the others as citizens would have required issuing a Lettre de cachet, which was not later done. There is a reasonable possibility that Lettre de cachet would have been issued in the three mentioned cases if you had stayed, but not a certainty.

There is indeed ample historical precedent for lawful application of Lettre de cachet against citizens in this kind of scenario - which is precisely why it is strange that Kantrias passed a resolution and issued a statement suggesting that these actions somehow reflected a change in the LKE's values. However, there are also precedents for the Crown electing not to do so in specific cases, based on the public interest: for instance, with the members of Albion. In any case, regardless of the hypotheticals, the fact is that you left first; so it is materially inaccurate to claim you were banished as citizens.

[Terra Inferiori Reliquere]

Alright friends, allies and others,
This isn’t the thread for anything not directly related to the statements and updates posted by Kantrias. You are hereby requested to take it to telegrams, or your own respective threads.

I will not be discussing this post.

You have all made your opinions abundantly clear, but the time to stop hijackkng our embassy has come.

Thank you.

[Camp Hebron]

Kantrias to the World; The Land of the Gavel and Sword
From the Office of the Secretary General

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Government of Kantrias
Monarch: King Caldemar Leutria, of Leutria
Secretary General: Lord Jackson III, of Camp Hebron
Under Secretary General: Hungarian, of Anarchist-Hungary
Minister of Culture: Sara Lucky Zobieski Quilor, of Bloomfairy
Minister of the Interior: Raeliana, of Avielos
Minister of Foreign Affairs: Hungarian, of Anarchist-Hungary

Important Links
Region Page
Region Embassy
Regional Discord

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Revival of Kantrias
A new era has begun for Kantrias. Upon the passage of a new Constitution, it was decided that the region of Kantrias would be rebranded as a Commonwealth, with a Monarch as the Head of State and the Secretary General acting as the elected executive power of the government. The legislature, called the Violet Assembly, has been opened to all citizens of the region, granting each individual their own voice in the legislative process.

As it stands, the Violet Assembly has passed their Rules of Procedure, a Law Code, and an act pertaining to the election and impeachment of government officials. Currently, the Violet Assembly is in the midst of debating a proposal that details the actions and steps taken during regional states of emergency, with the proposal defining different circumstances for crises such as the destruction of regional communication or a rapid purge of activity.

Election of the Secretary General and Appointment of Ministers
As per the Constitution of Kantrias, the power of the executive is borne by both the Monarch of Kantrias and the Secretary General, a position elected by the citizens of the Commonwealth. The first election season for the position of Secretary General started on January 23, and included three candidates: August Stuart-Windsor of Ventruela, RZ trade union and crime island, and Lord Jackson III of Camp Hebron.

RZ started the campaigning by running on a platform of maintaining the openness of the region, with August following suit on the platform of getting Kantrias active on the international scale once more and beginning to open relations with other regions. Jackson, contrary to August, ran on a platform of focusing on the internal functioning of the Commonwealth such as recruitment and integration. All three candidates were interviewed by King Caldemar Leutria, whether through voice recording or through written text, in order to provide more information on their campaigns and ideas for the region.

Voting began January 28 and ended January 30. In the end, RZ received four votes (25%), August received eight votes (50%), and Jackson received four votes (25%), determining August as the new Secretary General of the revived Kantrias.

Being appointed Minister of Foreign Affairs for the term was Skar Quilor (of Terra Inferiori Reliquere). Jeeve Sal Alohim (of Jeeves Land) was named as the Minister of the Interior (after some time spent interviewing candidates), and Lord Jackson III (of Camp Hebron) was named as the Minister of Culture.

The second election season for the Secretary General began on March 10, 2023. Candidates included Hungarian of Anarchist-Hungary and Lord Jackson III of Camp Hebron. Voting began on March 18, and ended with three votes (38%) in favor of Hungarian and five votes (63%) in favor of Jackson.

The new Cabinet for Jackson’s term included Hungarian (of Anarchist-Hungary) as Under Secretary General and Minister of the Interior, Raeliana (of Avielos) as Minister of Foreign Affairs, and Sara Quilor (of Bloomfairy) as Minister of Culture.

Address from the Secretary General of the Commonwealth

Kantrians, friends, allies, and all others,

It brings me great delight for Kantrias to be returning to activity. I first joined Kantrias back in the summer of 2017, with my second (and primary) nation of Camp Hebron. At the time, I was a young and ambitious player, and though I wanted to be involved in regional government I lacked the necessary experience and knowledge to be effective. Since then, I have seen Kantrias rise and fall in activity, being present for three* different iterations of the region. Previously, I had served as the equivalent of a Foreign Affairs Minister as well as having a seat in the legislature (when it was still a representative body rather than all citizens having a vote). I had also served, albeit rather briefly, as the lead commander of the military of Kantrias back when it was under the moniker of the Allied Forces of Kantrias.

Kantrias, in its current form, I predict, is going to be the strongest it has been in quite a while, so long as we remain diligent and faithful. When the elections for Secretary General were first announced, I was unsure if I wanted to run. After all, I had not held the executive position in the region, and had not quite been the greatest at the positions I did hold. However, I remembered a quote from one of my personal heroes while thinking it over (and coincidentally being on-stage in a musical involving the same person and line which was spoken). "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself." This single statement, said by President Franklin Delano Roosevelt during his Inaugural Address, ultimately pushed me to run for the highest office of the new iteration of the region.

I was joined by two worthy adversaries, both of whom had bright ideas for the region. Though I was not elected, August made an excellent Secretary General who managed to keep the region on its feet and had many ideas in order to promote the growth of the revitalized community, maintaining communication with his Cabinet to prevent government inactivity. Sadly, as is the nature of life, August needed to move on and devote time to life outside of NationStates. I want to thank him for the work he has done, and I wish him the best in his endeavors, as well as hoping he will join us again once the dust has settled. I may not have gotten to work with him too much while in the position of Minister of Culture, but I know he was on the verge of bringing about rapid population growth for the region.

My major focus as Secretary General is on the internal functioning of the region. I had penned a series of executive decrees during the first term in preparation for if I won the election or ran again, though I intend for these decrees to only be in effect until the Violet Assembly is able to officialize them into law, whereupon the decrees will become redundant and can be withdrawn. The decrees that are currently planned include the creation of an awards system to incentivize activity and involvement, and the reestablishment of the position of World Assembly Delegate.

While I am focused on the interior of the Commonwealth and stated that I would not focus on relations with foreign regions (during the first election), this does not mean I am pushing an isolationist policy. I am giving near autonomy to the Minister of Foreign Affairs to handle relations with other regions, while I devote the majority of my attention to building up the region in terms of function and members.

There is a lot of work to be done, and perhaps the work will never be finished, but that's what makes the experience enjoyable, isn't it? I leave you all with another quote from another one of my heroes, the other Roosevelt, Theodore: "Believe you can and you're halfway there."

Lord Jackson III
Secretary General of the Commonwealth of Kantrias

My telegrams and Discord DMs are open for anyone who wishes to contact me. Those who wish to contact me over Discord can send a message to Lord Jackson III#4025 (the III is three capital i's).

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For Kantrias, the Land of the Gavel and Sword!

[Quebecshire]

You guys still exist?

[Camp Hebron]

You guys still exist?

Yep! We've always held on by the skin of our teeth when things got low, now we've managed to grab back onto the ladder once more.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

Congrats to Kantrias, especially those elected! Hope the new commonwealth works well for you!

[Leutria]

You guys still exist?

Never doubt our ability to keep the lights on and keep running. We are not going away anytime soon

(Although we are sometimes bad at keeping the world appraised of our actions)

[Quebecshire]

You guys still exist?

Never doubt our ability to keep the lights on and keep running. We are not going away anytime soon

I can relate to that much, having dragged myself along in one place since 2016.

[Cretanja]

Congratulations on the recent election to all my friends in Kantrias!

[Terra Inferiori Reliquere]

The Kantrian Update
A New Constitution and the First Emperor.






FA-I | 06-09-2023

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The King’s Last Address
The longest reign in the history of Kantrias has come to an end! Nine years after first ascending the throne, King Caldemar Leutria Quilor has abdicated in favour of his son; the then-Prince Arran Drake “Skar” Quilor. The King’s last address was written in a style familiar to those who have been part of Kantrias for a while.

For those who may not have had the pleasure of reading the King’s words, we provide a copy;

“My fellow Kantrians,

As many of you may have noticed, I have not been able to be as active as a King should be. I deeply love Kantrias, and have loved working with all of you to make the region a second home, and a fun and caring place to be. As such, I have been keenly aware of the disservice I have done the region by hanging onto power. You all deserve a sovereign who is an active member of the community, and who will work tirelessly to make Kantrias the best place it can be. Therefore, as of today I am abdicating the throne.

After some discussions with my children, I have decided to leave the region in the hands of my capable son, Prince Arran “Skar” Drake Quilor. That said, I do not intend to abandon Kantrias. I have every intention to stick around and continue to contribute where I can.

When I first took the throne, my first act was to tear down the Delphinium Palace, and put a new constitution before the region. Now today I am doing the same thing to prepare the region for my son. Backstage The House Quilor and the Secretary General have been hashing out a new Constitution for a new age. We believe this Constitution sets Kantrias up for greatness in the future, and better molds it for your new Emperor to make the most impact.

I wield my ultimate and sovereign authority to impose the following Constitution upon the region. There will be no constitutional convention, debate, or voting. Let me assure you, this is my will, and my right as King and Governor of Kantrias. As the King who scrapped the constitution, or upended the status quo 6 times over my reign, it is only fitting my last act is to do it once more.

Now invite you to join me in celebrating our new Emperor.

For the Glory of the Gavel and Sword, all hail Emperor Arran Drake Quilor!”

The King’s Last Act
As he abdicated, the King wielded his ultimate and sovereign authority for one last time; he imposed the Imperial Constitution of the Empire of Kantrias onto the Region, turning the Commonwealth into the Empire. He was clear and concise in how it would be; no constitutional convention, no debate and no voting.

This was to be his last act as King; his word and his will executed.

The Emperor’s First Address
As the King’s last address ended, the Emperor’s first began. The contrast between the two could not have been more obvious; whereas the King conveyed a humble and community-centric approach, the Emperor adopted a strong and decisive one, expressing his commitment to Imperialism and safeguarding the history and sovereignty of the Empire.

For those who may not have had the pleasure of reading the Emperor’s words, we provide a copy;

“My fellow Kantrians, esteemed foreign dignitaries and visitors,

I am most grateful for the kind words uttered by my dear Father, who has reigned as Kantrias’ monarch for over nine years. While he speaks of the ‘disservice’ he has done to the region, I speak of a service worthy of our respect.

On this day, we mark a transition of power so momentous that it shakes the very foundation of our Kantrian society. For almost twelve years, Kantrias has stood as one of the oldest still remaining societies of our world, and for even longer my family has been making a name for itself on the broader global stage, the majority of which under his leadership.

While we transition to this new age put in motion by my dear Father, my Imperial family, and the last Secretary-General of a past age, we must remain steadfast in our defiance of those who would set us against one another.

I make a promise to all of you;

I will lead the Empire of Kantrias with unwavering resolve and a decisive hand, our Imperialist ideology at the very core of our motivation, as we march forward with hearts aflame and unwavering purpose to enhance our greatness, security, and to safeguard our history. With unyielding dedication, I shall ensure that the legacy of Kantrias endures as a beacon of strength, unity, and unassailable sovereignty for generations to come.

For the Glory of the Empire, the Gavel and the Sword!”

A Royal Transition: Emperor Arran's Ascension in Kantrias

As the Empire of Kantrias ushers in a new era, its focal point is our newly crowned Emperor. But who exactly is he, and what transformative contributions does he bring to Kantrias?

Emperor Arran has a long history in Kantrias, first having joined the region five years ago at the start of our 3rd era. He quickly got involved, integrating himself into the community and being an active member of the political scene. As Kantrias moved into its 4th era, he was a central figure in the shaping of the region, with his energy and strong opinions proving essential to building the Kantrias up and creating an active and welcoming community.

In recognition of his active role in the region and of their close friendship, King Caldemar Leutria Quilor adopted Arran a mere two years after he became a Kantrian, warmly welcoming him to the royal family.

So, who is Arran? He is a singularly determined individual who will see his will be done, while still taking the time to debate with others to reach a truly Kantrian compromise. He is a pillar of the community, always willing to join an existing conversation or start one up if things are quiet. He is a loyal friend who you know has your back and will see you right. He is a singularly honest person, unafraid to say it like it is and take a stand where he sees things wrong.

What does the reign of Emperor Arran mean for Kantrias? It means Kantrias has an active hand at the reins, one who will drive the region forward instead of quietly encouraging others to do the work. It means the Empire of Kantrias will be a region that stands for something and will not simply bow to popular trends. It means Kantrias will have a distinct identity on the world stage, and will see many more bright and active years to come.

All Hail Emperor Arran!

[Marthizer]

Long live the Empire, Long live the Emperor!

[The Ever-Wanderer]

To a new era!

[Flemingisa]

I foresee a great future for Kantrias with Emperor Arran and wish to offer my congratulations on his ascension.

[Terra Inferiori Reliquere]

The Eleventh Year Accords

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⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀The Empire of Kantrias

The Brotherhood of Malice⠀⠀⠀

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Amidst the grandeur of a wide avenue, a remarkable scene unfolds. Marching in tandem, the Imperial Army of Kantrias, resplendent in modernized Imperial armor, moves with unwavering discipline. Their weapons match the theme of their armor and clothing; adorned with accents of Imperial Purple. Steel standards, bearing the Imperial flag, are held high, and these Imperial Purple standards proudly display the black Gavel and Sword emblem, signifying their unwavering loyalty to the Empire.

In contrast, the shadowy Brotherhood of Malice's army of assassins, concealed beneath robes of Malice Purple and hooded secrecy, moves as silently as death itself.

The Imperial Knights, with their polished armor, weapons fashioned in a fusion of archaic craftsmanship and modern firepower as well as their standards, create a dazzling spectacle as they march in tight formation. Sunlight dances off of the standards and reflects them into their armor; proof that even the sun recognizes their dedication to the Empire. Each Imperial Knight a perfect blend of tradition and technology, their rhythmic footsteps echoing in unison, creating a symphony of strength as they progress.

On the other hand, the Brotherhood's Assassins are the embodiment of stealth and shadows. Clad in robes that seem to consume the very light, they remain hidden from prying eyes. Only their sharp, watchful eyes are visible, and within their garments lie sharp knives and tools, ready for swift, deadly action. Their movements are an elegant ballet of silence, their steps like whispers on the cobblestone avenue.

Together, these two unlikely allies march in unified purpose, defying all expectations as they march past the grand Delphinium Palace.

As the Imperial Knights and the Assassins continue their march down the grand avenue, past the Delphinium Palace and towards Magna Aurea, they catch a glimpse of the happenings inside the Delphinium Palace, where the Vampire King, Valtarre, watches the parade, his regal presence hidden from the crowd. Inside, The Ever-Wanderer engages in a lighthearted conversation with the Emperor of Kantrias, Arran Drake Quilor, while the Arch-Chancellor, Ammar, reflects on the lengthy drafting process that has finally concluded.

From the parade below to the intrigue within the palace, the scene embodies a complex tapestry of politics, power, and hidden agendas, all set against the backdrop of the grand Delphinium Palace. It is a moment where the Imperial Knights and the Assassins glimpse the inner workings of the wider world; a world where shadows conceal as much as they reveal.

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Preamble

WHEREAS The Empire of Kantrias (“Kantrias”) and the Brotherhood of Malice (“Malice”), hereby referred to as “the Signatories”, have endeavoured to develop political systems based upon the ideologies of Imperialism and Raider Unity, respectively;

WHEREAS the Signatories have both conducted offensive military operations since their conception;

WHEREAS the Signatories, being established and historic regions, possess an inherent inclination to converge due to the shared trials and adversities they have experienced and overcome;

NOW, THEREFORE, the Signatories agree to the following:

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Section One - Ideological Harmony

Imperialism Defined (Authored by Kantrias)
Imperialism is an ideology of primacy in power. As an Imperialist region, Kantrias believes in the superiority of our culture, policy, and governance. It is our ideological mandate to expand the breadth of our control, so that those nations in lesser regions may be brought into the fold of Kantrian glory. Where others would try to impede our progress and oppose our ascension, we must prove our strength, whether in the halls of diplomacy or the fields of battle. Conversely, where others accept the strength of our ideals, they shall be recognized as an ally of the cause and embraced as kin.

Our relations, our endeavours, our policy, all strive to further the strength of our ideology. Through Imperialism, we are dedicated to an eternal future of Kantrian exceptionalism.

The Three Tenets of Malice (Authored by Malice)
The Brotherhood of Malice adheres strictly to the doctrine of Raider Unity - no raider region should attack another or act in opposition to their operations. Unity states neither more nor less; raiders are encouraged to assist one another, but Unity itself does not mandate that. Adherents are free to decide for themselves how to handle policy beyond that, and it is within that granted space that Malice has established three infamous tenets to guide our blades:

• Raider Unity
• Maintain a Governor
• Sign a Treaty

Through this credo, we devote ourselves to Raider Unity, acknowledge the mechanical truth that an effective Governor prevents permanent regional damage, and allow parties to form a binding pact to stay our blades. The essence of this doctrine, however, lies in the shadows of omission: any region which does not meet these rules is a valid target for destruction. The existence of a region inherently justifies its raidability, and only by securing a specific exemption may a region be spared from Malice.

An Alignment of Interests (In Agreement)
While distinct in their goals, the ideologies of Kantrias and Malice have plentiful common ground. Both Imperialism and Raiding recognize the power of military force, particularly in the era of Frontiers - where, for the first time, there is a mechanical incentive for a thriving region to be conquerable, where leading powers are incentivized to leave portions of their territories vulnerable, and where conquest of those realms without necessarily destroying them can yield long-term material benefits.

Where Malice wishes to raid, Kantrias’ aid serves to further their reputation and exercise their forces. Where Kantrias wishes to expand their control, demonstrate their prowess, or crush an enemy, Malice is glad to have an excuse to deploy their knives. In this way, both regions benefit from deploying alongside each other.

In politics, Kantrias and Malice have both grown weary beyond measure at the machinations of defenders and those false independents and supposed imperialists who’ve foolishly bound themselves to the defender ideology. We are in agreement with regards to the rejection of their desired leash, and find a common enemy therein.

We need not ever act in lockstep, but broadly, we have determined that our ideologies can find common ground - that Malice sees value in aiding the Empire's imperial mandate, and that Kantrias sees value in exchanging the currency of iron and blood at the Brotherhood’s side.

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Section Two - Points and Particulars

Article I - Sovereignty

1. Malice will recognize only the current government and any successor government as dictated by the Crown as the only legitimate government of Kantrias and Her Protectorates.
2. Kantrias will recognize The Overseer as the origin point of all legitimate power in Malice, as expressed through the players of Venico and Valtarre, styled respectively as the Right and Left Hands of The Overseer.
3. Neither Signatory may cede sovereign control of their region to another entity.
   1. Should either Signatory merge into, cede their decision-making to, or otherwise surrender their sovereignty to a third party, it will not be considered a successor government and this document will be null and void.

Article II - Military Cooperation

1. The Signatories will not engage in military aggression against each other.
   1. The Signatories will not engage in military aggression against each other’s Protectorates, defined as regions owned by or in fealty to a Signatory.
   2. The Signatories will not engage in military aggression-by-proxy through the usage of their Protectorates as established by their respective regional laws and/or as communicated to the other Signatory.
   3. The Signatories will communicate their lists of Protectorates to each other as to continue clear and concise communication.
2. In the spirit of having aligned interests, the Signatories recognize that;
   1. The Signatories shall earnestly aid each others’ military endeavours, to the fullest extent allowed by their respective ideologies, internal processes, laws, agreements, prior commitments, and policy.
   2. The Signatories will endeavour to invite each other to training opportunities in all aspects of Raider and Imperialist gameplay.
3. The Signatories will - so long as it is consistent with the Signatories laws, policies, availability and so long as no other reasonable reason exists not to - aid each other in support of transferring their delegacy as requested.

Article III - Espionage

1. The Signatories each shall provide intelligence information to the other if such information is pertinent to the other region’s security or cohesion, or otherwise upon the other’s reasonable request.
   
   1. The Signatories shall endeavour to reveal as much as possible in such situations, but not more than they can under laws, terms of service, or the need to protect sources.
2. The Signatories each shall not engage in espionage, infiltration, subversion, sabotage, or conduct any other such hostile act or intelligence-gathering against the other Signatory.

Article IV - World Assembly

1. Each Signatory will, upon request, support one another in their World Assembly legislative efforts, and with legislation that affects their region(s), members, or military operations.
   
   1. Where requested support would be incompatible with a signatory’s ideology, internal processes, laws, agreements, prior commitments, or policy, abstaining from the vote is considered an act of support.

Article V - Embassies

1. Each Signatory shall establish and maintain in-game embassies (i.e. on NationStates) with one another.
2. Each Signatory shall maintain off-site embassies with one another, consistent with the facilities given to other treaty allies.
   
   1. Off-site embassies may be established on a Signatory’s regional forums, regional Discord server, or in any other manner the hosting Signatory provides.

Article VI - Culture

1. Each Signatory will endeavour, where appropriate and possible, to engage in social and cultural activities with the other Signatory.
2. Each Signatory will endeavour to, where possible, visit each other on their platforms both on- and off-site.
   
   1. Each Signatory is expected to extend due courtesy - be it in the shape of recognition, honour due or through official designation, to members of each Signatory visiting the other.

Article VII - Termination

1. Termination of this Treaty shall not be seen as an act of war or hostility.
   
   1. Actions from either Signatory post-termination may be seen as acts of hostility.
2. Either Signatory reserves the right to exit the Treaty.
   
   1. Reasonable efforts to notify the other Signatory must be made by the Signatory terminating the Treaty.

Article VIII - General Provisions

1. This Treaty will come into force on the date of ratification by both Signatories as dictated by their respective legislative procedures.
2. Upon ratification, this Treaty shall be the one and only bilateral Treaty between the Signatories, superseding any and all prior written text describing the relationship between the Signatories.
3. If the official name of either of the Signatories changes after ratification of the Treaty, this document shall be changed to reflect the new official name of the Signatory.
   
   1. The Signatory that changed the official name has to inform the other Signatory of this within seven (7) days of the official name changing.

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Signatories

The Empire of Kantrias
Emperor Arran Drake Quilor
Arch-Chancellor Ghazi-Rahman Ammar ibn Rigel Al-Asteorra
Advisor to the Arch-Chancellor Caldemar Leutria Quilor

The Brotherhood of Malice
Valtarre the Vampire King, Left Hand of the Overseer
Venico the Night Father, Right Hand of the Overseer
Raxion, High Priest of Chaos
Malicious Souls, the Ever-Wanderer

[Aynia Moreaux]

Treaties. Treaties everywhere o.o


Congratulations!!!!

[Unibot III]

A fascinating document, I liked the preamble. It’s so strange for an old timer to see regions like Kantrias have such history of their own now, when I remember its earliest days with CQ.

Through this credo, we devote ourselves to Raider Unity, acknowledge the mechanical truth that an effective Governor prevents permanent regional damage, and allow parties to form a binding pact to stay our blades. The essence of this doctrine, however, lies in the shadows of omission: any region which does not meet these rules is a valid target for destruction. The existence of a region inherently justifies its raidability, and only by securing a specific exemption may a region be spared from Malice.

I would expect a little water to be poured in the wine when these axioms are typed up for the Communist Bloc statement next week.

[Valinka]

A fascinating document, I liked the preamble. It’s so strange for an old timer to see regions like Kantrias have such history of their own now, when I remember its earliest days with CQ.

Through this credo, we devote ourselves to Raider Unity, acknowledge the mechanical truth that an effective Governor prevents permanent regional damage, and allow parties to form a binding pact to stay our blades. The essence of this doctrine, however, lies in the shadows of omission: any region which does not meet these rules is a valid target for destruction. The existence of a region inherently justifies its raidability, and only by securing a specific exemption may a region be spared from Malice.

I would expect a little water to be poured in the wine when these axioms are typed up for the Communist Bloc statement next week.

? We already have a Treaty with Malice. It was one of the first ones they signed when they returned.

[Terra Inferiori Reliquere]

A fascinating document, I liked the preamble. It’s so strange for an old timer to see regions like Kantrias have such history of their own now, when I remember its earliest days with CQ.

-snip-

I would expect a little water to be poured in the wine when these axioms are typed up for the Communist Bloc statement next week.

I am certain that when you were around in 'the earliest days' of Kantrias, you might have called her by that name. However, years ago she had already come out as Kylia Quilor. Then again, you were never a part of Kantrias and as a result of that do not posess any first-hand knowledge. Refrain from deadnaming my grandmother please.

[Sedgistan]

Cerian Quilor was still posting on that nation until June 2017, the same time that Kylia Quilor was founded. Unibot's mainstream GP involvement ended by late 2015 when he was banned from TRR.

Expecting people not to use a former name has merit in real world personal cases, but this is a nation simulator, and your region still has the nation Cerian Quilor as both founder of the region and OP of this thread. Given those circumstances, expecting people not to use that name is unreasonable, particularly when referring to historical times when that was their primary identity; it's equivalent to using old RL nation/place names like "Siam" or "Bombay" in a historical context.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

While somewhat missable when sandwiched between RP and bullets, I think the sections on imperialist ideology, raider ideology, and their overlap are an interesting read, especially for anyone uncertain about such things.

[Devious]

Cerian Quilor was still posting on that nation until June 2017, the same time that Kylia Quilor was founded. Unibot's mainstream GP involvement ended by late 2015 when he was banned from TRR.

Expecting people not to use a former name has merit in real world personal cases, but this is a nation simulator, and your region still has the nation Cerian Quilor as both founder of the region and OP of this thread. Given those circumstances, expecting people not to use that name is unreasonable, particularly when referring to historical times when that was their primary identity; it's equivalent to using old RL nation/place names like "Siam" or "Bombay" in a historical context.

the difference being that "siam" and "bombay" aren't also identities tied to a specific person. ultimately while this is a nation simulator, it's played by living breathing human beings, and it's pretty clear that unibot wasn't referring to """specifically the nation cerian quilor, divorced from the concept of the player itself""", but rather kylia, the individual.
so yes, expecting people not to use a former name does have merit in that context, which is why a request to stop was made

[Sedgistan]

Cerian Quilor was still posting on that nation until June 2017, the same time that Kylia Quilor was founded. Unibot's mainstream GP involvement ended by late 2015 when he was banned from TRR.

Expecting people not to use a former name has merit in real world personal cases, but this is a nation simulator, and your region still has the nation Cerian Quilor as both founder of the region and OP of this thread. Given those circumstances, expecting people not to use that name is unreasonable, particularly when referring to historical times when that was their primary identity; it's equivalent to using old RL nation/place names like "Siam" or "Bombay" in a historical context.

the difference being that "siam" and "bombay" aren't also identities tied to a specific person. ultimately while this is a nation simulator, it's played by living breathing human beings, and it's pretty clear that unibot wasn't referring to """specifically the nation cerian quilor, divorced from the concept of the player itself""", but rather kylia, the individual.
so yes, expecting people not to use a former name does have merit in that context, which is why a request to stop was made

I get what you're saying, but if Francos Spain's recent return had actually been to come out as trans under a new name, I think people would struggle with not referring to the 2003 coup as by Francos Spain.

Sidenote: Aav advised me that phrasing the first sentence of my previous post "Kylia Quilor was posting on Cerian Quilor until June 2017" would have been better, which I accept is a fair point.

[Frattastan II]

Cerian Quilor was still posting on that nation until June 2017, the same time that Kylia Quilor was founded. Unibot's mainstream GP involvement ended by late 2015 when he was banned from TRR.

Expecting people not to use a former name has merit in real world personal cases, but this is a nation simulator, and your region still has the nation Cerian Quilor as both founder of the region and OP of this thread. Given those circumstances, expecting people not to use that name is unreasonable, particularly when referring to historical times when that was their primary identity; it's equivalent to using old RL nation/place names like "Siam" or "Bombay" in a historical context.

These are two different arguments.

(1) Unibot wouldn't know or couldn't be expected to remember because their interactions with the player are from before 2017, or because it's been several years since their name came up. I think that's fair, hence why no malicious intent should be assumed in Unibot's post.

(2) Generally speaking, referring to the player as "Cerian Quilor" would be acceptable for pre-2017 events. That would be pretty suspect, imo. If I knew that the name change was a personally sensitive matter, but I insisted on using it in reference to past events ("I remember talking to Cerian and [incorrect pronoun] told me ...") even after being corrected on the circumstances of the name change, it may really raise doubts that I'm just flamebaiting them rather than being a stickler for accuracy. The Francos example might work in your favour but it's difficult to judge given the disproportionate fame that one name has compared to the other.

[Dakota]

Cerian Quilor was still posting on that nation until June 2017, the same time that Kylia Quilor was founded. Unibot's mainstream GP involvement ended by late 2015 when he was banned from TRR.

Expecting people not to use a former name has merit in real world personal cases, but this is a nation simulator, and your region still has the nation Cerian Quilor as both founder of the region and OP of this thread. Given those circumstances, expecting people not to use that name is unreasonable, particularly when referring to historical times when that was their primary identity; it's equivalent to using old RL nation/place names like "Siam" or "Bombay" in a historical context.

Was there a moderator report or did you just feel the need to jump in to support deadnaming? Skar asked they don't deadname her, matter could have been settled. Trying to justify why you can deadname players isn't shocking coming from you though.

[Sedgistan]

These are two different arguments.

I am allowed more than one

Your example in the second runs into a Moderation aspect given the incorrect pronoun, which obviously changes things. Anyhow, 1 was my main point - and which I don't think people dispute. 2 was more of an aside - and there are cases where referring to historical actions by nations would become confusing when not using the nation's name at the time, as you acknowledge with the Francos Spain hypothetical. The OP / founder situation meant there was an element of that here, though the OP has obviously now been changed.