The Empire of Kantrias | FA Update 29th of February Edition

[Honeydewistania]

Bro malice and kantrias even RHYME and y’all still pretending

Wait so, because our names rhyme we are pretending?

Lmao. I can't.

Actually, you can.

[Free Algerstonia]

"brotherhood of malice" and "kingdom of kantrias" both have 3 words and follow the same naming style, this is no coincidence

[Andusre]

I love that this statement went from “they accused us of being BoM bootlickers” to Koth showing up to defend and argue for Kantrias and thereby proving all of our points himself in under 2 seconds

Europeia repealed a treaty almost entirely based on bullshit narratives about my region. The first post after the statement continued to invoke BoM. And you're wondering why I posted? They teach critical thinking in like 2nd grade.

They also teach basic manners from long before you go to school - or at least they ought to.

Always nice to see Europeia knows who has its back and who does not.

[Writinglegend]

These people are getting strangely obsessed with this isolation campaign, based on bullshit narratives.

Cry me a river. Europeia is the one strangely obsessed with this isolation campaign, when you and your pals wrote multiple op reports exclusively about Europeia and the ERN over a period of several days? Let's not get it twisted - you spent hours of your time throwing garbage baits on this very forum to try and extract a response from our leadership. Now we respond, and your answer is to curl up and point the finger the other way?

As to the statement from Kantrias, there are a few things missing that are important for this situation. First, Europeia attempted to reach out to the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Kantrias (Skar) prior to our decision to terminate the treaty. Skar opted to ignore this communication, but was more than happy to post in our Discord server during that period of time. It makes it more ironic to see complaints that I ignored communications from Skar, when the agreement was already repealed and your last message was of "disappointment". I had nothing more to say to you. Your Minister of Foreign Affairs, on the other hand, opted to ignore vital communication that could have possibly saved the agreement.

Additionally, the comments from your Minister of Foreign Affairs requesting we be "less fierce" in Gameplay aligns with the Statement on Current Events that Kantrias posted, where you expressed concerns of "democratic regions" acting in an uncooperative and hostile way and employing "kindergarten like behavior". What regions (plural, as mentioned in the statement) were Kantrias concerned by? I am interested in hearing an official response from the government of Kantrias naming the specific regions this statement was directed at.

Skar opted to make public comments in our discord server about the repeal when it occured. Among these comments, chiefly, were that they had "no idea" what BoM talking points were. This went in direct contradiction to our private communications with Skar, who admitted to our Minister of Foreign Affairs that they had been in "direct communication" with an individual familiar with BoM over the situation in Stargate. Furthermore, it went in direct contradiction to what your Prime Minister stated in an election debate the following week after the treaty repeal. Their Prime Minister stated, and I quote, "We are pursuing tighter relations with the Brotherhood of Malice...at least that was something being done by Skar during his tenure." While we were not surprised by these comments, it was highly ironic considering a Councilor of Kantrias and a member of the Kantrias Army stated in our Discord server that "Kantrias rarely interacts with BoM." From all accounts, that is simply untrue. Not surprising though, considering Skar has stated in the Kantrias Discord server, "Raider Supremacy! Raider Unity!"

It is clear that Kantrias wanted their cake and to eat it too. Your private reassurances mentioned in the statement did not align with your public comments, nor your policy trajectory regarding the Brotherhood of Malice and other raider unity cheerleaders.

[PhDre]

A candidate in the Kantrias PM debate argued that Kantrias shouldn't (I am paraphrasing) get too close to BoM because it would "prove Europeia right" while the incumbent PM declared that Kantrias is "pursuing tighter relations with the Brotherhood of Malice...at least that was something being done by Skar during his tenure."

Now Koth comes in to articulate that Kantrias "has our endos whenever they ask for them."

[Reventus Koth]

Europeia repealed a treaty almost entirely based on bullshit narratives about my region. The first post after the statement continued to invoke BoM. And you're wondering why I posted? They teach critical thinking in like 2nd grade.

They also teach basic manners from long before you go to school - or at least they ought to.

Oh how silly of me, Andy. I should have remembered that it's rude to defend one's self when they're being targeted by the people you like. The polite thing to do would be to roll over and take it.

These people are getting strangely obsessed with this isolation campaign, based on bullshit narratives.

Cry me a river. Europeia is the one strangely obsessed with this isolation campaign, when you and your pals wrote multiple op reports exclusively about Europeia and the ERN over a period of several days? Let's not get it twisted - you spent hours of your time throwing garbage baits on this very forum to try and extract a response from our leadership. Now we respond, and your answer is to curl up and point the finger the other way?

Ah, so Operation Sinking Ship finally earns your public attention, months after its conclusion and long after any sort of interaction between our regions. Europeia came out of the gate with hostility against BoM, retagging our hits and slamming the door in our diplomat's face when we tried to talk about it. So we undid your damage on the field, made some posts about it, and called it even. That Europeia decided to take a fucking blood oath against us for all time over it is more a reflection on your leadership than ours. Europeia opened and continued hostilities against us long after we stood up to their aggression, including perpetuating a false narrative that we had agents in the LKE. Go look in a mirror, President, if you're looking for what obsession looks like.

Now Koth comes in to articulate that Kantrias "has our endos whenever they ask for them."

BoM are raiders. If any raiders in good standing want our help on ops, all they need to do is ask. It's not rocket science, and it's not specific to Kantrias.

[Quebecshire]

They also teach basic manners from long before you go to school - or at least they ought to.

Oh how silly of me, Andy. I should have remembered that it's rude to defend one's self when they're being targeted by the people you like. The polite thing to do would be to roll over and take it.

There’s a reason Andy has a badge and you don’t. I’ll leave the rest to the Europeians, since they seem to be putting your narrative six feet under, with receipts.

[Evil Mother]

I love that this statement went from “they accused us of being BoM bootlickers” to Koth showing up to defend and argue for Kantrias and thereby proving all of our points himself in under 2 seconds

Europeia repealed a treaty almost entirely based on bullshit narratives about my region. The first post after the statement continued to invoke BoM. And you're wondering why I posted? They teach critical thinking in like 2nd grade.

Oh believe me, no one is questioning why you posted, the above posts quite beautifully illustrate why you actually did. In the mean time I would ask you stop insulting my intellect for literally no reason, although I guess it serves as a good illustration of how BoM chooses to fight their wars.

[Reventus Koth]

I guess it serves as a good illustration of how BoM chooses to fight their wars.

I'd prefer to fight my battles on the field. I've been consistently dragged into these threads not out of desire, but because your region holds a massive grudge over some month old tags that spills over into its foreign affairs with other regions.

[Yupsie]

Cry me a river. Europeia is the one strangely obsessed with this isolation campaign, when you and your pals wrote multiple op reports exclusively about Europeia and the ERN over a period of several days? Let's not get it twisted - you spent hours of your time throwing garbage baits on this very forum to try and extract a response from our leadership. Now we respond, and your answer is to curl up and point the finger the other way?

Ah, so Operation Sinking Ship finally earns your public attention, months after its conclusion and long after any sort of interaction between our regions. Europeia came out of the gate with hostility against BoM, retagging our hits and slamming the door in our diplomat's face when we tried to talk about it. So we undid your damage on the field, made some posts about it, and called it even. That Europeia decided to take a fucking blood oath against us for all time over it is more a reflection on your leadership than ours. Europeia opened and continued hostilities against us long after we stood up to their aggression, including perpetuating a false narrative that we had agents in the LKE. Go look in a mirror, President, if you're looking for what obsession looks like.

You missed the part where your first(?) act when pulling BoM out of history's garbage bin was to tag TNP's (old) and TEP's jump points...

Now Koth comes in to articulate that Kantrias "has our endos whenever they ask for them."

BoM are raiders. If any raiders in good standing want our help on ops, all they need to do is ask. It's not rocket science, and it's not specific to Kantrias.

Cool, now respond to the rest of Dre's post.

[New King Isles]

I love that this statement went from “they accused us of being BoM bootlickers” to Koth showing up to defend and argue for Kantrias and thereby proving all of our points himself in under 2 seconds

Do you not Understand that Raiders will Back Other Raiders?

Also, Anyone who says "BoM is Influencing Kantrias" are Lying. It's Utter Bullshit

[Evil Mother]

I guess it serves as a good illustration of how BoM chooses to fight their wars.

I'd prefer to fight my battles on the field. I've been consistently dragged into these threads not out of desire, but because your region holds a massive grudge over some month old tags that spills over into its foreign affairs with other regions.

No one is going to fall for you playing the victim, Koth. No one forced you to insult me and no one forced you to take these "month old tags" and write entire op reports about Euro and literally put them on the forums. I am sorry that you have to deal with the consequences of your actions now. Again, no one forced you to interact with us, it is your choice to do so.

[Andusre]

I love that this statement went from “they accused us of being BoM bootlickers” to Koth showing up to defend and argue for Kantrias and thereby proving all of our points himself in under 2 seconds

Do you not Understand that Raiders will Back Other Raiders?

Do you not Understand that Kantrias is a signatory of the Independent Manifesto, and thus is not raider at all?

[New King Isles]

I'd prefer to fight my battles on the field. I've been consistently dragged into these threads not out of desire, but because your region holds a massive grudge over some month old tags that spills over into its foreign affairs with other regions.

No one is going to fall for you playing the victim, Koth, no one forced you to insult me and no one forced you to take these "month old tags" and write entire op reports about Euro and literally put them on the forums. I am sorry that you have to deal with the consequences of your actions now. Again, no one forced you to interact with us, it is your choice to do so.

Koth Isn't "Playing The Victim" He's Simply Stating the Obvious fact that Euro Holds A grudge Against Malice. And he's right.

[Reventus Koth]

You missed the part where your first(?) act when pulling BoM out of history's garbage bin was to tag TNP's (old) and TEP's jump points...

Because that's irrelevant? They're jump points, so ephemeral that neither of those regions are the current jump points of the regions you mentioned, neither of which are Europeia.

Cool, now respond to the rest of Dre's post.

Why would I? The rest of that stuff are internal Kantrias matters that I have no insight for you on.

No one is going to fall for you playing the victim, Koth. No one forced you to insult me and no one forced you to take these "month old tags" and write entire op reports about Euro and literally put them on the forums. I am sorry that you have to deal with the consequences of your actions now. Again, no one forced you to interact with us, it is your choice to do so.

The tags and reports were the consequence of ERN's actions. We could keep going in circles all day if you want, but it seems like a pointless waste of both of our times.

[New King Isles]

Do you not Understand that Raiders will Back Other Raiders?

Do you not Understand that Kantrias is a signatory of the Independent Manifesto, and thus is not raider at all?

When was I talking to you?

[Altys]

Do you not Understand that Kantrias is a signatory of the Independent Manifesto, and thus is not raider at all?

When was I talking to you?

The arrogance shows. Is that all you can say? The fact that you are "talking" to someone else does not change Andy's message.

[The Sygian]

Do you not Understand that Raiders will Back Other Raiders?

Do you not Understand that Kantrias is a signatory of the Independent Manifesto, and thus is not raider at all?

Ah yes, the same manifesto signed by Europeia, which states that "an Independent region’s diplomacy is not guided by dogmatism".

Edit: And that "other parties will acknowledge and respect the Independent region’s freedom to act in any capacity its self-interests dictate".

Hold up your end of the bargain... will ya?

[Terra Inferiori Reliquere]

These people are getting strangely obsessed with this isolation campaign, based on bullshit narratives.

Cry me a river. Europeia is the one strangely obsessed with this isolation campaign, when you and your pals wrote multiple op reports exclusively about Europeia and the ERN over a period of several days? Let's not get it twisted - you spent hours of your time throwing garbage baits on this very forum to try and extract a response from our leadership. Now we respond, and your answer is to curl up and point the finger the other way?

As to the statement from Kantrias, there are a few things missing that are important for this situation. First, Europeia attempted to reach out to the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Kantrias (Skar) prior to our decision to terminate the treaty. Skar opted to ignore this communication, but was more than happy to post in our Discord server during that period of time. It makes it more ironic to see complaints that I ignored communications from Skar, when the agreement was already repealed and your last message was of "disappointment". I had nothing more to say to you. Your Minister of Foreign Affairs, on the other hand, opted to ignore vital communication that could have possibly saved the agreement.

Additionally, the comments from your Minister of Foreign Affairs requesting we be "less fierce" in Gameplay aligns with the Statement on Current Events that Kantrias posted, where you expressed concerns of "democratic regions" acting in an uncooperative and hostile way and employing "kindergarten like behavior". What regions (plural, as mentioned in the statement) were Kantrias concerned by? I am interested in hearing an official response from the government of Kantrias naming the specific regions this statement was directed at.

Skar opted to make public comments in our discord server about the repeal when it occured. Among these comments, chiefly, were that they had "no idea" what BoM talking points were. This went in direct contradiction to our private communications with Skar, who admitted to our Minister of Foreign Affairs that they had been in "direct communication" with an individual familiar with BoM over the situation in Stargate. Furthermore, it went in direct contradiction to what your Prime Minister stated in an election debate the following week after the treaty repeal. Their Prime Minister stated, and I quote, "We are pursuing tighter relations with the Brotherhood of Malice...at least that was something being done by Skar during his tenure." While we were not surprised by these comments, it was highly ironic considering a Councilor of Kantrias and a member of the Kantrias Army stated in our Discord server that "Kantrias rarely interacts with BoM." From all accounts, that is simply untrue. Not surprising though, considering Skar has stated in the Kantrias Discord server, "Raider Supremacy! Raider Unity!"

It is clear that Kantrias wanted their cake and to eat it too. Your private reassurances mentioned in the statement did not align with your public comments, nor your policy trajectory regarding the Brotherhood of Malice and other raider unity cheerleaders.

This piece of 'vital communication' was your Minister of Foreign Affairs replying to my private message where I clearly stated that "Termination was chosen by the legislature, a democratic choice. I hope you won’t hold following our democratic processes against us, and I hope you will see that this is in no way a hostile act. I hope you are well, and hope to hear back from you soon." After I sent this, I had to wait three days for a reply which was a statement rather than anything looking like a question. Your Minister of Foreign Affairs basically told me the exact same thing you said in your statement on the Europeian forums, and looked eerily like rhetoric Quebecshire has been saying here as well.

Two days later you yourself informed me that Europeia was going to repeal the Treaty of Quilor. In a statement.

To summarize. This is what I received:
The message from the Europeian Minister of Foreign Affairs: https://i.imgur.com/EGDjn5N.png
The statement from the Europeian President: https://i.imgur.com/8uxXrTY.png

So... where in these two messages I received from Europeia, have I ignored vital information that could save this treaty? Before you start complaining that I am showing screenshots of DM's, you brought it up, thus it is official. I have scoured the Kantrian forums, and haven't found any notifications/messages/statements containing 'vital information' from the Europeian government there either. Not in the Europeian embassy, or anywhere else.

For answers to the questions and remarks made in the screenshots, go back to page 5 of this thread and read our statements.

As to point you are bringing up about me talking to someone who is familiar with BoM, here you go: https://i.imgur.com/HYGgX8Z.png

For context; the Europeian Minister of Foreign Affairs and I were talking about what had happened between Europeia and BoM, because at that point I literally had no idea what the beef was about other than the situation with LKE. Their Minister explained to me about Stargate, and how they were a protectorate of TNP, and that BoM would raid Stargate.

While we were not surprised by these comments, it was highly ironic considering a Councilor of Kantrias and a member of the Kantrias Army stated in our Discord server that "Kantrias rarely interacts with BoM." From all accounts, that is simply untrue.

The last operations we have partaken in were undertaken in February 2022, and since then the RKA has been inactive. As Minister of Foreign Affairs I am a diplomat in BoM, to check them out and see what the fuss is about. Simply being there shouldn't be a reason for you to insinuate our Councilor of the Delphinium Council and member of the Royal Kantrian Army was not speaking the truth.

Not surprising though, considering Skar has stated in the Kantrias Discord server, "Raider Supremacy! Raider Unity!"

So, what? You are holding me accountable for a personal opinion of mine on Raider Unity? Supremacy even? I thought this was the Embassy of Kantrias, not the Embassy of Skar Quilor / Terra Inferiori Reliquere.

It is clear that Kantrias wanted their cake and to eat it too.

We do like cake .

A candidate in the Kantrias PM debate argued that Kantrias shouldn't (I am paraphrasing) get too close to BoM because it would "prove Europeia right" while the incumbent PM declared that Kantrias is "pursuing tighter relations with the Brotherhood of Malice...at least that was something being done by Skar during his tenure."

Now Koth comes in to articulate that Kantrias "has our endos whenever they ask for them."

The current Lady Chancellor - the one you quote as follows '-Kantrias shouldn't get too close to BoM because it would prove Europeia right.' has not taken a specific stance towards BoM and decided to be cautious. The one you quoted to have said that I am pursuing tighter relations with the BoM, has left Kantrias for a unspecified time.

Cool, now respond to the rest of Dre's post.

Why would I? The rest of that stuff are internal Kantrias matters that I have no insight for you on.

I appreciate this, Koth. Thank you. I covered the concerns above.

-I’ll leave the rest to the Europeians, since they seem to be putting your narrative six feet under, with receipts.

So do I, and I actually show them.

-

As to all of the other posts here that do not involve Kantrias, I do not have much to say. I wasn't involved, and I still do not fully understand what it is that happened between Europeia and BoM.

[Zukchiva]

Because that's irrelevant? They're jump points, so ephemeral that neither of those regions are the current jump points of the regions you mentioned, neither of which are Europeia.

Apologies for joining the dog-pile but I must contest this point. While Frozen Circle itself is no longer in use, the East Pacific certainly cared (and still absolutely cares) that Frozen Circle was raided. Although to be fair, probably what was more important was BoM's dismissive behavior towards TEPers whenever they raised their concerns within that thread. Eitherway, the raid's effects were certainly not ephemeral - at least, not to TEP or its allies and friends.

May have been unimportant to BoM & raiders in general, in which case fair enough, but wasn't clear from your post.

Apologies to Kantrias for this slight thread jack I'm making. To remain on-point, as a bystander I've always been impressed with how close Europeia and Kantrias were and it saddens me to see this treaty being repealed. However, I think - in light of President Writinglegend's recent post - that Europeia's repeal of the treaty was fully justified as Europeia was simply acting in its regional interests as expected of an Independent region. I do hope this relationship can be repaired in the future, though. Either way, good luck to Kantrias and Europeia in their steps forward from here.

[New King Isles]

When was I talking to you?

The arrogance shows. Is that all you can say? The fact that you are "talking" to someone else does not change Andy's message.

when did I ask?

[Terra Inferiori Reliquere]

Apologies to Kantrias for this slight thread jack I'm making. To remain on-point, as a bystander I've always been impressed with how close Europeia and Kantrias were and it saddens me to see this treaty being repealed. However, I think - in light of President Writinglegend's recent post - that Europeia's repeal of the treaty was fully justified as Europeia was simply acting in its regional interests as expected of an Independent region. I do hope this relationship can be repaired in the future, though. Either way, good luck to Kantrias and Europeia in their steps forward from here.

We too are fully justified in our actions.

Thank you, Zukchiva. Your kind words are appreciated.

[Yupsie]

Do you not Understand that Kantrias is a signatory of the Independent Manifesto, and thus is not raider at all?

Ah yes, the same manifesto signed by Europeia, which states that "an Independent region’s diplomacy is not guided by dogmatism".

Edit: And that "other parties will acknowledge and respect the Independent region’s freedom to act in any capacity its self-interests dictate".

Hold up your end of the bargain... will ya?

I would love some clarification about how Europeia's actions have not been in accordance with Independent ideology or have been guided by dogmatism.

(Speaking only as myself, not a representative of Europeia blah blah...)

Kantrias is absolutely allowed to foster relations with BoM or any other region that they see fit. Their actions are and should be dictated by their self-interests. Europeia gets the same right though, and if Euro decides that is is not in its best interests to maintain relations with friends of the Brotherhood of Malice, who are you to suggest that this is somehow an inappropriate application of Independence?

[Altys]

The arrogance shows. Is that all you can say? The fact that you are "talking" to someone else does not change Andy's message.

Does it look like I give a shit? And also, when did I ask?

Truly you don't care seeing as you're answering me to say this simple thing.

Edit: they edited their message while I was typing, you love to see it.

This piece of 'vital communication' was your Minister of Foreign Affairs replying to my private message where I clearly stated that "Termination was chosen by the legislature, a democratic choice. I hope you won’t hold following our democratic processes against us

Why should one not hold against a region its democratic choices, which, by definition, were made in the name of its people? Genuine question here.

[Reventus Koth]

Because that's irrelevant? They're jump points, so ephemeral that neither of those regions are the current jump points of the regions you mentioned, neither of which are Europeia.

Apologies for joining the dog-pile but I must contest this point. While Frozen Circle itself is no longer in use, the East Pacific certainly cared (and still absolutely cares) that Frozen Circle was raided. Although to be fair, probably what was more important was BoM's dismissive behavior towards TEPers whenever they raised their concerns within that thread. Eitherway, the raid's effects were certainly not ephemeral - at least, not to TEP or its allies and friends.

May have been unimportant to BoM & raiders in general, in which case fair enough, but wasn't clear from your post.

No worries about throwing your hat in the ring, Zuk. You're much less of a headache to deal with

It was made clear basically from Day 1 to us that not everyone was going to respect our target selection criteria, and it's fair game that our commitment to the policy (Raider Unity, Maintain a Founder, Sign a Treaty) wasn't immediately met by TEP with a desire to fit into one of those buckets. TEP's response to the situation was understandable in the grand scheme of diplomacy. I don't really recall any side being dismissive of the other, as much as both sides very quickly understanding that their policies were incompatible and had no interest in wasting time trying to negotiate the non-negotiable. TEP wasn't willing to sign a treaty (though Frozen Circle did have its founder return, rendering the point moot), and BoM wasn't willing to grant an exemption with no basis.

I'd hoped by now that the lack of any other hostilities or military engagements would have spoken louder than a short disagreement in January when we were just getting on our feet, but if it needs to be said explicitly, BoM has no problem with TEP, and we'd be glad to work with them whenever.

More on topic: If Europeia ever interpreted a tag on a founderless jump point as an act of aggression against them or their interests, it would have been something to discuss when we attempted to open relations with them.