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Statement from the Allied States Regarding Europeia

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Statement from The Allied States regarding recent events
January 21, 2017

In the last couple of days, The Allied States has been broadly condemned and accused of a number of things, and will no longer continue to host the NationStates World Fair as a result. We feel that it is only right, and fair, that we address the things that have been said about us, and present our version of the story. We do not claim to be blameless by any stretch of the imagination, but we feel the scale and ferocity of response was vastly disproportionate to the offense. This will likely be the last comment the Government of The Allied States makes on this matter.

A Brief Timeline of Events
- Britarvia, the founder of our region, made some jokes in poor taste in our private discord server. He was reprimanded by our moderators, and instructed not to do anything.
- Britarvia, at some point roughly a week later, with no warning nor knowledge of the rest of the region sent a single, unacceptable telegram to Brunhilde the Foreign Affairs Minister of Europeia. In this irresponsible and unjustifiable telegram, he said “Heil Hotler” [sic] and “Drink Bleach”. Britarvia was acting without authorisation from The Allied States, in his capacity as a private individual.
- Europeia, with whom TAS held an accord of friendship, and who was well aware that under the legal structure of TAS the founder does not represent the region, posted a statement in their embassy. In this statement they go beyond the actions of Britarvia, and make accusations of rampant homophobia and racism. They did not contact TAS at any point before making this statement to make us aware of the actions of Britarvia, nor did they make any attempt at a diplomatic resolution. Instead, they announced a general boycott of the NSWF if TAS was the host.
- A number of regions joined in the boycott of the NSWF; all of this happened before anyone within the TAS government has been made aware of anything wrong, or given any chance to reply.
- TAS made an official statement condemning any statements that may have been made by any member of the region, asks for time to investigate, and says a statement will be forthcoming.
- TAS made the first request to see any evidence against their founder so that an investigation can be carried out. It takes a number of hours before this evidence is made available, during which time more regions join the boycott. At this point, TAS is still as yet only just beginning to be able to work out what has happened at all.
- TAS then made its first statement, broadly condemning the actions of the founder, announcing an official investigation and asking for chance to figure out what was going on before the court of public opinion condemned the region without any semblance of due process.
- Over the next 24 hours, TAS attempted to negotiate with Europeia, including all of the steps that had been taken to resolve the issue, raising diplomatic concerns with the way Europeia had conducted itself, even considering the removal of the founder and the re-founding of the region, with all that would entail. Throughout this period, TAS repeatedly asked Europeian officials for a position on what steps they wanted TAS to take to resolve issue, but Europeia gave no indication of any way to resolve the issue that would be acceptable to them, and frequently declined to respond to questions for many hours at a time.
- Along with the NSWF committee, TAS proposed to Europeia that the hosting of the World Fair be transferred to a predecessor region of TAS, The Allied Republics, founded by a different member to remove even the semblance of attachment to Britarvia. Europeia declined this offer.
- Throughout this process, TAS raised a number of issues with the accusations made against The Allied States community in the public sphere relating to allegations of racism, homophobia, and Nazism. By the end of negotiations, the Europeian government stood firm in their insistence of condemning The Allied States, and effectively declaring both the nature of our community, and by extension the members of that community, to be homophobic, racist, Nazis and trolls. Given the fact that numerous members of the European government were frequent members of our community, enjoying the relaxed and inclusive atmosphere we try to cultivate, we found these allegations to be utterly shocking.

Steps that were taken
It is very important to note that, as a democratic and constitutional region, The Allied States does not do things by unilateral decision of any one person. This may not satisfy the tempers of those baying for blood, but the region is taking important steps to handle the Founder:

- An official investigation was mounted by our Department of Justice to see if charges could be brought through our courts to rectify the situation quickly. Sadly, this was not possible under pre-existing laws, however the step was taken.
- Laws have been drawn up and are passing through our system which will set out the mechanism by which a founder can be replaced. Once that bill is signed into law, our process will be used to allow the people of the region to deal with him appropriately, and there is a strong possibility that a public referendum on his future as founder will be conducted.
- A resolution to condemn the behavior is proceeding through our legislature
- A formal apology was issued by the founder to Brunhilde, and to Europeia in general. Britarvia has removed controversial material from his pre-title.

Allegations of Racism, Homophobia, etc.

In their statement, Europeia was condemnatory towards the region of The Allied States, accusing us of a number of things that we firmly disagree with. We are somewhat baffled by the racism allegation, as it seems to have been drawn from Europeians with access to our region trawling through months of history to find isolated exampled of people using the N-word, without any regard for the simple fact that those who used language as an expression of hate were punished swiftly. The allegations of homophobia are utterly preposterous, given that The Allied States is a region with, at last census, 50% of its members identifying themselves as LGBTQ+. We have, as has been repeatedly stressed a strong system of rules and community guidelines that prevents the use of language intended to attack, or promote hate. Again, these allegations appear to be drawn from Europeians trawling through months of history to find examples of people using the f-word in a negative context, and again without noting that these instances were swiftly dealt with. The Allied States prides itself on being a LGBTQ+ friendly region, and we deny any allegations to the contrary.

Finally, members of Europeia have alleged that there was either inherent Nazism, or a tolerance of Nazism, within TAS based solely on a few scattered references: the pre-title of the founder which was “the fascist alt-right trumpublic of…” and 4 examples of the word “heil” in the WFE of TAS. The first is not an official stance of the region, and is actually a joke playing on the fact that people who dislike Donald Trump often label him as a fascist. The second is an internal joke of the region, familiar to all who know us- including some Europeians- and refers to one of our influential members who people generally agree with because he’s normally right: hence ‘Heil TNR’. The member in question also speaks German. Neither of these are in any way representative of a tolerance of hatred- and a mere cursory glance at our laws and community standards show a zero tolerance policy to hate.


A note on our regional ethos

The Allied States was founded on ideas similar to those that the United States of America stands for. We aim, as much as is possible, to grant our members as much freedom as possible whilst still protecting individuals from attacks and from hatred. This can sometimes appear to be a tacit endorsement of distasteful ideas, but instead it is merely a respect for the fact that we do not require everyone to agree with us all the time. As with all communities, we don’t always get it right. Finding the line is not always easy, because we’re trying to find the balance between allowing people as much freedom as we can, and keeping people safe. Our reluctance to engage in thought-policing does not condone bad behaviour, nor does it condone ideas that some might find distasteful.

In Conclusion

We’re not perfect, and we have never claimed to be. The actions of one person shouldn’t condemn a whole region. Every region in this game has their share of people who have made mistakes. Every region in this game has had the occasional member who has done something pretty terrible. Most regions get afforded the courtesy of dealing with these issues quietly, and through their own procedures and methods. Instead, the region was publicly condemned by our friends before we have even had chance to discipline our own. But more than that, in seeking to condemn us, Europeia attacked the very character of us a region, and made a number of allegations that we maintain are unfair.

While relations with Europeia are strained right now and we fervently disagree with the way the situation was handled by the Europeian government, we would like to unreservedly apologize to Brunhilde for the telegram sent by our Founder, and to restate, once again, that the region believes that what the Founder sent was wrong and indefensible. We are dismayed that Brunhilde was subject to an attack like that by one of our citizens. Despite the unfortunate fact that dialogue between TAS and Europeia was not productive this week, in part due to the reasons we have laid out here, the Government of TAS has no plans for further action on the forum embassies we maintain with Europeia, and remains willing to engage with them in the future if they are amenable.


- Statement from the Government of The Allied States -

The actions of any one man, be he ever so mighty, or ever so base, should not condemn an entire people. Especially when that people have not been afforded the chance to reprimand their own, nor to respond to allegations with the dignity and judiciousness to which all good peoples are entitled.

The Allied States, at her core, is a region of democratic diversity. We have existed for nigh on 7 years, and in that time have proudly called ourselves home to every creed of people, every sexuality of people, every religion of people. In our latest census, we found that in excess of 50% of our region’s citizens identify as belonging to the LGBTQ+ community. We pride ourselves on overcoming our differences, working through any issues we come across, and becoming ever closer as a people. And for when we come across issues of any kind, we have a robust and tested judiciary that ensures nobody is attacked, or smeared, or subjected to hate, whilst still balancing this with the rights of people to hold opinions. Is this always easy? Of course not, issues plague every society on the face of the earth, but it is the dignity and rights which we afford our people, and the willingness of our community to strive incessantly which has kept such a diverse people together for so long.

As such, it is the position of The Allied States, at home and abroad, to never tolerate hateful language of any kind, nor to promote or disseminate it. The words of one, whatever they were, are not the position of the greater whole. Are there any regions that can honestly say they have never had trouble with someone saying or doing something inappropriate?

The Allied States, in no uncertain terms, condemns hate. It condemns bigotry. It condemns sexism. It condemns racism. It condemns homophobia. We cannot state this in any stronger language.

The Allied States does, however, believe in due process. We do not condemn individuals or organisations without affording them a trial, and the right to defend themselves. We do not condemn our citizens without being given the chance to see the evidence and allegations levelled against them. We do not condemn our allies without contacting them and affording them the dignity of explaining themselves.

Without commenting on the alleged comments made by Britarvia, Founder of the Allied States, until we are made cognisant of the charges and evidence against him, the Government of the Allied States must make the international community aware of one simple fact: The Founder of The Allied States holds -no- legal or constitutional authority within The Allied States. The Founder does not represent The Allied States and has no special rights or dignities afforded to him by that office. The Founder is a private citizen, and nothing more. His voice is not the voice of the region. His voice does not speak for us.

We would appreciate of our allies, with whom we have had two years of good and positive relations, that they contact us in private before making public accusations. We would appreciate if our allies, with whom we have had an accord of friendship for the last two years, had given us the chance to engage our judicial process before choosing to publicly condemn us. And we would be grateful if our allies, with whom we have had cross-regional ties for the last two years, would grant us access to the evidence against our citizen, before conflating one citizen with an entire region and condemning us for it.

If there’s one thing the past year has taught the world, it is that reactionary politics do nobody any good. We can work together to build better relations, we can fight intolerance wherever it occurs, and we can make progress to include all people of every kind and creed. But we can only do so in an open community of friendly and calm discussion, of discourse between friends, and of positive hope for tomorrow. None of us are perfect, and nor do we so claim to be. But all we ask is that before the world condemns us, that we be given chance to address issues internally.


Thank you,
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Postby Aimdar-Goomdar » Mon Jan 16, 2017 2:30 pm

DankMemes is still confident that we will not be participating in the NationStates World Fair V as long as it is still held in The Allied States.

It is still recognized that the Founder of the region still has Executive powers and still takes part in the Regional Government. Furthermore, it is understood that the Founder is currently promoting hate, fascism, and discord with it's current national title.

Though we do understand that one individual doesn't represent the entirety of the region, it's the Founder that is ultimately the personified version of the region, and represents the region as a whole. The unacceptable behavior by your region's Founder was simply too much.

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Postby The Northern United American Republic » Mon Jan 16, 2017 3:58 pm

Aimdar-Goomdar wrote:DankMemes is still confident that we will not be participating in the NationStates World Fair V as long as it is still held in The Allied States.

It is still recognized that the Founder of the region still has Executive powers and still takes part in the Regional Government. Furthermore, it is understood that the Founder is currently promoting hate, fascism, and discord with it's current national title.

Though we do understand that one individual doesn't represent the entirety of the region, it's the Founder that is ultimately the personified version of the region, and represents the region as a whole. The unacceptable behavior by your region's Founder was simply too much.


Hello,

The Allied States welcomes and thanks you for your opinion. However, as stated previously by our Chancellor, the Founder does not play a role in regional government. He is given no rights, privileges, duties, or responsibilities under our constitution.

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Postby Pierconium » Mon Jan 16, 2017 4:00 pm

The Northern United American Republic wrote:
Aimdar-Goomdar wrote:DankMemes is still confident that we will not be participating in the NationStates World Fair V as long as it is still held in The Allied States.

It is still recognized that the Founder of the region still has Executive powers and still takes part in the Regional Government. Furthermore, it is understood that the Founder is currently promoting hate, fascism, and discord with it's current national title.

Though we do understand that one individual doesn't represent the entirety of the region, it's the Founder that is ultimately the personified version of the region, and represents the region as a whole. The unacceptable behavior by your region's Founder was simply too much.


Hello,

The Allied States welcomes and thanks you for your opinion. However, as stated previously by our Chancellor, the Founder does not play a role in regional government. He is given no rights, privileges, duties, or responsibilities under our constitution.

According to Max, a Founder effectively owns a region, regardless of whatever form of government the population chooses to establish. Maybe the community should consider a move?
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Postby La Navasse » Mon Jan 16, 2017 4:01 pm

The Northern United American Republic wrote:
Aimdar-Goomdar wrote:DankMemes is still confident that we will not be participating in the NationStates World Fair V as long as it is still held in The Allied States.

It is still recognized that the Founder of the region still has Executive powers and still takes part in the Regional Government. Furthermore, it is understood that the Founder is currently promoting hate, fascism, and discord with it's current national title.

Though we do understand that one individual doesn't represent the entirety of the region, it's the Founder that is ultimately the personified version of the region, and represents the region as a whole. The unacceptable behavior by your region's Founder was simply too much.


Hello,

The Allied States welcomes and thanks you for your opinion. However, as stated previously by our Chancellor, the Founder does not play a role in regional government. He is given no rights, privileges, duties, or responsibilities under our constitution.


The Founder is not provisioned for under your region's Constitution, however, he still has all possible powers in the region. He is the de facto Head of State.
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Postby La Navasse » Mon Jan 16, 2017 4:02 pm

Pierconium wrote:According to Max, a Founder effectively owns a region, regardless of whatever form of government the population chooses to establish. Maybe the community should consider a move?


For once, I support this.
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Postby Glen-Rhodes » Mon Jan 16, 2017 4:07 pm

What exactly do you guys think would happen if you put your founder to trial and found him guilty?

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Postby La Navasse » Mon Jan 16, 2017 4:13 pm

Glen-Rhodes wrote:What exactly do you guys think would happen if you put your founder to trial and found him guilty?


Exactly. Nothing could be done, since the Founder basically is the Head of the Region and Head of State.
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Postby The Northern United American Republic » Mon Jan 16, 2017 4:25 pm

Pierconium wrote:
The Northern United American Republic wrote:
Hello,

The Allied States welcomes and thanks you for your opinion. However, as stated previously by our Chancellor, the Founder does not play a role in regional government. He is given no rights, privileges, duties, or responsibilities under our constitution.

According to Max, a Founder effectively owns a region, regardless of whatever form of government the population chooses to establish. Maybe the community should consider a move?


The consensus of TAS is that we are exploring several different ideas and their consequences to best decide what to do. As of right now, TAS has ruled out no option and has not begun leaning towards one either. We've never had an international incident this bad nor an attack like this from one of our members, so TAS is attempting to decide its own fate with great consideration so as to arrive at the best decision for our future and for our future relations with others.

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Postby US Founder » Mon Jan 16, 2017 4:34 pm

TAS does have a rather successful history of moving regions to replace a founder! But I'd be sad to see you lot break up. I occasionally check your region page to see how great you are all doing. You've done very well.

Good luck in all of this.

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Postby Britarvia » Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:14 pm

Look I'm sorry for offending whoever I did. What I said to you was not said with any malice. I don't know who you are. It was just a joke to me. I didn't want to hurt you and I am very very very very sorry that I did. Please don't punish my region just because you may view me less than favorably. That isn't fair to them.

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Postby La Navasse » Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:20 pm

Britarvia wrote:Look I'm sorry for offending whoever I did. What I said to you was not said with any malice. I don't know who you are. It was just a joke to me. I didn't want to hurt you and I am very very very very sorry that I did. Please don't punish my region just because you may view me less than favorably. That isn't fair to them.


Once the words come out, you can never take them back.

The action's already been done. Now it's time to decide what consequences you and your region, as a whole, will have to face, especially since already almost 20% of all participating regions are not participating because of this Situation. That percentage will only grow, especially since Europeia is a role model for many other regions.
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Postby Independent Javer » Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:49 pm

La Navasse wrote:
Britarvia wrote:Look I'm sorry for offending whoever I did. What I said to you was not said with any malice. I don't know who you are. It was just a joke to me. I didn't want to hurt you and I am very very very very sorry that I did. Please don't punish my region just because you may view me less than favorably. That isn't fair to them.


Once the words come out, you can never take them back.

The action's already been done. Now it's time to decide what consequences you and your region, as a whole, will have to face, especially since already almost 20% of all participating regions are not participating because of this Situation. That percentage will only grow, especially since Europeia is a role model for many other regions.


Thank you for your opinion, again. Sadly, you do not represent the rest of NationStates, nor the competent authorities who shall be making decisions about this issue.Your curt behavior regarding this matter is doing nothing productive to de-escalate the situation. Kindly stay out of it until a resolution has been made.
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Postby La Navasse » Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:53 pm

Independent Javer wrote:
La Navasse wrote:
Once the words come out, you can never take them back.

The action's already been done. Now it's time to decide what consequences you and your region, as a whole, will have to face, especially since already almost 20% of all participating regions are not participating because of this Situation. That percentage will only grow, especially since Europeia is a role model for many other regions.


Thank you for your opinion, again. Sadly, you do not represent the rest of NationStates, nor the competent authorities who shall be making decisionsabout this issue.Your curt behavior regarding this matter is doing nothing productive to de-escalate the situation. Kindly stay out of it until a resolution has been made.
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That's why we are all waiting for a Statement to be made by the NationStates World Fair Committee to see what they will do.
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Postby Mount Seymour » Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:57 pm

La Navasse wrote:That's why we are all waiting for a Statement to be made by the NationStates World Fair Committee to see what they will do.

Does "waiting" to you mean making unhelpful comments without any evidence?
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Postby La Navasse » Mon Jan 16, 2017 5:58 pm

Mount Seymour wrote:
La Navasse wrote:That's why we are all waiting for a Statement to be made by the NationStates World Fair Committee to see what they will do.

Does "waiting" to you mean making unhelpful comments without any evidence?


No, I'm simply posting my opinion of other's posts.
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Postby CDland » Fri Jan 20, 2017 11:00 pm

Statement from The Allied States regarding recent events

In the last couple of days, The Allied States has been broadly condemned and accused of a number of things, and will no longer continue to host the NationStates World Fair as a result. We feel that it is only right, and fair, that we address the things that have been said about us, and present our version of the story. We do not claim to be blameless by any stretch of the imagination, but we feel the scale and ferocity of response was vastly disproportionate to the offense. This will likely be the last comment the Government of The Allied States makes on this matter.

A Brief Timeline of Events
- Britarvia, the founder of our region, made some jokes in poor taste in our private discord server. He was reprimanded by our moderators, and instructed not to do anything.
- Britarvia, at some point roughly a week later, with no warning nor knowledge of the rest of the region sent a single, unacceptable telegram to Brunhilde the Foreign Affairs Minister of Europeia. In this irresponsible and unjustifiable telegram, he said “Heil Hotler” [sic] and “Drink Bleach”. Britarvia was acting without authorisation from The Allied States, in his capacity as a private individual.
- Europeia, with whom TAS held an accord of friendship, and who was well aware that under the legal structure of TAS the founder does not represent the region, posted a statement in their embassy. In this statement they go beyond the actions of Britarvia, and make accusations of rampant homophobia and racism. They did not contact TAS at any point before making this statement to make us aware of the actions of Britarvia, nor did they make any attempt at a diplomatic resolution. Instead, they announced a general boycott of the NSWF if TAS was the host.
- A number of regions joined in the boycott of the NSWF; all of this happened before anyone within the TAS government has been made aware of anything wrong, or given any chance to reply.
- TAS made an official statement condemning any statements that may have been made by any member of the region, asks for time to investigate, and says a statement will be forthcoming.
- TAS made the first request to see any evidence against their founder so that an investigation can be carried out. It takes a number of hours before this evidence is made available, during which time more regions join the boycott. At this point, TAS is still as yet only just beginning to be able to work out what has happened at all.
- TAS then made its first statement, broadly condemning the actions of the founder, announcing an official investigation and asking for chance to figure out what was going on before the court of public opinion condemned the region without any semblance of due process.
- Over the next 24 hours, TAS attempted to negotiate with Europeia, including all of the steps that had been taken to resolve the issue, raising diplomatic concerns with the way Europeia had conducted itself, even considering the removal of the founder and the re-founding of the region, with all that would entail. Throughout this period, TAS repeatedly asked Europeian officials for a position on what steps they wanted TAS to take to resolve issue, but Europeia gave no indication of any way to resolve the issue that would be acceptable to them, and frequently declined to respond to questions for many hours at a time.
- Along with the NSWF committee, TAS proposed to Europeia that the hosting of the World Fair be transferred to a predecessor region of TAS, The Allied Republics, founded by a different member to remove even the semblance of attachment to Britarvia. Europeia declined this offer.
- Throughout this process, TAS raised a number of issues with the accusations made against The Allied States community in the public sphere relating to allegations of racism, homophobia, and Nazism. By the end of negotiations, the Europeian government stood firm in their insistence of condemning The Allied States, and effectively declaring both the nature of our community, and by extension the members of that community, to be homophobic, racist, Nazis and trolls. Given the fact that numerous members of the European government were frequent members of our community, enjoying the relaxed and inclusive atmosphere we try to cultivate, we found these allegations to be utterly shocking.

Steps that were taken
It is very important to note that, as a democratic and constitutional region, The Allied States does not do things by unilateral decision of any one person. This may not satisfy the tempers of those baying for blood, but the region is taking important steps to handle the Founder:

- An official investigation was mounted by our Department of Justice to see if charges could be brought through our courts to rectify the situation quickly. Sadly, this was not possible under pre-existing laws, however the step was taken.
- Laws have been drawn up and are passing through our system which will set out the mechanism by which a founder can be replaced. Once that bill is signed into law, our process will be used to allow the people of the region to deal with him appropriately, and there is a strong possibility that a public referendum on his future as founder will be conducted.
- A resolution to condemn the behavior is proceeding through our legislature
- A formal apology was issued by the founder to Brunhilde, and to Europeia in general. Britarvia has removed controversial material from his pre-title.

Allegations of Racism, Homophobia, etc.

In their statement, Europeia was condemnatory towards the region of The Allied States, accusing us of a number of things that we firmly disagree with. We are somewhat baffled by the racism allegation, as it seems to have been drawn from Europeians with access to our region trawling through months of history to find isolated exampled of people using the N-word, without any regard for the simple fact that those who used language as an expression of hate were punished swiftly. The allegations of homophobia are utterly preposterous, given that The Allied States is a region with, at last census, 50% of its members identifying themselves as LGBTQ+. We have, as has been repeatedly stressed a strong system of rules and community guidelines that prevents the use of language intended to attack, or promote hate. Again, these allegations appear to be drawn from Europeians trawling through months of history to find examples of people using the f-word in a negative context, and again without noting that these instances were swiftly dealt with. The Allied States prides itself on being a LGBTQ+ friendly region, and we deny any allegations to the contrary.

Finally, members of Europeia have alleged that there was either inherent Nazism, or a tolerance of Nazism, within TAS based solely on a few scattered references: the pre-title of the founder which was “the fascist alt-right trumpublic of…” and 4 examples of the word “heil” in the WFE of TAS. The first is not an official stance of the region, and is actually a joke playing on the fact that people who dislike Donald Trump often label him as a fascist. The second is an internal joke of the region, familiar to all who know us- including some Europeians- and refers to one of our influential members who people generally agree with because he’s normally right: hence ‘Heil TNR’. The member in question also speaks German. Neither of these are in any way representative of a tolerance of hatred- and a mere cursory glance at our laws and community standards show a zero tolerance policy to hate.


A note on our regional ethos

The Allied States was founded on ideas similar to those that the United States of America stands for. We aim, as much as is possible, to grant our members as much freedom as possible whilst still protecting individuals from attacks and from hatred. This can sometimes appear to be a tacit endorsement of distasteful ideas, but instead it is merely a respect for the fact that we do not require everyone to agree with us all the time. As with all communities, we don’t always get it right. Finding the line is not always easy, because we’re trying to find the balance between allowing people as much freedom as we can, and keeping people safe. Our reluctance to engage in thought-policing does not condone bad behaviour, nor does it condone ideas that some might find distasteful.

In Conclusion

We’re not perfect, and we have never claimed to be. The actions of one person shouldn’t condemn a whole region. Every region in this game has their share of people who have made mistakes. Every region in this game has had the occasional member who has done something pretty terrible. Most regions get afforded the courtesy of dealing with these issues quietly, and through their own procedures and methods. Instead, the region was publicly condemned by our friends before we have even had chance to discipline our own. But more than that, in seeking to condemn us, Europeia attacked the very character of us a region, and made a number of allegations that we maintain are unfair.

While relations with Europeia are strained right now and we fervently disagree with the way the situation was handled by the Europeian government, we would like to unreservedly apologize to Brunhilde for the telegram sent by our Founder, and to restate, once again, that the region believes that what the Founder sent was wrong and indefensible. We are dismayed that Brunhilde was subject to an attack like that by one of our citizens. Despite the unfortunate fact that dialogue between TAS and Europeia was not productive this week, in part due to the reasons we have laid out here, the Government of TAS has no plans for further action on the forum embassies we maintain with Europeia, and remains willing to engage with them in the future if they are amenable.
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Klaus Devestatorie
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Postby Klaus Devestatorie » Sat Jan 21, 2017 1:52 am

Vet here. The best thing that The Allied States can do is to keep doing your thing and not worry about whatever other regional governments (i.e. Europeia) say about you. The only tools in their toolbox are self aggrandizing statements and cutting you off from an almost entirely valueless and meaningless interpretation of interregional diplomacy (embassy exchanges). Keep building your own community and ignore them. They'll find bigger windmills to tilt at in a few months and nothing will have changed or mattered.
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Postby Cameron M Romefeller » Sat Jan 21, 2017 1:49 pm

Klaus Devestatorie wrote:Vet here. The best thing that The Allied States can do is to keep doing your thing and not worry about whatever other regional governments (i.e. Europeia) say about you. The only tools in their toolbox are self aggrandizing statements and cutting you off from an almost entirely valueless and meaningless interpretation of interregional diplomacy (embassy exchanges). Keep building your own community and ignore them. They'll find bigger windmills to tilt at in a few months and nothing will have changed or mattered.

Literally why this whole Nazis r bad collab wave will never work. Listen to this guy.
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Postby Klaus Devestatorie » Sat Jan 21, 2017 4:23 pm

Cameron M Romefeller wrote:
Klaus Devestatorie wrote:Vet here. The best thing that The Allied States can do is to keep doing your thing and not worry about whatever other regional governments (i.e. Europeia) say about you. The only tools in their toolbox are self aggrandizing statements and cutting you off from an almost entirely valueless and meaningless interpretation of interregional diplomacy (embassy exchanges). Keep building your own community and ignore them. They'll find bigger windmills to tilt at in a few months and nothing will have changed or mattered.

Literally why this whole Nazis r bad collab wave will never work. Listen to this guy.

Oh, that'll hold for a long time, because Nazis are such an easy target and the main target of interest is as competent in military and intelligence gameplay as most of the CAIN participants (and will probably outlast most of them as a region to boot). They probably just won't ever achieve much against them other than defender's work and region hawking unless they get lucky through events not of their making.
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Postby Revall » Sat Jan 21, 2017 6:11 pm

Klaus Devestatorie wrote:Oh, that'll hold for a long time, because Nazis are such an easy target and the main target of interest is as competent in military and intelligence gameplay as most of the CAIN participants (and will probably outlast most of them as a region to boot). They probably just won't ever achieve much against them other than defender's work and region hawking unless they get lucky through events not of their making.

I agree with pretty much everything you are saying, clearly the current "in season" zeal for nazi witch hunting is having lots of unintended side effects especially when ppl start grabbing onto the most tangential links to fascist or nazi sentiments and snowballing those into uh bigger snowballs. TAS you got the shaft.
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