Europeian Embassy - In Solidarity

[Canton Empire]

I love how we're talking about the threat of "defender subversion" when the real threats are the reactionaries in these independent and imperialist regions.

[Common-Sense Politics]

I love how we're talking about the threat of "defender subversion" when the real threats are the reactionaries in these independent and imperialist regions.

What did I tell you? Don't make me repeat myself.

[Warden Roavin]

TSP has been infiltrated and subverted by TGW interests, full stop. Anyone who can't see it doesn't have the chops to comment on it and anyone who denies it is a liar.

Please, do enlighten us with your chops, since I'm apparently too dumb to see it outright. I assume that since you can claim this with such conviction, you should be able to make a case for it. You know, demonstrate probable cause, and all that.

[Consular]

Can I just say that I'm bamused to be considered part of a "defender elite" again.

This is soooo 2012.

I've been accused of being a defender subversive countless times lately. Despite the fact that, as any Warden could attest, I'm immensely lazy and haven't defended much at all.

It's great fun huh

[Unibot III]

TSP has been infiltrated and subverted by TGW interests, full stop. Anyone who can't see it doesn't have the chops to comment on it and anyone who denies it is a liar. The UDL's strategy of dominating GCR communities to advance defenderist interests is back and actionable. It has been Europeia's historical prerogative to be in active opposition to such efforts to dominate the GCR world and I hope that will continue to be the case.

I see the politics, but not the common sense.

Euro hasn't been in "active opposition to" GCR domination, rather its conventional MO is to stick to favourable GCRs like bees to honey and slap the wrists of GCRs that don't share their worldview, wagging its finger disapprovingly.

If you recall the precise text of the Euro-TSP treaty, you'll note it was specifically designed as an anti-FRA, anti-MPA treaty. This shouldn't be surprising, Europeia went as far as to drop treaty negotiations with TRR during Sopo's administration in and around the same time as TSP-Euro treaty was drafted because TNI/LKE was at war with the FRA. Europeia's concern was not the "independence" or sovereign autonomy of game-created regions, it was the strategic containment of perceived political opposition (defenderdom, NPO.)

That geopolitical strategy still remains at play for Europeia. This isn't about what's good for the South Pacific or any other GCR, this is about what is good for Europeia. Which perhaps shouldn't be surprising since that's the guiding principle of independentism.

[Kylia Quilor]

Europeia dropped the treaty with TRR because being allied with two regions that are at war with eachother is silly at best, all but criminally reckless at worst./

[The NAtion OF Froggy]

TGW controls everyone.

because we say it, show no real evidence to any one more than you dislike TGW.

I an neutral in this and I laugh at the craziness you imply. Show me something more then, "if you cant see it.." are we in 2nd grade again.

Its the equivalent of I am rubber you're glue.

[The Noble Thatcherites]

TGW controls everyone.

because we say it, show no real evidence to any one more than you dislike TGW.

I an neutral in this and I laugh at the craziness you imply. Show me something more then, "if you cant see it.." are we in 2nd grade again.

Its the equivalent of I am rubber you're glue.

^^^

[Tim-Opolis]

TSP has been infiltrated and subverted by TGW interests, full stop. Anyone who can't see it doesn't have the chops to comment on it and anyone who denies it is a liar.

Emphasis mine.

"Believe me, the Wardens are everywhere and they're not sending their best, they're sending their memes, their shitposters, it's awful really. Everyone's afraid to say it but it's true, you know it, I know it, he knows it. Anyone who says otherwise is fake news, believe me. Fake News."

You really need to go back to debate classes, CSP, and maybe let go of all those straws you're clutching.

[Deladara]

How quaint everyone calling CSPs post ridiculous is a Defender

[The NAtion OF Froggy]

How quaint everyone calling CSPs post ridiculous is a Defender

not everyone. I dont raid or defend, I would say the same saying TBH is the raider equivalent in a reversed case. I mean, a puppet coming out and making crazy theories are crazy. If its defender raider or Rahl or GCR and UCR.

Crazy is crazy, by another name it goes by.

[Kylia Quilor]

How quaint everyone calling CSPs post ridiculous is a Defender

not everyone. I dont raid or defend, I would say the same saying TBH is the raider equivalent in a reversed case. I mean, a puppet coming out and making crazy theories are crazy. If its defender raider or Rahl or GCR and UCR.

Crazy is crazy, by another name it goes by.

CSP isn't a puppet.

[Thalheim]

How quaint everyone calling CSPs post ridiculous is a Defender

The offended party is defending itself. Colour me surprised.

[Kylia Quilor]

How quaint everyone calling CSPs post ridiculous is a Defender

The offended party is defending itself. Colour me surprised.

[Solorni]

It seems like TGW is the new UDL; warts and all.

[Benevolent Thomas]

I feel as if though the paranoia of TGW is actually being used to manipulate more regions than the amount I even hold sway in.

[The NAtion OF Froggy]

not everyone. I dont raid or defend, I would say the same saying TBH is the raider equivalent in a reversed case. I mean, a puppet coming out and making crazy theories are crazy. If its defender raider or Rahl or GCR and UCR.

Crazy is crazy, by another name it goes by.

CSP isn't a puppet.

we are all puppets of something or someone... Don';t try and deny this!

(my apologies then to the non puppet I called a puppet)

[Glen-Rhodes]

How quaint everyone calling CSPs post ridiculous is a Defender

Or, rather, a couple TSPers are calling CSP's post nonsense, and they'd know better than someone who hasn't step foot in TSP in years, if ever.

[Common-Sense Politics]

I see the politics, but not the common sense.

You're better than that.

If you recall the precise text of the Euro-TSP treaty, you'll note it was specifically designed as an anti-FRA, anti-MPA treaty. This shouldn't be surprising, Europeia went as far as to drop treaty negotiations with TRR during Sopo's administration in and around the same time as TSP-Euro treaty was drafted because TNI/LKE was at war with the FRA. Europeia's concern was not the "independence" or sovereign autonomy of game-created regions, it was the strategic containment of perceived political opposition (defenderdom, NPO.)

Of course I recall it. One of the central pillars of Europeia's worldview is the idea that strong bilateral relationships enrich communities and supra-regional alliances and organizations diminish them so, in a way, you're absolutely correct in asserting that it isn't surprising that we would put language like that in a treaty, especially when you consider that you and your associates have been so intent on turning TSP and other game-created communities into your personal play things for so many years. The "perceived political opposition" was surely that but was and is a direct, tangible threat to the "sovereign autonomy of game-created regions". That's a fact, Jack.

That geopolitical strategy still remains at play for Europeia. This isn't about what's good for the South Pacific or any other GCR, this is about what is good for Europeia. Which perhaps shouldn't be surprising since that's the guiding principle of independentism.

What's good for the game community as a whole is good for Europeia. You don't have to believe it, and you assuredly won't, but strong and sovereign GCRs are something we who've paid attention for the last several years care very much about. You, your associates, and your successors however have again and again done your damnedest to undermine it. The guiding principle of INDEPENDENCE is to act in the interests of your community and your friends, rather than in the interest of pseudo-moralistic bullshit.

[Canton Empire]

I love how we're talking about the threat of "defender subversion" when the real threats are the reactionaries in these independent and imperialist regions.

What did I tell you? Don't make me repeat myself.

Considering the crazy statements you just made, I probably took what you said with a grain of salt.

[An Amphibious Equation]

What did I tell you? Don't make me repeat myself.

Considering the crazy statements you just made, I probably took what you said with a grain of salt.

Disagree with him, think his views are skewed, but he makes far more sense than anything you say Constie.

[Canton Empire]

Considering the crazy statements you just made, I probably took what you said with a grain of salt.

Disagree with him, think his views are skewed, but he makes far more sense than anything you say Constie.

I know for a fact that the dumbest things I say make more sense than CSP's McCarthy style rants.

[Deladara]

Disagree with him, think his views are skewed, but he makes far more sense than anything you say Constie.

I know for a fact that the dumbest things I say make more sense than CSP's McCarthy style rants.

If irony were a weapon, Constie would be dead.

[Kylia Quilor]

Disagree with him, think his views are skewed, but he makes far more sense than anything you say Constie.

I know for a fact that the dumbest things I say make more sense than CSP's McCarthy style rants.

With brilliant skills like that, no wonder you went so far in Europeia, Constie!

[Canton Empire]

At least paranoia doesn't stop their snark.