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Postby Bowzin » Thu May 27, 2021 7:37 pm

Kylia Quilor wrote:Given your past conduct and that your signature and 'resume' still claim to be statsminister of Balder, despite what you did wrt to the region...

I don't see why you would think somehow you merited your Persona Non Grata status being removed.

What if I apologize?
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Postby Cormactopia Prime » Thu May 27, 2021 7:41 pm

Kylia Quilor wrote:Given your past conduct and that your signature and 'resume' still claim to be statsminister of Balder, despite what you did wrt to the region...

I don't see why you would think somehow you merited your Persona Non Grata status being removed.

NES has driven Balder into the ground, but nobody has made him PNG yet!

No, but in all seriousness though, I think the better question is will PNG people be able to participate in EuroPride or are only the members of the NationStates LGBTQ+ community that Europeia doesn't have an in-character problem with invited? I put the B in LGBTQ+, but I seem to recall being excluded in years past.

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Postby Bowzin » Thu May 27, 2021 7:42 pm

Cormactopia Prime wrote:
Kylia Quilor wrote:Given your past conduct and that your signature and 'resume' still claim to be statsminister of Balder, despite what you did wrt to the region...

I don't see why you would think somehow you merited your Persona Non Grata status being removed.

NES has driven Balder into the ground, but nobody has made him PNG yet!

No, but in all seriousness though, I think the better question is will PNG people be able to participate in EuroPride or are only the members of the NationStates LGBTQ+ community that Europeia doesn't have an in-character problem with invited? I put the B in LGBTQ+, but I seem to recall being excluded in years past.

I am even better at putting the B in LGTBQ+ since I'm Bicurious and Bowzin.
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Kylia Quilor
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Postby Kylia Quilor » Fri May 28, 2021 5:46 am

Cormactopia Prime wrote:
Kylia Quilor wrote:Given your past conduct and that your signature and 'resume' still claim to be statsminister of Balder, despite what you did wrt to the region...

I don't see why you would think somehow you merited your Persona Non Grata status being removed.

NES has driven Balder into the ground, but nobody has made him PNG yet!

No, but in all seriousness though, I think the better question is will PNG people be able to participate in EuroPride or are only the members of the NationStates LGBTQ+ community that Europeia doesn't have an in-character problem with invited? I put the B in LGBTQ+, but I seem to recall being excluded in years past.

You say that as if Europeia PNGs every single person it doesn't like. Regardless of anything else, the list of people PNG'd is actually fairly small.
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Kazaman
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Postby Kazaman » Fri May 28, 2021 11:53 am

Thank you for the inquiry about EuroPride attendance.

We realise that the lines between in-character and out-of-character actions are blurry during events like this. Even though EuroPride is an initiative of the Europeian government, Pride is something we've borrowed from Real Life, which reflects the real lives of players in the game. We hope that players from across the NationStates world will feel welcome to participate with us.

Any person designated Persona Non Grata by Europeia who wishes to attend EuroPride 2021 may contact myself or Peeps by telegram (KazamanicEuropeia, The Nation of the People of the Nation) or Discord (Otto#6403, Peeps#0001).

All the best,

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Europride 2021 Schedule

Postby Europeian Embassy » Tue Jun 01, 2021 4:57 pm

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Since it was first held in 2018, EuroPride has been one of the largest NationStates LGBT+ Pride Festivals. Held by Europeia with the aid and participation of its friends and allies, this festival seeks to celebrate and outline the achievements of NS' epic LGBT+ community. This year, under President Kazaman and his administration, Europeia brings you EuroPride 2021!

This year's schedule will be packed with a diverse array of activities from radio shows, competitions, games, and more all held on a Discord server exclusively made for EuroPride events. As an additional event that all attendees are encouraged to participate in, the Europeian forums will be open for all participants to present speeches of a more personal nature. Join us from June 4 to June 11 for a week of celebrating LGBT+ people and the NS community.

The Schedule
  • Friday June 4th
    • Opening Voice Chat - 6 PM EDT (22:00 UTC)
    • ERN's King of the Hill event begins
    • Open Mic Speech Forum opens to Participants with relevant #speeches channel to announce
  • Saturday June 5th
    • Jackbox hosted by Icarus - 5 PM EDT (21:00 UTC)
    • Opening of the Pride Collection Cards Competition
    • Opening of the Creative Showcase Submissions
  • Sunday June 6th
    • BoardGameOnline(BGO) by Rotasu - 6 PM EDT (22:00 UTC)
    • Pride Collection Cards Competition
    • Creative Showcase Submissions
  • Monday June 7th
    • Skribbl.io hosted by Rotasu - 7 PM EDT (23:00 UTC)
    • Pride Collection Cards Competition
    • Creative Showcase Submissions
  • Tuesday June 8th
    • Talking Tales Ep. 2 with Icarus and Istillian on EBC Radio - 2 AM EDT (6:00 UTC)
    • S1 Galway-Dublin Pull Event hosted by NASPAQ - 4 PM - 6 PM EDT (20:00 - 22:00 UTC)
    • Poetry Night hosted by UPC - 7 PM EDT (23:00 UTC)
    • Pride Collection Cards Competition
    • Creative Showcase Submissions
  • Wednesday June 9th
    • Trivia hosted by OldeDelaware - 6 PM EDT (22:00 UTC)
    • Pride Collection Cards Competition
    • Creative Showcase Submissions
  • Thursday June 10th
    • LGBTQIntersectionality with EBC Radio - 6 PM EDT (22:00 UTC)
    • Pride Collection Cards Competition ends & winner announced
    • Creative Showcase Submissions
  • Friday June 11th
    • Farewell VC + Secret Hitler hosted by Rotasu - 7 PM EDT (23:00 UTC)
    • Pride Collection Cards Competition ends & winner announced
    • Creative Showcase Submissions close & Showcase unveiled
    • ERN's King of the Hill event ends
    • Open Mic Speech Forum closes


Join the EuroPride 2021 Discord here.

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Postby Tinhampton » Sat Jun 05, 2021 5:46 am

Is The Heart of Darkslayer supposed to be a capture-the-flag region created for EuroPride '21?
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The Nation of the People of the Nation
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Postby The Nation of the People of the Nation » Sat Jun 05, 2021 8:12 am

Tinhampton wrote:Is The Heart of Darkslayer supposed to be a capture-the-flag region created for EuroPride '21?

Yep! Announcement is here (https://forums.europeians.com/index.php ... .10056489/), as well as in the EuroPride discord server.

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Independence and Government: A Foreign Policy Summit

Postby Europeian Embassy » Sat Jun 19, 2021 6:24 am

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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
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(Europeia, June 19, 2021) -From June 24 to June 30 the Europeian forums will be a hotbed of debate and dialogue as Europeia kicks off its first summit on Independence titled Independence and Government: A Foreign Policy Summit. The celebration will launch with a myriad of topics on Independence and NationStates gameplay, capped with radio shows on each speaker's topic hosted by the infamous radio-man himself, Wymondham.

Notable speakers and their topics will include:
  • NES who will cover the role of the Independent sphere among the new sinkers in a historical piece,
  • Malashaan with utilizing law as a tool of foreign policy in various NationStates organizations,
  • Dilber and the evolution of regional security over time,
  • Zukchiva about the flexibility and limitations of being unaligned in NationStates gameplay,
  • Xoriet on the role of the antifascist movement in interregional politics,
  • St. George highlighting the future of Independent leadership with specific reflection on faction switching,
  • HEM recounting the early days of Europeian foreign policy and the struggle to break from various influences,
  • Sopo concerning the increased role of social factors in NationStates politics and how Independence can adapt,
  • and Kazaman comparing in-character and out-of-character actions in gameplay politics.


Guests are encouraged to participate during the Summit through debate and commentary on the forum threads, or discourse through radio Mixlr chat during shows. Participants can join the summit by going to europeians.com with an active account, meaning there will be no need to apply for special masking for the event. Independence is an important aspect of NationStates gameplay, and this summit will highlight the veracity of that statement.

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The Notorious Mad Jack
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Postby The Notorious Mad Jack » Sat Jun 19, 2021 6:30 am

Looking forward to being part of this.
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Comfed
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Postby Comfed » Sat Jun 19, 2021 7:11 am

I am excited for this event!

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Postby Cormactopia Prime » Sat Jun 19, 2021 7:16 am

Europeian Embassy wrote:Participants can join the summit by going to europeians.com with an active account, meaning there will be no need to apply for special masking for the event.

Will it be visible to guests (i.e., those not logged in) or will an account be required to even read the threads?

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Postby Wymondham » Sat Jun 19, 2021 3:45 pm

Super excited to be dusting off my podcast mic for this!!
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Kazaman
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Postby Kazaman » Mon Jun 21, 2021 7:29 am

Cormactopia Prime wrote:
Europeian Embassy wrote:Participants can join the summit by going to europeians.com with an active account, meaning there will be no need to apply for special masking for the event.

Will it be visible to guests (i.e., those not logged in) or will an account be required to even read the threads?

It is indeed visible to guests.

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Calvin Coolidge Elected in Presidential Election

Postby Europeian Embassy » Wed Jul 21, 2021 5:38 pm

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Contact Information (Discord): Darc#0013

(Europeia, 7/16/2021) - The citizens of Europeia elected Senator Calvin Coolidge as President of Europeia in an election held on Friday, July 9. Calvin Coolidge and running mate Minister of Interior GrandfatherClock defeated the incumbents, President Kazaman and Vice President United Peoples of Centrism, on the first ballot with 55.9% of the vote. This will be Calvin Coolidge's fourth term as President.

"Over the course of this term, I will do my best to make this game as fun as it can be for everyone, and try to have as much fun as I can in the Presidency, which I still believe is the premier position in all of NationStates," said President Calvin Coolidge in their opening address. "This community has entrusted me with great power and responsibility, and I will always do my best to make this community better... [W]e cannot control the region, fate, or even our own legacy. We have to just do our best when we can, and serve until we can't serve anymore. Thank you, Europeia, for allowing me to serve once more."

Following the election, the Europeian Senate confirmed President Calvin Coolidge's nominations for Cabinet. The newly confirmed Cabinet consists of Istillian as Grand Admiral, Le Libertie as Minister of Interior, Monkey as Minister of Communications, Greater Cesnica as Minister of World Assembly Affairs, Darkslayer as Minister of Foreign Affairs, Sanjurika as Minister of Culture, Kuramia as Minister of Radio, and Malashaan as Attorney General.

Calvin Coolidge's rise to the presidency created a vacancy in the Senate, prompting a by-election on July 13. The by-election ballot featured five candidates and United Peoples of Centrism won on the first ballot with 51% of the vote.

This by-election followed another one that occurred just a week before due to the resignation of Senator HEM, in which Ervald was elected to the Senate with 71.1% of the vote.

The next election in Europeia will be the general election for the Senate is scheduled to be held on August 13.

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Postby Ikania » Thu Jul 22, 2021 6:10 pm

really feeling for john w. davis rn
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Postby Wentshire » Sat Jul 24, 2021 3:50 pm

Congratulations to the new President and the Cabinet!
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Postby Terra Inferiori Reliquere » Mon Jul 26, 2021 1:34 am

Let us hope for a productive fourth term! Congratulations from Kantrias, Calvin and Cabinet!
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The Black Hawks Spies on 10000 Islands

Postby Europeian Embassy » Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:22 pm

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The Black Hawks Spies on 10000 Islands, Raids Nasunia with The East Pacific
Written by Kazaman

During the major update of 9PM, July 24th Pacific time, The Black Hawks led a coalition to raid Nasunia. This comes after months of silence from the raider region, which uses the motto "the most feared military organisation in NationStates." Joining The Black Hawks were Joint Task Force, Lily, The North Pacific, Lone Wolves United, Karma, and The East Pacific.

Hollow Norman 4, a member of the Ten Thousand Islands Treaty Organisation for the past two months, joined defender forces in Artificial Solar System following an alert by Libcord officers who noticed the impending invasion. As a member of the defending force, Hollow Norman 4 was crossendorsed by many of the defenders. After the units moved, it was revealed that Hollow Norman 4 was a puppet owned by Miravana, the point for the raid and a member of The Black Hawks. The raiders endorsed the spy and, due to the combination of defender and raider endorsements, were able to take control of Nasunia.

When reached for comment by the EBC, Lady Dominator said that this infiltration was a proof of concept to gain an edge in endorsements, with no other goal or purpose. "Infiltration of defenders to gain their endos briefly for a jump has proven itself viable at present, yes - this particular instance was a combination of a 'couldn’t hurt to try' and proof of concept as such, but the goal was always strictly the borrowing of endos as we did (rather than any greater infiltration/espionage/etc)."

The revelation that Miravana was spying on 10000 Islands caused a diplomatic incident between 10000 Islands and The East Pacific, who are signatories to the Treaty of the Waxing Moon, which forbids acts of hostility and places an obligation to inform the other party of espionage or other security risks.

Questions about this revelation were raised in the NationStates Gameplay Discord server, a private community run by Koth of Osiris and The Black Hawks. Concerns about the possible treaty violation were first raised by Karptusk, an officer in the Rejected Realms Army. They were met with jeers by raiders, including Miravana, and Frenchy, Supreme Commander of Lily. Major Lady Dominator of the Council of Hawks said that "Perhaps this may be a surprise, but we don’t exactly usually think about the idea that people would have a problem with one pure R/D org infiltratting [sic] another for purely R/D reasons." This echoes back to similar sentiments last year when, after Karptusk was outed as a spy in The Black Hawks, the Council brushed the act of espionage aside.

Atlae, Delegate of The East Pacific, confirmed that The East Pacific was not aware that Miravana was spying on 10000 Islands, saying "the situation from TEP's perspective right now seems to be absolute confusion. We knew of no spy, from or infiltrating XKI, participating in the op before and during the raid. The first time we heard about this was now," further adding that "EPSA [the Eastern Pacific Sovereign Army] will soon be withdrawing from Nasunia. Further talks with XKI will take place behind closed doors." The East Pacific intends to issue a public statement soon in their Gameplay forum embassy.

Lady Dominator, in their comments to the EBC, outlined how The Black Hawks would learn from the incident. "With joint operations going forward, it’ll principally be a matter of more carefully thinking about the invites if we repeat this particular tactic again to avoid the conflict that happened in this case - other joint operations we’ve been careful to avoid inviting conflicting regions or inviting regions to raids their policies don’t allow, which we’ll continue doing."

Just twelve hours after the raid, during the past minor update, 9AM, July 25th Pacific time, Nasunia was liberated by a coalition including The Order of the Grey Wardens, The Rejected Realms, The South Pacific, The West Pacific, The League, Thaecia, Free Nations Region, the United Regions Alliance, and Japan.

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More news from the Europeian Broadcasting Corporation available here: http://forums.europeians.com/index.php?forums/4010143/

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Postby Quebecshire » Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:48 pm

Europeian Embassy wrote:Just twelve hours after the raid, during the past minor update, 9AM, July 25th Pacific time, Nasunia was liberated by a coalition including The Order of the Grey Wardens, The Rejected Realms, The South Pacific, The West Pacific, The League, Thaecia, Free Nations Region, the United Regions Alliance, and Japan.

Hell yeah, it was - quite the fun operation.

Anyway, very nice article, I imagine it will serve as a good explainer for anyone who wasn't directly involved. It's slightly surprising, the level of carelessness TBH displayed by getting a major region to essentially violate a treaty through lying by omission. Council members can play it off as "purely R/D reasons" all they like, but I think they're well aware of the further implications. I understand LD says they'll be more careful about invites in the future, but it really seems like they should have been aware of the issues here.

Note just in case: This is an entirely personal comment, not representative of the opinion of any region or organization I'm involved in.
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Postby The Python » Mon Jul 26, 2021 7:16 pm

Quebecshire wrote:
Europeian Embassy wrote:Just twelve hours after the raid, during the past minor update, 9AM, July 25th Pacific time, Nasunia was liberated by a coalition including The Order of the Grey Wardens, The Rejected Realms, The South Pacific, The West Pacific, The League, Thaecia, Free Nations Region, the United Regions Alliance, and Japan.

Hell yeah, it was - quite the fun operation.

Anyway, very nice article, I imagine it will serve as a good explainer for anyone who wasn't directly involved. It's slightly surprising, the level of carelessness TBH displayed by getting a major region to essentially violate a treaty through lying by omission. Council members can play it off as "purely R/D reasons" all they like, but I think they're well aware of the further implications. I understand LD says they'll be more careful about invites in the future, but it really seems like they should have been aware of the issues here.

Note just in case: This is an entirely personal comment, not representative of the opinion of any region or organization I'm involved in.

Yeah, that was disgusting on the part of TBH. Just because they decided that they don't do treaties doesn't mean they can trick other regions that do recognise treaties into breaking them.
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Postby Syberis » Tue Jul 27, 2021 7:38 am

The Python wrote:
Quebecshire wrote:Hell yeah, it was - quite the fun operation.

Anyway, very nice article, I imagine it will serve as a good explainer for anyone who wasn't directly involved. It's slightly surprising, the level of carelessness TBH displayed by getting a major region to essentially violate a treaty through lying by omission. Council members can play it off as "purely R/D reasons" all they like, but I think they're well aware of the further implications. I understand LD says they'll be more careful about invites in the future, but it really seems like they should have been aware of the issues here.

Note just in case: This is an entirely personal comment, not representative of the opinion of any region or organization I'm involved in.

Yeah, that was disgusting on the part of TBH. Just because they decided that they don't do treaties doesn't mean they can trick other regions that do recognise treaties into breaking them.


This is an interesting take. It's basically universally been treated in GP that awareness is a critical part of what is considered a treaty violation - I'm trying to remember the last time anyone recognized anything like this as a treaty violation.

Unless the allegation is that TEP was spying on XKI by using TBH as a proxy, this is funky as hell. Or, perhaps, the take that would make more sense that TEP needed to report when they knew there was a spy in XKI, but is there evidence that TEP knew about the spy prior to it coming out? If that's the case then TBH didn't trick a region into violating a treaty
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Postby Quebecshire » Tue Jul 27, 2021 8:54 am

Syberis wrote:
The Python wrote:Yeah, that was disgusting on the part of TBH. Just because they decided that they don't do treaties doesn't mean they can trick other regions that do recognise treaties into breaking them.


This is an interesting take. It's basically universally been treated in GP that awareness is a critical part of what is considered a treaty violation - I'm trying to remember the last time anyone recognized anything like this as a treaty violation.

Unless the allegation is that TEP was spying on XKI by using TBH as a proxy, this is funky as hell. Or, perhaps, the take that would make more sense that TEP needed to report when they knew there was a spy in XKI, but is there evidence that TEP knew about the spy prior to it coming out? If that's the case then TBH didn't trick a region into violating a treaty

Well, there are better ways to word it, but they basically did.

They lied by omission to lead EPSA to conduct an operation that is generally believed to be a violation of the treaty. Like you said, awareness is crucial, so I hope defenders don't point hostility towards TEP for this, rather, where it squarely belongs, which is The Black Hawks. Inviting a region to conduct an operation which you know, or should know, will violate their procedures and agreements and then leaving out the information that would allow them to be fully aware of the nature of the operation is absolutely a form of either trickery or gross negligence. You're free to decide what you think it is between those two for yourself.
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Postby Benevolent Thomas » Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:17 am

Quebecshire wrote:
Anyway, very nice article, I imagine it will serve as a good explainer for anyone who wasn't directly involved. It's slightly surprising, the level of carelessness TBH displayed by getting a major region to essentially violate a treaty through lying by omission. Council members can play it off as "purely R/D reasons" all they like, but I think they're well aware of the further implications. I understand LD says they'll be more careful about invites in the future, but it really seems like they should have been aware of the issues here.

Queue an old man's thoughts:

Well, this sort of thing has happened before (regions inadvertently violating agreements while participating in coalition invasions). Historically, there have been no consequences when this happens. The treaty violator truthfully claims ignorance and isn't held accountable and the blame gets punted to TBH and they'll also truthfully claim ignorance (why would you expect TBH to know TEP's policies and treaties?) and they'll make some sort of farcical declaration as LD has here about being more careful in the future. Maybe it affects the next occupation attendance by independents, maybe EPSA goes out of their way to participate in a liberation or two. After maybe a single election cycle the paradigm will return to normal with independent regions being more than happy to roll the dice and blindly trust any GP organization with a reputation for competency.

TBH did nothing wrong. TEP inadvertently violated a treaty. TEP will likely receive some sort of sanction from XKI, they aren't the most forgiving region. TEP has to do a better job of inserting themselves into the war room when joining coalition operations. If TBH can't trust them to know the full picture of what they are participating in, they need to find someone who will, or they need to be more self-reliant. Not to say that EPSA can't run their own operations independently, but maybe they should more aggressively strive to do these sorts of solo operations.
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Postby Les Claypool » Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:45 pm

Benevolent Thomas wrote:
Quebecshire wrote:
Anyway, very nice article, I imagine it will serve as a good explainer for anyone who wasn't directly involved. It's slightly surprising, the level of carelessness TBH displayed by getting a major region to essentially violate a treaty through lying by omission. Council members can play it off as "purely R/D reasons" all they like, but I think they're well aware of the further implications. I understand LD says they'll be more careful about invites in the future, but it really seems like they should have been aware of the issues here.

Queue an old man's thoughts:

Well, this sort of thing has happened before (regions inadvertently violating agreements while participating in coalition invasions). Historically, there have been no consequences when this happens. The treaty violator truthfully claims ignorance and isn't held accountable and the blame gets punted to TBH and they'll also truthfully claim ignorance (why would you expect TBH to know TEP's policies and treaties?) and they'll make some sort of farcical declaration as LD has here about being more careful in the future. Maybe it affects the next occupation attendance by independents, maybe EPSA goes out of their way to participate in a liberation or two. After maybe a single election cycle the paradigm will return to normal with independent regions being more than happy to roll the dice and blindly trust any GP organization with a reputation for competency.

TBH did nothing wrong. TEP inadvertently violated a treaty. TEP will likely receive some sort of sanction from XKI, they aren't the most forgiving region. TEP has to do a better job of inserting themselves into the war room when joining coalition operations. If TBH can't trust them to know the full picture of what they are participating in, they need to find someone who will, or they need to be more self-reliant. Not to say that EPSA can't run their own operations independently, but maybe they should more aggressively strive to do these sorts of solo operations.

Wow something sensible finally appears in this part of the thread.

The real issue here, is why anyone would waste time spying to make a single raid happen? Just to be clear, a defender infiltration would also be a waste of time if it ends with stopping a single random raid.
Last edited by Les Claypool on Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:46 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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