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Comfed wrote:

RiderSyl wrote:Silly me, that's right, the technology that would allow treaty allies to communicate on NS does not exist yet
It's a miracle we've managed to have any foreign affairs at all with just smoke signals

I must have missed the part of the Treaty of Morya that subjugated the ERN to the League.

Allies tend to keep each other in the loop.....

Comfed wrote:

RiderSyl wrote:Silly me, that's right, the technology that would allow treaty allies to communicate on NS does not exist yet
It's a miracle we've managed to have any foreign affairs at all with just smoke signals

I must have missed the part of the Treaty of Morya that subjugated the ERN to the League.

Just the bit where TL used a warzone hit as a casus belli not long ago. Their pwecious soveweignty is empty words if they selectively apply it

Devi wrote:

Comfed wrote:I must have missed the part of the Treaty of Morya that subjugated the ERN to the League.

Just the bit where TL used a warzone hit as a casus belli not long ago. Their pwecious soveweignty is empty words if they selectively apply it

Actually believing that line of bullshit in the first place was your first mistake....

Comfed wrote:

RiderSyl wrote:Silly me, that's right, the technology that would allow treaty allies to communicate on NS does not exist yet
It's a miracle we've managed to have any foreign affairs at all with just smoke signals

I must have missed the part of the Treaty of Morya that subjugated the ERN to the League.

I didn't know Europeia had to be subjugated to a region in order to respect their wishes, but now that I do, it explains why y'all get on so well with the LKE.

RiderSyl wrote:

Comfed wrote:I must have missed the part of the Treaty of Morya that subjugated the ERN to the League.

I didn't know Europeia had to be subjugated to a region in order to respect their wishes, but now that I do, it explains why y'all get on so well with the LKE.

It's not like TL is going to say anything about it, anyway. I am quite sure TGW leadership was advised beforehand that the hit was taking place, and gave it their blessing...

Protection of native communities... by trying to destroy that native community? I am not sure what went through the thought process here.. I guess anything is sovereign* but with *terms apply.

The following are my own personal views, and do not represent the views of the government of The League & Concord
The Treaty of Morya is a largely defensive treatise, and as Warzone Asia was not and continues to not be a "protectorate or treaty ally" of The League, it bears no relevance to the situation which is currently being discussed.

To see that our region now seems to dominate the conversational response to a multi-region action against a region that allied itself to raiders, let alone to call the integrity of the values of our region and its leaders into question, makes for rather confusing reading- especially when the LDF played absolutely no part in the action against Warzone Asia.

The assaults on our allies carried out by the Brotherhood of Malice and its allies leave me with little regard for individuals, notably not even within their ranks, using an action not involving our region to invoke our name in bad faith.

Why are the same group of people who always do this sort of dance on the forums using Quebec's defense of their treaty ally, Warzone Sandbox, as justification for ERN (a separate region's military) to not raid Warzone Asia, which is treaty-allied to neither Europeia nor the League? Not only this, the LDF didn't even participate in this.

I genuinely can't imagine how much maintenance work you few do just for Quebec to live rent-free in your minds. What hospitable hosts.

Minskiev wrote:Why are the same group of people who always do this sort of dance on the forums using Quebec's defense of their treaty ally, Warzone Sandbox, as justification for ERN (a separate region's military) to not raid Warzone Asia, which is treaty-allied to neither Europeia nor the League?

Because the defense of Warzone Sandbox was supposed to be a warning to not mess with the Warzones, plural. If it really was a simple treaty obligation and nothing more, it certainly wasn't broadcast that way by the League.

Minskiev wrote:Not only this, the LDF didn't even participate in this.

I was going to say that has nothing to do with this, but actually, it would look better for Europeia if the LDF had participated. Would've made it clear where TL truly stands on the Warzones.

Minskiev wrote:I genuinely can't imagine how much maintenance work you few do just for Quebec to live rent-free in your minds. What hospitable hosts.

Swing and a miss as usual, Minskiev. Seeing a Warzone raided and thinking of Quebec's response is like seeing Stargate raided and thinking of TNP's response. Calling that "living rent-free" is just a lazy dig.

Since The League and Concord are being dragged into something we had nothing to do with, I feel it appropriate to set the record straight on the matter. I am not here to debate, so any complaints about our position can be directed to, well, the void.

Since there have been claims about The League's position on "Warzone sovereignty", I feel the need to redirect the audience to portions of our declaration of war from March, specifically,

The Tirol Region wrote:Whereas the named belligerents have committed unprovoked acts of war against the treatied allies of the government and the people of The League:

The Tirol Region wrote:Since December 2021, The League has kept a formal alliance with the Warzone Empire

The Tirol Region wrote:Thus, pursuant to section two of the Golden Eagle Pact, it is the duty of The League to stand with the Warzone Empire when she finds herself assailed by the legions of Raiderdom.

Added emphasis is mine, of course.

The League's position on Warzones is that they should be treated like any other region, not treated as beneath them, nor elevated to a unique status. As such, our military parameters for defense, invasion, or inaction remain the same for Warzones as they do for any region. Given that we do not have a treaty with Warzone Asia, we have no reason to provide the same diplomatic response to this incident as we did for Warzone Sandbox.

We do not view a relationship with Warzone Asia as tenable in the aftermath of their formal agreement with BoM - an organization that has behaved in an unmatched antagonism both globally and against our allies. Unfortunately our response on the diplomatic and bureaucratic front was somewhat delayed due to military preoccupations and the real-life busy schedule of Tirol, but the embassy is being closed and the relevant ambassador has been recalled. There should be no confusion at this time.

Attempts by bad-faith actors to manipulate our foreign affairs and drive wedges between us and our allies will be discarded. The League is fully capable of delivering complaints and concerns to our allies in good faith when necessitated, which is not the case here. We do not feel Europeia's involvement violates the text nor spirit of the Treaty of Morya in any form. Our alliance to Europeia remains as sturdy as ever in spite of the peanut gallery.

RiderSyl wrote:

Minskiev wrote:Why are the same group of people who always do this sort of dance on the forums using Quebec's defense of their treaty ally, Warzone Sandbox, as justification for ERN (a separate region's military) to not raid Warzone Asia, which is treaty-allied to neither Europeia nor the League?

Because the defense of Warzone Sandbox was supposed to be a warning to not mess with the Warzones, plural. If it really was a simple treaty obligation and nothing more, it certainly wasn't broadcast that way by the League.

What?

The LDF has *always* believed in the concept of regional sovereignty being revoked upon actions that may infringe on the regional sovereignties of others. Such actions include diplomacy with BoM. Even if your conclusion that TL was standing up for all warzones is correct (which I still don't think it entirely is), claiming that TL's stance then holds forever true ignores the reality that things can change.

Minskiev wrote:Not only this, the LDF didn't even participate in this.

I was going to say that has nothing to do with this, but actually, it would look better for Europeia if the LDF had participated. Would've made it clear where TL truly stands on the Warzones.

I genuinely don't understand what you're talking about. The lack of LDF participation has everything to do with my argument of you being obsessed with TL and Quebec, so much so that you bring him and his region up even in situations they aren't involved in in the slightest.

Minskiev wrote:I genuinely can't imagine how much maintenance work you few do just for Quebec to live rent-free in your minds. What hospitable hosts.

Swing and a miss as usual, Minskiev. Seeing a Warzone raided and thinking of Quebec's response is like seeing Stargate raided and thinking of TNP's response. Calling that "living rent-free" is just a lazy dig.

This is plain funny

In all seriousness, wow. What a false equivalency. Let's break it down: Quebec doesn't believe that every region shouldn't be raided. Quebec's military occasionally raids, and iirc Quebec participated in TGW's occupation of Warzone Airspace. Finally, Quebec is not treaty-allied to Warzone Asia, only Sandbox (out of the Warzones). TNP, on the other hand, is treaty-allied to Stargate. Therefore, it is obligated to care about a raid on Stargate. Quebec is under no such obligation to either care about a raid on Warzone Asia or reprimand its allies for raiding Warzone Asia. Just because he defended one warzone months ago, doesn't mean that he has to prop up different, raider-aligned warzones now.

Minskiev wrote:I genuinely don't understand what you're talking about. The lack of LDF participation has everything to do with my argument of you being obsessed with TL and Quebec, so much so that you bring him and his region up even in situations they aren't involved in in the slightest.

Oh, well, I addressed the lack of LDF participation as part of the argument I was making, because your thing about me being obsessed with Quebec is so fucking weird that I didn't even register it.

The reason I brought him and his region up here is because, back when I used to actually talk to him, there were things he said. That he saw himself as a protector of the Warzones and didn't want anyone to fuck with them, how Malice hitting Warzone Sandbox especially pissed him off because of it, etc etc. It was one of the things that I thought was cool about Quebec. I always had a soft spot for Codger because of how he tried to get the Warzones to be more than what they've turned out to be. So, I assumed that TL runs the way Quebec wants it to, that what I was told was the truth, that what he described wasn't a phase, was something that was a pretty hard stance, he wouldn't compromise on, and so forth.

Guess the Warzone protector dream was as real as OFO Delenda Est. My bad. I won't make judgements about The League based on the word of The League's leader anymore. Can't trust them.

RiderSyl wrote:Guess the Warzone protector dream was as real as OFO Delenda Est. My bad. I won't make judgements about The League based on the word of The League's leader anymore. Can't trust them.

Not sure what you are getting at but why should the League defend people with an official treaty with a raider region like Warzone Asia?

The Republic of Europeia and 10000 Islands are proud to announce the ratification of the Treaty of the Archipelagos.

This is a landmark agreement between two of the largest, most historic User-Created Regions in NationStates. Our similar upbringing as storied UCR communities has crafted a strong, underlying cultural understanding between both our respective leaders and citizens.

Our governments are extremely proud to usher in a new era of our relationship, highlighted by increased military, diplomatic, and cultural pursuits. The Treaty of Archipelagos is neither an end goal or a final destination for our governments, but is rather the first page of what will be a long and storied relationship.

Signed,


Markanite, Chief Executive of 10000 Islands

Icarus, President of Europeia
Writinglegend, Minister of Foreign Affairs of Europeia

Very nice! Congratulations and huzzah to both sides on the successful conclusion of this treaty!

Honestly, how long do you have to act like defenders and only defenders, before you are defenders? Do what TSP did a long time ago and just add the Defender tag. It'll be more fun for everyone!

RiderSyl wrote:Honestly, how long do you have to act like defenders and only defenders, before you are defenders? Do what TSP did a long time ago and just add the Defender tag. It'll be more fun for everyone!

It's funny to look back only a year or two when we were accused of being raiders in anything but name. Your comments, as the comments then, show a fundamental lack of understanding for Europeia and Independence. These comments don't impress us much.

Pichtonia wrote:

RiderSyl wrote:Honestly, how long do you have to act like defenders and only defenders, before you are defenders? Do what TSP did a long time ago and just add the Defender tag. It'll be more fun for everyone!

It's funny to look back only a year or two when we were accused of being raiders in anything but name.

The difference between the people that made those comments and me is that I'm right.

Pichtonia wrote:Your comments, as the comments then, show a fundamental lack of understanding for Europeia and Independence. These comments don't impress us much.

Maybe it's Europeia that's forgotten what independence is.

RiderSyl wrote:

Pichtonia wrote:It's funny to look back only a year or two when we were accused of being raiders in anything but name.

The difference between the people that made those comments and me is that I'm right.

Make not like an Independent and never change Syl

RiderSyl wrote:

Pichtonia wrote:
It's funny to look back only a year or two when we were accused of being raiders in anything but name.

The difference between the people that made those comments and me is that I'm right.

Pichtonia wrote:Your comments, as the comments then, show a fundamental lack of understanding for Europeia and Independence. These comments don't impress us much.

Maybe it's Europeia that's forgotten what independence is.

Thanks for the laugh. I'm sure we'll give you a call if we need it explained to us. Don't wait for it, though.

I loved working with 10000 Islands and especially Markanite on this. Furthermore, I am glad to inform every concerned party that Europeias' Independence is very much intact. In fact, I'd like to think it is positively thriving.

Minskiev wrote:

RiderSyl wrote:The difference between the people that made those comments and me is that I'm right.

Make not like an Independent and never change Syl

I won't!

Congratulations to Europeia and 10000 Islands on such a landmark agreement. It's always wonderful to see our allies grow closer.

Europeian Embassy wrote:This is a landmark agreement between two of the largest, most historic User-Created Regions in NationStates.

Another victory for the userite.

Pichtonia wrote:It's funny to look back only a year or two when we were accused of being raiders in anything but name. Your comments, as the comments then, show a fundamental lack of understanding for Europeia and Independence. These comments don't impress us much.

Evidently they do not leave an impression, as you also seem to have forgotten who was making such accusations which you refer to.

A Bloodred Moon wrote:

Pichtonia wrote:It's funny to look back only a year or two when we were accused of being raiders in anything but name. Your comments, as the comments then, show a fundamental lack of understanding for Europeia and Independence. These comments don't impress us much.

Evidently they do not leave an impression, as you also seem to have forgotten who was making such accusations which you refer to.

Not at all, I remember well, and I think you're just furthering my point. Such accusations aren't impressive, they're almost to be expected. We can handle them, we'll reply to them, everyone will have done their politicking duty. What matters and what really is impressive is this treaty. Two of the historically largest and most successful UCRs coming together to forge the promise of cooperation and a common future. That is huge.