Europeian Embassy - In Solidarity

[Malicious Souls]

Set aside your grating Tim-lite performance for one minute, Quebec, and maybe see how the PNGs and bans are a replacement for blacklisting because the PNGs and bans have no fucking merit outside of just pushing Malice away.

Maybe Malice should think against engaging in direct hostilities against Independents, if they don't want to be unwelcome in Independent Regions.

It's really not rocket science.

1.) Independents declare things like that they've "lost control" of raiders or that they're "almost always going to be a defender."
2.) Independents start libbing in force, stop working with Raiders
3.) Independents start retagging raiders
4.) Raiders send diplomats
5.) Diplomats say "if you keep treating us like an enemy, then we won't respect you and your regions arbitrarily, they'll be targets."
6.) Diplomats are ignored, rejected, told "not interested" by diplomats
6.5) Leading figures in those orgs DM leading figures in ours with vague bait that maybe things will change at some mystery point in the future if we continue to treat them like allies while they diss us. Raiders call BS.
7.) Raiders.....raid.
8.) "BREAKING NEWS, RAIDER COMMIT HOSTILE ACTS OF PROVOCATION. RAIDERS BANNED. HAHA RAIDERS MAD!!!"

I assure you, we've thought this out, we've sent diplomats, we've made compromises until the only thing left to compromise on were core values to raiding, and we've been told to fuck off, repeatedly, loudly, clearly. And also made clear that they're on Onder's leash begging for headpats, to boot. It's indeed not rocket science. Independents, capital "I," made their shift and made up their minds long before we stopped trying to treat with them. We're not going to waste targets dancing around their lawn ornaments while they piss on our doormat. Our diplomatic energies are much better focused on people interested in receiving our diplomats, drafting treaties, and growing friendships.

[Dawn Denac]

So, going to put this question out here -again.-

What time travelling did BoM do to recruit Rose and Astrid into BoM for this action against LKE?

Everything else in this post is fine and I honestly welcome the oncoming memes and such, congratulations all around and such, but if anyone could answer this liiiitttle itty-bitty discrepancy that'd be pretty cool.

This may be the first time I show myself in these Forums but I would like to know that too.

The movement grows! Welcome brother/sister/whatever-you-would-like-to-identify as.

[Nepleslia]

So, going to put this question out here -again.-

What time travelling did BoM do to recruit Rose and Astrid into BoM for this action against LKE?

Everything else in this post is fine and I honestly welcome the oncoming memes and such, congratulations all around and such, but if anyone could answer this liiiitttle itty-bitty discrepancy that'd be pretty cool.

This may be the first time I show myself in these Forums but I would like to know that too.

Same here as well, because if BoM has access to a Time Tunnel, can I pay a visit for, uh, research purposes?

(And check out that hella sick nuclear reactor y’all have~)

Edit: Yes, I know I just dated myself. Shush.

[Lugus Triune]

I take you don't actually ever read BoM's server, then? Cos I do - hi Gladio - and I see the things y'all say.

I also hear about the way you treat people who are supposed to be your allies in other servers.

If you don't want the comparison to TBR and DEN, don't act like them.

So after you said this elsewhere, I went and checked the server, and I just want to know, what am I missing? I misjudged groups and people in the past and was honestly worried it was happening again, but I truly don't know what you're referring to. BoM has been among the least-toxic places I've been in this miserable wasteland.

[RiderSyl]

I take you don't actually ever read BoM's server, then? Cos I do - hi Gladio - and I see the things y'all say.

I also hear about the way you treat people who are supposed to be your allies in other servers.

If you don't want the comparison to TBR and DEN, don't act like them.

So after you said this elsewhere, I went and checked the server, and I just want to know, what am I missing? I misjudged groups and people in the past and was honestly worried it was happening again, but I truly don't know what you're referring to. BoM has been among the least-toxic places I've been in this miserable wasteland.

It's called lying, Lugus. Madjack is lying.

[Zeorus]

In Europeia, we do not feed trolls. The threats and lack of professionalism we received in communications from the Brotherhood weeks ago have been answered with silence and in retaliation they responded with all their angsty, malevolent might by taunting and baiting us on the regional message boards of countless dead and forgotten regions. Let me be clear. The very second a screenshot is taken, we place zero value on our tags. That is why, up until now, I have not addressed their clear and infantile attempts to provoke us.

Interesting that you would claim this, since rather than "silence," you actually responded to me in Discord DMs, then almost immediately deleted it to create the illusion of silence.

Rather than provoke you, we tried to politely approach you - after you provoked us, mind - and inform you of impending military response and offer the opportunity to hash it out diplomatically in case you wanted things not to go this way. Instead you've attempted to spin things as if you didn't start this in the first place and shut down all attempts to avert conflict.

And we're infantile? Oy gevalt.

[Andusre]

Our diplomatic energies are much better focused on people interested in receiving our diplomats, drafting treaties, and growing friendships.

An increasingly small pool of people/regions. I, for one, mourn the loss of the Osiran-Warzone Europe embassy.

[Malicious Souls]

Our diplomatic energies are much better focused on people interested in receiving our diplomats, drafting treaties, and growing friendships.

An increasingly small pool of people/regions. I, for one, mourn the loss of the Osiran-Warzone Europe embassy.

Would that I could show you the treaty drafting room, but alas, that'll have to wait for nice announcements later =)

[Dawn Denac]

This may be the first time I show myself in these Forums but I would like to know that too.

Same here as well, because if BoM has access to a Time Tunnel, can I pay a visit for, uh, research purposes?

(And check out that hella sick nuclear reactor y’all have~)

Edit: Yes, I know I just dated myself. Shush.

If they do have a time tunnel, it's somewhere hidden in Koth or Venico's closet or basement.

(Also what reactor? That's just the radioactive was- Wait)

I'm going to keep asking this question, mind you, until someone addresses it. I want to see what you (Euro) said backed up by some cold hard facts.

EDIT: Syntax

[RiderSyl]

Our diplomatic energies are much better focused on people interested in receiving our diplomats, drafting treaties, and growing friendships.

An increasingly small pool of people/regions. I, for one, mourn the loss of the Osiran-Warzone Europe embassy.

Snarking about how small the pool of people/regions are for Malice's diplomatic efforts while the subject is whether they're being shadow-blacklisted or not.
Great timing on that one, Andy.

I'm going to keep asking this question, mind you, until someone addresses it. I want to see what you (Euro) said backed up by some cold hard facts.

I hope you have a long eternity on your hands.

[Madjack]

Okay, Madjack, honestly, when the idea of "If we blacklist them but just use IC excuses every time" came knocking, did you really think we'd all be so stupid as to NOT recognize what the fuck was really going on?

You again are misusing the word blacklisting when what's happened is BoM have dug their own grave with their own actions. You really think people still want to work with them after the way they've approached both friends and neutrals? You really think we don't recognise their bullshit when they attempt to strongarm regions into signing agreements with them? Or when they "accidentally" hit a region that's part of an org allied to TWP? I suppose it'll come out BoM have closed that Warzone embassy with Osiris by mistake as well.

It's called lying, Lugus. Madjack is lying.

If some of the things that have happened ever actually come out, I hope you remember this post, and apologise.

[Quebecshire]

An increasingly small pool of people/regions. I, for one, mourn the loss of the Osiran-Warzone Europe embassy.

Snarking about how small the pool of people/regions are for Malice's diplomatic efforts while the subject is whether they're being shadow-blacklisted or not.
Great timing on that one, Andy.

Diplomatic isolation =/= blacklisting is still true, by the way.

[Dominion of Acielon]

Same here as well, because if BoM has access to a Time Tunnel, can I pay a visit for, uh, research purposes?

(And check out that hella sick nuclear reactor y’all have~)

Edit: Yes, I know I just dated myself. Shush.

If they do have a time tunnel, it's somewhere hidden in Koth or Venico's closet or basement.

(Also what reactor? That's just the radioactive was- Wait)

I'm going to keep asking this question, mind you, until someone addresses it. I want to see what you (Euro) said backed up by some cold hard facts.

EDIT: Syntax

Well, maybe~
Euro never got evidence, but was simply told that Rose and Astrid were part of a BoM conspiracy.

[Spode Humbled Minions]

HAHA RAIDERS MAD!!!"

To be clear, this is supposed to be a summary of the last 3-4 pages, right?

[Dawn Denac]

If they do have a time tunnel, it's somewhere hidden in Koth or Venico's closet or basement.

(Also what reactor? That's just the radioactive was- Wait)

I'm going to keep asking this question, mind you, until someone addresses it. I want to see what you (Euro) said backed up by some cold hard facts.

EDIT: Syntax

Well, maybe~
Euro never got evidence, but was simply told that Rose and Astrid were part of a BoM conspiracy.

The best part is anyone's entirely free to enter the BoM discord and look back at chat logs to confirm this or not.

[Kazaman]

Same here as well, because if BoM has access to a Time Tunnel, can I pay a visit for, uh, research purposes?

(And check out that hella sick nuclear reactor y’all have~)

Edit: Yes, I know I just dated myself. Shush.

If they do have a time tunnel, it's somewhere hidden in Koth or Venico's closet or basement.

(Also what reactor? That's just the radioactive was- Wait)

I'm going to keep asking this question, mind you, until someone addresses it. I want to see what you (Euro) said backed up by some cold hard facts.

EDIT: Syntax

See the first half of this post for context: viewtopic.php?f=12&t=517164&p=39487234#p39487234

As regards the raider attempt to compel a change to the LKE's foreign policy and the consequences of that attempt, it is evident to me that Valfor's willingness - to directly align with the LKE's external enemies and present their narrative - is at root the result of his reaction to disagreements over his use of powers delegated by the Emperor during Valfor's tenure as Crown Prince and Prince Imperial. I remember and appreciate Valfor's past service to the region - including during my reign of Emperor - with better understanding than the external sponsors who, via Astrid Weisberg and Rose Weisberg-Talleyrand, have encouraged him to pursue this misguided effort in subversion. I am very sad - as sad as I have ever been about any gameplay matter - that Valfor has chosen to align with the LKE's enemies. That being said, Valfor's past deeds do not excuse or legitimise his foreign-backed acts of treason.

Felix, having not stepped into the R/D sphere for 3 years, expected his orders (that went against the advice of his Army command) to be reasonable, and I am told the Army command was never actually consulted. After this edict, several members of the Imperial Army resigned from their posts, including myself. A few of these same members have since been banned or resigned their citizenship altogether, among them are Astrid Weisberg (aka Marnie, Nobunaga Oda).

I note the same condescension you have displayed towards Nulkia throughout his tenures as Crown Prince and now Emperor. This was a matter driven by foreign-policy considerations, not military tactics, and the overarching purpose of the Imperial Army is to act as an instrument of the LKE politically.

What you mean is that several foreign-orchestrated, raider-aligned elements within the LKE attempted to intimidate the Imperial Crown into withdrawing an order which they perceived to be contrary to the interests of raiderism. They attempted to a force a compromise on the Crown whereby the Emperor would exclude the Brotherthood of Malice alone from the order - revealing their objections to be entirely unprincipled and about foreign policy substance, not about the legitimacy of the actual exercise of power involved. When that inevitably failed, they decided to leave.

Prior to the order issued by the Emperor, the members concerned were fundamentally already hostile. Armaros has confirmed that contents from the LKE's cabinet forum were leaked to him by Rose Weisberg-Talleyrand. This was an unequivocal act of espionage and a betrayal one of the region's top officials - and that is what they leaked to someone who had the decency to tell us retrospectively, unlike the core individuals we know to be sponsoring them.

The Emperor acted quickly, and out of necessity, in face of subversion and espionage by a faction irreconcilably opposed to the LKE Crown - and who have been consciously acting throughout, at every step, in collusion with foreign powers unable to accept that LKE is independent and not raider.

[Andusre]

An increasingly small pool of people/regions. I, for one, mourn the loss of the Osiran-Warzone Europe embassy.

Snarking about how small the pool of people/regions are for Malice's diplomatic efforts while the subject is whether they're being shadow-blacklisted or not.
Great timing on that one, Andy.

Need I remind you that you are the one that brought up "shadow-blacklisting" in the first place. As has been pointed out, OOC blacklisting doesn't happen via IC means. Take it from someone who was once blacklisted himself.

That entire train of thought mixes IC & OOC like a kid playing with shampoo in the shower. I want no part of it.

[Dominion of Acielon]

If they do have a time tunnel, it's somewhere hidden in Koth or Venico's closet or basement.

(Also what reactor? That's just the radioactive was- Wait)

I'm going to keep asking this question, mind you, until someone addresses it. I want to see what you (Euro) said backed up by some cold hard facts.

EDIT: Syntax

See the first half of this post for context: viewtopic.php?f=12&t=517164&p=39487234#p39487234

As regards the raider attempt to compel a change to the LKE's foreign policy and the consequences of that attempt, it is evident to me that Valfor's willingness - to directly align with the LKE's external enemies and present their narrative - is at root the result of his reaction to disagreements over his use of powers delegated by the Emperor during Valfor's tenure as Crown Prince and Prince Imperial. I remember and appreciate Valfor's past service to the region - including during my reign of Emperor - with better understanding than the external sponsors who, via Astrid Weisberg and Rose Weisberg-Talleyrand, have encouraged him to pursue this misguided effort in subversion. I am very sad - as sad as I have ever been about any gameplay matter - that Valfor has chosen to align with the LKE's enemies. That being said, Valfor's past deeds do not excuse or legitimise his foreign-backed acts of treason.


I note the same condescension you have displayed towards Nulkia throughout his tenures as Crown Prince and now Emperor. This was a matter driven by foreign-policy considerations, not military tactics, and the overarching purpose of the Imperial Army is to act as an instrument of the LKE politically.

What you mean is that several foreign-orchestrated, raider-aligned elements within the LKE attempted to intimidate the Imperial Crown into withdrawing an order which they perceived to be contrary to the interests of raiderism. They attempted to a force a compromise on the Crown whereby the Emperor would exclude the Brotherthood of Malice alone from the order - revealing their objections to be entirely unprincipled and about foreign policy substance, not about the legitimacy of the actual exercise of power involved. When that inevitably failed, they decided to leave.

Prior to the order issued by the Emperor, the members concerned were fundamentally already hostile. Armaros has confirmed that contents from the LKE's cabinet forum were leaked to him by Rose Weisberg-Talleyrand. This was an unequivocal act of espionage and a betrayal one of the region's top officials - and that is what they leaked to someone who had the decency to tell us retrospectively, unlike the core individuals we know to be sponsoring them.

The Emperor acted quickly, and out of necessity, in face of subversion and espionage by a faction irreconcilably opposed to the LKE Crown - and who have been consciously acting throughout, at every step, in collusion with foreign powers unable to accept that LKE is independent and not raider.

I'm sorry, but exactly how does that tie in with BoM? Or am I missing something?

[RiderSyl]

Snarking about how small the pool of people/regions are for Malice's diplomatic efforts while the subject is whether they're being shadow-blacklisted or not.
Great timing on that one, Andy.

Need I remind you that you are the one that brought up "shadow-blacklisting" in the first place. As has been pointed out, OOC blacklisting doesn't happen via IC means. Take it from someone who was once blacklisted himself.

That entire train of thought mixes IC & OOC like a kid playing with shampoo in the shower. I want no part of it.

Yes, I am the one that brought it up the first place, because that is what's fucking going on. You and everyone else that puts shame and pressure on the player that dares point out the wrong-doing? Y'all are part of the problem with the social structure of Gameplay.

Also you being formerly blacklisted really has nothing to do with what's going on here.

[Kazaman]

See the first half of this post for context: viewtopic.php?f=12&t=517164&p=39487234#p39487234

I'm sorry, but exactly how does that tie in with BoM? Or am I missing something?

The foreign interests Onder refers to are BoM's leadership.

[Madjack]

Need I remind you that you are the one that brought up "shadow-blacklisting" in the first place. As has been pointed out, OOC blacklisting doesn't happen via IC means. Take it from someone who was once blacklisted himself.

That entire train of thought mixes IC & OOC like a kid playing with shampoo in the shower. I want no part of it.

Yes, I am the one that brought it up the first place, because that is what's fucking going on.

Why are you lying? That isn't what's going on here and you know it.

[Dawn Denac]

If they do have a time tunnel, it's somewhere hidden in Koth or Venico's closet or basement.

(Also what reactor? That's just the radioactive was- Wait)

I'm going to keep asking this question, mind you, until someone addresses it. I want to see what you (Euro) said backed up by some cold hard facts.

EDIT: Syntax

See the first half of this post for context: viewtopic.php?f=12&t=517164&p=39487234#p39487234

-snip-

So where do Valfor, Rose and Astrid's actions link to BoM in some sort of deep state-esque plot?

Perhaps the issue itself is separate, and as they say is correlation and not causation.

I literally care for nothing else in this entire current flinging contest besides this little discrepancy. There's no link Valfor, Rose or Astrid performed any of their action in LKE in concert with some sort of ultra-sleeper op by Malice High Command.

[Malicious Souls]

I'm sorry, but exactly how does that tie in with BoM? Or am I missing something?

The foreign interests Onder refers to are BoM's leadership.

I'm just gonna let the ex-LKE peeps reply to this while I laugh my ass off.

[Lugus Triune]

If some of the things that have happened ever actually come out, I hope you remember this post, and apologise.

I mean, I was legitimately asking what exactly I'm missing, because frankly this does seem rather hollow. You keep alluding to truly reprehensible things, but so far all I can see are some people being a bit too heated, and even then they're told to dial it back.

[Dawn Denac]

See the first half of this post for context: viewtopic.php?f=12&t=517164&p=39487234#p39487234


I'm sorry, but exactly how does that tie in with BoM? Or am I missing something?

BoM's actions against LKE are....non-existent.

All we did was accept Rose and Astrid's request for membership when they posted their applications.

EDIT: If Rose or Astrid want to comment on this at all, which I've seen them doing but people have either ignored or missed, I'd rather replies be directed to them. I just absolutely refuse to believe this non-existent ghost string connecting the two to some deep state sleeper plot.