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Postby Dawn Denac » Wed Mar 30, 2022 9:35 pm

Quebecshire wrote:Since when have raiders ever been flag-bearers of due process and the rule of law?

And I thought you all were performative before. I doubt the LKE-Europeia alliance will be so shaken by your insincere and supposed concerns.


Nah, don't come at me like you know me in either the IC or OOC sense to behave like that.

Try again, take your time.
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Postby Mauroa » Wed Mar 30, 2022 9:35 pm

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Looks like you were right. You probably weren't expecting a banject though, lmao. Can't stand authoritarian regions who conduct themselves like that.

Go away man


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Postby Zeorus » Wed Mar 30, 2022 9:36 pm

Quebecshire wrote:Since when have raiders ever been flag-bearers of due process and the rule of law?

And I thought you all were performative before. I doubt the LKE-Europeia alliance will be so shaken by your insincere and supposed concerns.


"Maintain a Founder, Sign a Treaty, Raider Unity" wouldn't make much sense if we don't care about those things, now would it?
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Postby The Universe World » Wed Mar 30, 2022 9:38 pm

Quebecshire wrote:Since when have raiders ever been flag-bearers of due process and the rule of law?

And I thought you all were performative before. I doubt the LKE-Europeia alliance will be so shaken by your insincere and supposed concerns.

Raiders have always upheld that in regards to internal affairs, which is what this is. External affairs is a different story.
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Postby Malicious Souls » Wed Mar 30, 2022 9:38 pm

Quebecshire wrote:Since when have raiders ever been flag-bearers of due process and the rule of law?

And I thought you all were performative before. I doubt the LKE-Europeia alliance will be so shaken by your insincere and supposed concerns.


Due process and law? No, just think it's really a dick move to banject your own delegate for questioning the glaring gaps in your BS. I'm certain it was legal under LKE law.
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Postby Dawn Denac » Wed Mar 30, 2022 9:40 pm

Even if you want to ignore me off the post of me being a raider, your ally just ejected their elected and trusted WAD for questioning their government. I couldn't care for your due process or law, and it still it is screwed up your ally doesn't elect to follow them, your ally just thrashed someone on a whim for questioning them. That's a blatant tactical, strategical and just plain dumb move. But I don't know what I'm talking about, so I'm going to go back to my chimpanzee cage in the exhibit.

EDIT: You to they.
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Postby Onderkelkia » Wed Mar 30, 2022 9:54 pm

The Dominion of Acielon is not a bystander who happened to express doubts, but one of the four individuals (with Gankands, Valfor, Rose Weisberg-Talleyrand) who resigned in coordination from the Imperial Army. Their contributions will be similarly coordinated and are not an indicator of anything.

As it is inappropriate for them to continue to represent the region as WA Delegate under the circumstances, The Dominion of Acielon is removed as Delegate. As to their long-term status more generally, that is a matter that would be determined in due course under the applicable constitutional process.
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Postby Rose Weisberg-Talleyrand » Wed Mar 30, 2022 9:56 pm

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Postby Dawn Denac » Wed Mar 30, 2022 9:57 pm

Onderkelkia wrote:The Dominion of Acielon is not a bystander who happened to express doubts, but one of the four individuals (with Gankands, Valfor, Rose Weisberg-Talleyrand) who resigned in coordination from the Imperial Army. Their contributions will be similarly coordinated and are not an indicator of anything.

As it is inappropriate for them to continue to represent the region as WA Delegate under the circumstances, The Dominion of Acielon is removed as Delegate. As to their long-term status more generally, that is a matter that would be determined in due course under the applicable constitutional process.


It's positively wild your recently elected Delegate who had no idea of what was going on JUST HAPPENED to be part of a conspiracy you can prove no material links to JUST as he questioned what was going on.

Positively wild, Onder.
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Postby RiderSyl » Wed Mar 30, 2022 9:59 pm

Onderkelkia wrote:The Dominion of Acielon is not a bystander who happened to express doubts, but one of the four individuals (with Gankands, Valfor, Rose Weisberg-Talleyrand) who resigned in coordination from the Imperial Army. Their contributions will be similarly coordinated and are not an indicator of anything.

As it is inappropriate for them to continue to represent the region as WA Delegate under the circumstances, The Dominion of Acielon is removed as Delegate. As to their long-term status more generally, that is a matter that would be determined in due course under the applicable constitutional process.


"Anything that speaks out against me is part of a coordinated effort against me" is... quite a narrative.
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Postby Onderkelkia » Wed Mar 30, 2022 9:59 pm

Rose Weisberg-Talleyrand wrote:I see you are neglecting my wife again

Astrid Weisberg renounced her citizenship - after her attempt to coerce the Crown into lifting the policy on Brotherhood of Malice alone failed. She notably did not resign from the Imperial Army prior to that, as the others listed had done, hoping to retain her position as CIGS if her "compromise" was struck.
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Postby The Universe World » Wed Mar 30, 2022 10:01 pm

Onderkelkia wrote:
Rose Weisberg-Talleyrand wrote:I see you are neglecting my wife again

Astrid Weisberg renounced her citizenship - after her attempt to coerce the Crown into lifting the policy on Brotherhood of Malice alone failed. She notably did not resign from the Imperial Army prior to that, as the others listed had done, hoping to retain her position as CIGS if her "compromise" was struck.

Are these two actually married or is this role play? I must know.
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Dawn Denac
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Postby Dawn Denac » Wed Mar 30, 2022 10:02 pm

Onderkelkia wrote:
Rose Weisberg-Talleyrand wrote:I see you are neglecting my wife again

Astrid Weisberg renounced her citizenship - after her attempt to coerce the Crown into lifting the policy on Brotherhood of Malice alone failed. She notably did not resign from the Imperial Army prior to that, as the others listed had done, hoping to retain her position as CIGS if her "compromise" was struck.


Like Gankads showed, do you have any actual proof or are we just going to go around in a Benny Hill skit until we get tired of posting here again?
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Rose Weisberg-Talleyrand
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Postby Rose Weisberg-Talleyrand » Wed Mar 30, 2022 10:04 pm

Onderkelkia wrote:
Rose Weisberg-Talleyrand wrote:I see you are neglecting my wife again

Astrid Weisberg renounced her citizenship - after her attempt to coerce the Crown into lifting the policy on Brotherhood of Malice alone failed. She notably did not resign from the Imperial Army prior to that, as the others listed had done, hoping to retain her position as CIGS if her "compromise" was struck.


Oh, you mean, trying to work something reasonable out so that you wouldn't lose much of Imperial Command?

That's still ignoring the fact that I spent a good five hours talking down Valfor and Raeliana, and got them to sign a statement agreeing that we were wrong
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Postby Rose Weisberg-Talleyrand » Wed Mar 30, 2022 10:06 pm

The Universe World wrote:
Onderkelkia wrote:Astrid Weisberg renounced her citizenship - after her attempt to coerce the Crown into lifting the policy on Brotherhood of Malice alone failed. She notably did not resign from the Imperial Army prior to that, as the others listed had done, hoping to retain her position as CIGS if her "compromise" was struck.

Are these two actually married or is this role play? I must know.


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Postby Dawn Denac » Wed Mar 30, 2022 10:06 pm

Also Quebecshire, putting aside the defender and raider rhetoric back and forth for a moment.

What is your personal opinion on the delegate ban?
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Postby The Universe World » Wed Mar 30, 2022 10:09 pm

Rose Weisberg-Talleyrand wrote:
The Universe World wrote:Are these two actually married or is this role play? I must know.


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That is nice :).
Dawn Denac wrote:Also Quebecshire, putting aside the defender and raider rhetoric back and forth for a moment.

What is your personal opinion on the delegate ban?

I think he is against it but likely will not say that in order to avoid chastisement from his allies.
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Postby Quebecshire » Wed Mar 30, 2022 10:10 pm

Dawn Denac wrote:Also Quebecshire, putting aside the defender and raider rhetoric back and forth for a moment.

What is your personal opinion on the delegate ban?

That it is not an issue of or for my region so it is not necessary for me to have an opinion, nor hand you a talking point.
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Postby The Universe World » Wed Mar 30, 2022 10:11 pm

Quebecshire wrote:
Dawn Denac wrote:Also Quebecshire, putting aside the defender and raider rhetoric back and forth for a moment.

What is your personal opinion on the delegate ban?

That it is not an issue of or for my region so it is not necessary for me to have an opinion, nor hand you a talking point.

Anddddd there it is.
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Postby Dawn Denac » Wed Mar 30, 2022 10:13 pm

Quebecshire wrote:
Dawn Denac wrote:Also Quebecshire, putting aside the defender and raider rhetoric back and forth for a moment.

What is your personal opinion on the delegate ban?

That it is not an issue of or for my region so it is not necessary for me to have an opinion, nor hand you a talking point.


Yeah it's not a talking point for me to launch at you, berate or insult you for. I was asking your personal opinion, but that's about the reply I expected to get on here.
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Postby Dawn Denac » Wed Mar 30, 2022 10:15 pm

The Universe World wrote:
Quebecshire wrote:That it is not an issue of or for my region so it is not necessary for me to have an opinion, nor hand you a talking point.

Anddddd there it is.


I personally don't know where I land in Quebec's mind in a good or bad way, and I know he's perfectly capable of stating his opinion even if other people plainly will go against him.

However, not the thread for that and he's stated he won't talk about it so there's little point in continuing that conversation.
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Postby RiderSyl » Wed Mar 30, 2022 10:18 pm

Quebecshire wrote:
Dawn Denac wrote:Also Quebecshire, putting aside the defender and raider rhetoric back and forth for a moment.

What is your personal opinion on the delegate ban?

That it is not an issue of or for my region so it is not necessary for me to have an opinion, nor hand you a talking point.

Your region's irrelevancy here didn't stop you from offering unnecessary opinions before this. I guess the League's relevancy in affairs depends entirely on how advantageous it is for the League to comment on those affairs.
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Postby Quebecshire » Wed Mar 30, 2022 10:24 pm

RiderSyl wrote:Your region's irrelevancy here didn't stop you from offering unnecessary opinions before this.

You seem to be missing the point. I, like many others, can comment on inter-regional affairs, be it personally (like I have here) or for TL, because those are, well, inter-regional affairs. LKE forcing a delegacy switch is functionally an internal matter for the LKE, and it is therefore not my responsibility nor role to pass judgement on it.
RiderSyl wrote:I guess the League's relevancy in affairs depends entirely on how advantageous it is for the League to comment on those affairs.

That said, generally, yes, this is how conducting FA according to your region's interests works, indeed.

In any case, I suspect that the ban is not necessarily the core topic of this thread.
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Postby Dawn Denac » Wed Mar 30, 2022 10:27 pm

Quebecshire wrote:
RiderSyl wrote:Your region's irrelevancy here didn't stop you from offering unnecessary opinions before this.

You seem to be missing the point. I, like many others, can comment on inter-regional affairs, be it personally (like I have here) or for TL, because those are, well, inter-regional affairs. LKE forcing a delegacy switch is functionally an internal matter for the LKE, and it is therefore not my responsibility nor role to pass judgement on it.
RiderSyl wrote:I guess the League's relevancy in affairs depends entirely on how advantageous it is for the League to comment on those affairs.

That said, generally, yes, this is how conducting FA according to your region's interests works, indeed.

In any case, I suspect that the ban is not necessarily the core topic of this thread.


Not particularly. Admittedly I should likely of put the ban on the LKE thread that was made for this specific situation, so that fault's on me. I do however, still have an interest in this conspiratorial web that BoM somehow made its way into, or as Gankads showed, the latest in a line of regions to be used as a scapegoat.

EDIT: I can't type so I fixed my spelling.
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Postby The Universe World » Wed Mar 30, 2022 10:28 pm

Quebecshire wrote:
RiderSyl wrote:Your region's irrelevancy here didn't stop you from offering unnecessary opinions before this.

You seem to be missing the point. I, like many others, can comment on inter-regional affairs, be it personally (like I have here) or for TL, because those are, well, inter-regional affairs. LKE forcing a delegacy switch is functionally an internal matter for the LKE, and it is therefore not my responsibility nor role to pass judgement on it.
RiderSyl wrote:I guess the League's relevancy in affairs depends entirely on how advantageous it is for the League to comment on those affairs.

That said, generally, yes, this is how conducting FA according to your region's interests works, indeed.

In any case, I suspect that the ban is not necessarily the core topic of this thread.

In theory the core topic is Europeia itself.
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