Europeian Embassy - In Solidarity

[Writinglegend]

Why would you go on a RAID with us if for 13 days later you'd say "We never work together"

Everything that is said above me regarding the operation is, to my knowledge, accurate. I just want to clear up this misconception. The statement states that there was little cooperation, not that "We never work together".

[Some Thoughts]

Look at who's getting the most benefit here? The New Pacific Order.

I would say they're influencing Europeia at this moment so that they can lure The South Pacific to their side. At that point, The West Pacific, The East Pacific, the South Pacific, and Balder would be on their side, not including Lazarus, which I'm currently not exactly sure if the Undead Dominion is really ok with the NPO. However, that would make The North Pacific, the NPO's greatest enemy, along with Osiris, be the only major GCRs that are actually against/unfriendly to the NPO.

Maybe you should stick to keeping your thoughts to yourself.

Until the NPO ends up taking over Europeia, just like how it took over St Abbaddon? Yeah, right.

[Kylia Quilor]

The NPO is manipulating Europeia?

That is even sillier than Glen's Rahlspiracy in the Lazarus mess.

Why not? The NPO must be laughing its head off at the rest of us ignorant people, proceeding with its plan to gain good ties with the GCRs, only to invade one of them again.

Perhaps the NPO gains - that's possible. But the notion that they're pulling the strings of Europeia in some fashion is requires some mighty powerful drugs.

[Yun]

*Raises eyebrow* There was a joint TSP-TNP-Europeia-etc RAID conducted 13 days ago. I'd know since 13 SPSF updater/soldiers attended that update, and the pile was around 50-ish higher because *everyone* deployed.
Sorry but that wasn't why I agreed to joint military cooperation, my TSP Generals agreed for the purpose of the military operation, and TRUST. I didn't REALIZE that there was ongoing dissent in your region against working with us. Until today. Why would you go on a RAID with us if for 13 days later you'd say "We never work together" You'd wonder why TSP talks to defenders and less with you, you don't realize that I have open mindedness and would work with small or large regions trying to get into military gameplay, regardless of alignment (as long as they're not out after our heads e.e)

Sincerely,
Yun
SPSF head honcho boss

The ERN was co-operating with TNP, because TNP approached us. TSP did not approach us, and as far as I and the ERN was concerned, we were aiding TNP.

-Kylia Quilor, the Grand Admiral of the ERN at the time of that Operation.

I should've known

The recent joint operation was also led by The North Pacific, not TSP, so it's a bit rich to see TSP claiming that was a case of reaching out to Europeia.

No, Cormactopia, it was joint-led. 50%/50%, I reached out to half the allies who attended, TNP reached out to half theirs.

I just.... Okay, Europeia was on TNP's list. I understand now.

But the SPSF gets 50% credit.

Our jump point, Versailles Isle, was used, we offered to trigger, we had two point nations, a General from TSP and a General from TNP, and we both formed a list of allies we would reach out to, and divided the list. So Europeia getting requested from TNP's end was like a flip of the coin.

I get it now. If I had asked you, instead of Gladio, you'd have said No.

[Some Thoughts]

Why not? The NPO must be laughing its head off at the rest of us ignorant people, proceeding with its plan to gain good ties with the GCRs, only to invade one of them again.

Perhaps the NPO gains - that's possible. But the notion that they're pulling the strings of Europeia in some fashion is requires some mighty powerful drugs.

You're the Europeian idealist. I'm the cynicist. If Europeia doesn't wake up now, it quite frankly will go to sleep forever, especially with what I consider to be the Lazarene distraction.

[Unibot III]

Perhaps the NPO gains - that's possible. But the notion that they're pulling the strings of Europeia in some fashion is requires some mighty powerful drugs.

You're the Europeian idealist. I'm the cynicist. If Europeia doesn't wake up now, it quite frankly will go to sleep forever, especially with what I consider to be the Lazarene distraction.

For the record, I just want it to be known, I'm not this guy.

[Deladara]

Perhaps the NPO gains - that's possible. But the notion that they're pulling the strings of Europeia in some fashion is requires some mighty powerful drugs.

You're the Europeian idealist. I'm the cynicist. If Europeia doesn't wake up now, it quite frankly will go to sleep forever, especially with what I consider to be the Lazarene distraction.

"You're the Europeian idealist"
You clearly haven't met Kylia

I assure you, Europeia is awake. President Writinglegend has been leading this region for over a year, he knows what he's doing. Unless Gleg is part of some NPO conspiracy theory

[King HEM]

Perhaps the NPO gains - that's possible. But the notion that they're pulling the strings of Europeia in some fashion is requires some mighty powerful drugs.

You're the Europeian idealist. I'm the cynicist. If Europeia doesn't wake up now, it quite frankly will go to sleep forever, especially with what I consider to be the Lazarene distraction.

I'm not sure what "sleep" means in this context exactly.

That we become someone else's puppet? Fat chance, with how tenacious and annoying us Europeians are.

That we die off? I mean, not going to tempt fate here, but we've been going for a pretty long time and arguably have one of the most active collections of NS offsite properties.

For the record: this was really sad for me to see. While real life has long caused me to limit most of my recent NS escapades to Europeia, I still always consider TSP a second home for the 4ish years I spent there. To be quite honest though, I barely recognize what I see there as a player. I was looking around at some topics and saw a thread where longtime former Delegate Southern Bellz was treated really quite poorly for proposing an idea in the Assembly. I'm not sure of everything that's happened there since I left, but the totality of it seems really quite sad.

[Some Thoughts]

You're the Europeian idealist. I'm the cynicist. If Europeia doesn't wake up now, it quite frankly will go to sleep forever, especially with what I consider to be the Lazarene distraction.

"You're a Europeian idealist"
You clearly haven't met Kylia

Presuming that the NPO isn't pulling the strings of Europeia is the ideal condition at this point. However, with whatever the NPO is mixing up in Europeia, I rather go down in my anti-drama bunker to avoid the next megathread for a region: The Europeian Scandal Megathread.

[Deladara]

"You're a Europeian idealist"
You clearly haven't met Kylia

Presuming that the NPO isn't pulling the strings of Europeia is the ideal condition at this point. However, with whatever the NPO is mixing up in Europeia, I rather go down in my anti-drama bunker to avoid the next megathread for a region: The Europeian Scandal Megathread.

Whatever you do in NS, Some Thought, I hope you never change. I'll need some entertainment in the GP thread. Cormac's antics don't entertain me all that much anymore.

[Brunhizzle]

I have legitimately never heard a more ridiculous assertion in the entirety of my time in NationStates.

And I was just accused of pulling together a host of regions to attack KGB.

[Cormactopia Prime]

The recent joint operation was also led by The North Pacific, not TSP, so it's a bit rich to see TSP claiming that was a case of reaching out to Europeia.

No, Cormactopia, it was joint-led. 50%/50%, I reached out to half the allies who attended, TNP reached out to half theirs.

I just.... Okay, Europeia was on TNP's list. I understand now.

But the SPSF gets 50% credit.

Our jump point, Versailles Isle, was used, we offered to trigger, we had two point nations, a General from TSP and a General from TNP, and we both formed a list of allies we would reach out to, and divided the list. So Europeia getting requested from TNP's end was like a flip of the coin.

Yes, I realized I worded that completely wrong and went back to edit it. What I meant to say was that TNP invited Europeia, not that TNP led the operation, but it all came out wrong so I needed to reword it. The point is that TNP, not TSP, invited Europeia to that operation.

I get it now. If I had asked you, instead of Gladio, you'd have said No.

That isn't what Kylia said. She simply said it was TNP, not TSP, that invited Europeia, which means this really isn't a valid way for TSP to claim that it has been at all interested in its alliance with Europeia. Yes, there was a joint operation, but it's not like TSP invited Europeia.

[Kylia Quilor]

You're the Europeian idealist. I'm the cynicist. If Europeia doesn't wake up now, it quite frankly will go to sleep forever, especially with what I consider to be the Lazarene distraction.

"You're the Europeian idealist"
You clearly haven't met Kylia

I assure you, Europeia is awake. President Writinglegend has been leading this region for over a year, he knows what he's doing. Unless Gleg is part of some NPO conspiracy theory

ily too JayDee

@Yun: If TSP had reached out to me in my capacity as GA, I probably would have consulted with the President, given the state of relations between our two regions, but I would not have rejected working with SPSF out of hand.

[Yun]

Why would you go on a RAID with us if for 13 days later you'd say "We never work together"

Everything that is said above me regarding the operation is, to my knowledge, accurate. I just want to clear up this misconception. The statement states that there was little cooperation, not that "We never work together".

....Well, my 4-month cabinet term ends within next month, and when I step down, I will link this thread to the next soldier electee who will replace me, and let them make their own judgment on whether to follow my mistakes or not.

I didn't push enough cooperation between Europeia and TSP, I have no one to blame but myself for that one. It's not false, I didn't, there was just so much to do in organizing SPSF, I was changing everything (the server, the guides) and setting up new military-related strategies and learning, and training newcomers and returners. We started off with very few members, and now we're huge/active. And then that Lazarus Coup happened that took up my sleep schedule thx to treaty obligations. I was 100% willing to organize a joint raid and request teamwork, but that's pretty difficult and I didn't do that out of sheer incompetency, we just didn't see the point then, when we were occupied organizing internal-structure. It was out of no ill will.

you guys could've joined our defenses, but I wasn't sure how to ask about that (Really suck at the diplomacy thing.) But raid/defense-wise, I acknowledge that I should have reached out more,....

Regardless, thanks for the past teamwork ^^/

[Kylia Quilor]

Everything that is said above me regarding the operation is, to my knowledge, accurate. I just want to clear up this misconception. The statement states that there was little cooperation, not that "We never work together".

....Well, my 4-month cabinet term ends within next month, and when I step down, I will link this thread to the next soldier electee who will replace me, and let them make their own judgment on whether to follow my mistakes or not.

I didn't push enough cooperation between Europeia and TSP, I have no one to blame but myself for that one. It's not false, I didn't, there was just so much to do in organizing SPSF, I was changing everything (the server, the guides) and setting up new military-related strategies and learning, and training newcomers and returners. We started off with very few members, and now we're huge/active. And then that Lazarus Coup happened that took up my sleep schedule thx to treaty obligations. I was 100% willing to organize a joint raid and request teamwork, but that's pretty difficult and I didn't do that out of sheer incompetency, we just didn't see the point then, when we were occupied organizing internal-structure. It was out of no ill will.

you guys could've joined our defenses, but I wasn't sure how to ask about that (Really suck at the diplomacy thing.) But raid/defense-wise, I acknowledge that I should have reached out more,....

Regardless, thanks for the past teamwork ^^/

It wasn't just you, Yun. This has been a long time in coming, whether either side likes or not. Irregardless of anything else, our two regions just don't have the same interests anymore.

[Some Thoughts]

You're the Europeian idealist. I'm the cynicist. If Europeia doesn't wake up now, it quite frankly will go to sleep forever, especially with what I consider to be the Lazarene distraction.

"You're the Europeian idealist"
You clearly haven't met Kylia

I assure you, Europeia is awake. President Writinglegend has been leading this region for over a year, he knows what he's doing. Unless Gleg is part of some NPO conspiracy theory

At least some officials of Europeia are NPO sympathizers.

[Aexnidaral]

"You're the Europeian idealist"
You clearly haven't met Kylia

I assure you, Europeia is awake. President Writinglegend has been leading this region for over a year, he knows what he's doing. Unless Gleg is part of some NPO conspiracy theory

At least some officials of Europeia are NPO sympathizers.

We must inform the Senate! We can start our own HUAC-- SUEC!

[Cormactopia Prime]

<snip>

This has been going on for years, Yuno. You're not to blame. They probably would have recalled you in TSP if you'd been working too closely with Europeia.

[Cobeidha]

Look at who's getting the most benefit here? The New Pacific Order.

I would say they're influencing Europeia at this moment so that they can lure The South Pacific to their side. At that point, The West Pacific, The East Pacific, the South Pacific, and Balder would be on their side, not including Lazarus, which I'm currently not exactly sure if the Undead Dominion is really ok with the NPO. However, that would make The North Pacific, the NPO's greatest enemy, along with Osiris, be the only major GCRs that are actually against/unfriendly to the NPO.

Uh wat

[Deladara]

At least some officials of Europeia are NPO sympathizers.

We must inform the Senate! We can start our own HUAC-- SUEC!

Brilliant idea!! We can start by getting rid of all Aexnidarals!!

[King HEM]

"You're the Europeian idealist"
You clearly haven't met Kylia

I assure you, Europeia is awake. President Writinglegend has been leading this region for over a year, he knows what he's doing. Unless Gleg is part of some NPO conspiracy theory

At least some officials of Europeia are NPO sympathizers.

Um.

Hm.

[Some Thoughts]

We must inform the Senate! We can start our own HUAC-- SUEC!

Brilliant idea!! We can start by getting rid of all Aexnidarals!!

You might as well be joking about the future Funk of Europeia. We might just end up having another Triumvirate, or perhaps a Duumvirate, rule the region of Europeia soon.

[Kanglia]

Look at who's getting the most benefit here? The New Pacific Order.

I would say they're influencing Europeia at this moment so that they can lure The South Pacific to their side. At that point, The West Pacific, The East Pacific, the South Pacific, and Balder would be on their side, not including Lazarus, which I'm currently not exactly sure if the Undead Dominion is really ok with the NPO. However, that would make The North Pacific, the NPO's greatest enemy, along with Osiris, be the only major GCRs that are actually against/unfriendly to the NPO.

[Kylia Quilor]

"You're the Europeian idealist"
You clearly haven't met Kylia

I assure you, Europeia is awake. President Writinglegend has been leading this region for over a year, he knows what he's doing. Unless Gleg is part of some NPO conspiracy theory

At least some officials of Europeia are NPO sympathizers.

I can't think of a single NPO sympathizer in the Europeian government. I mean, most of us aren't actively hostile to the NPO, but who on earth are you talking about?

Also, Europeia has a Founder and the Supreme Chancellery to prevent any sort of Funkesque coup happening.

EDIT: Apparently Some Thoughts has managed to do something few others have done - found common ground between Europeia and TSP for the first time in some time

[Deladara]

Brilliant idea!! We can start by getting rid of all Aexnidarals!!

You might as well be joking about the future Funk of Europeia. We might just end up having another Triumvirate, or perhaps a Duumvirate, rule the region of Europeia soon.

Well, you're not wrong, Europeia is a triumvirate. We refer to them as the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial Branch but w/e