[SPLIT] Balder, TSP, Osiris etc.

[Solorni]

I'm happy to hear that TSP & Osiris have learned from and copied Balder's system.

[Unibot III]

I'm happy to hear that TSP & Osiris have learned from and copied Balder's system.

TSP is not a monarchy.

[Sandaoguo]

I'm happy to hear that TSP & Osiris have learned from and copied Balder's system.

To the contrary, TSP isn't a decrepit region run in perpetuity by NES and the monarch under him

Anyways, Osiris hasn't learned. The whole story was how Cormac wanted a constitutional monarchy and NK thwarted that idea, presumably because NK wanted to be Delegate.

[Onderkelkia]

I'm happy to hear that TSP & Osiris have learned from and copied Balder's system.

To the contrary, TSP isn't a decrepit region run in perpetuity by NES and the monarch under him

Anyways, Osiris hasn't learned. The whole story was how Cormac wanted a constitutional monarchy and NK thwarted that idea, presumably because NK wanted to be Delegate.

Far from being "decrepit", if we go on today's post count statistics, Balder presently has the highest forum activity level of all four sinker regions. Naturally, such statistics fluctuate, but the reality is that Balder's activity is either at or above the level which would be expected of a region in our position.

Balder is a parliamentary democracy where decisions on domestic and foreign policy are made by the people's elected representatives. We recently concluded a lively and competitive set of elections to our Storting. Far from the Monarchy exceeding its constitutional role, I can tell you that neither Gabriel Xavier, my predecessor, nor I have received any significant input on any matter of policy from either the Queen or the Crown Prince.

Our Delegate has a role akin to that of a founder in a user-created region. Unless you believe that all user-created regions are inherently incapable of functioning as democracies (or perhaps believe that all monarchies should be opposed, despite your claims that there was no attempt to victimise regions for adopting monarchist systems at the time of the Monarchist Conference), there is no reason whatsoever to regard us as remotely undemocratic.

[Glen-Rhodes]

I can tell you that neither Gabriel Xavier, my predecessor, nor I have received any significant input on any matter of policy from either the Queen or the Crown Prince.

My point exactly

[Onderkelkia]

I can tell you that neither Gabriel Xavier, my predecessor, nor I have received any significant input on any matter of policy from either the Queen or the Crown Prince.

My point exactly

Only if your "point" was that the Balder Monarchy has not tried to intervene in matters which fall within the realm of the Executive. If the Queen and Crown Prince have not even sought to provide input into decision-making processes, then how exactly do they control the decisions made by the Statsminister?

All executive authority within Balder is vested in the Statsminister and the Statsraadet, who are in turn accountable to the Storting. The region is run through these mechanisms. Short of involving themselves in those processes, the Monarchy is not in the position to run either foreign or domestic policy.

For better or worse, Balder is run by its elected politicians. Any suggestion otherwise is profoundly ignorant.

[Belschaft]

*nods*

Onder is right on this one Glen. Unless you're accusing Rach and NES - without any evidence - of meddling behind the scenes and undermining the constitution of Balder, the division of power between the head-of-state and head-of-government isn't that much different from the one we use in TSP. The monarchy has security powers that we invest in the Committee for Regional Security, and serves until they are removed by a no confidence motion or resign instead of our regular elections - those are really the only major differences.

[Glen-Rhodes]

My "point" is that a decrepit region *would* have an uninvolved permanent monarchy :-*

[Onderkelkia]

My "point" is that a decrepit region *would* have an uninvolved permanent monarchy :-*

Your argument is that because the Balder Monarchy does not interfere in regional politics, we can assume that the region is consequently "decrepit"?

You fundamentally misunderstand the function of a constitutional monarchy, at least in Balder's case. The role of the Monarch is to provide security and stability (in particular, protecting the in-game delegacy) and serve as a figurehead, in a role akin to a non-executive head of state in real life. That is very different from acting as a back-seat driver in setting policy for the regional government, which is what you appear to think they should be doing.

[Glen-Rhodes]

You fundamentally misunderstand the function of a constitutional monarchy, at least in Balder's case.

I'm pretty sure in Balder's case, it's there to give Rach a position and to keep NES and other imperialists firmly planted.

Anyways, TSP > Balder. Undebatable! Let's get back to Osiris.

[Onderkelkia]

You fundamentally misunderstand the function of a constitutional monarchy, at least in Balder's case.

I'm pretty sure in Balder's case, it's there to give Rach a position and to keep NES and other imperialists firmly planted.

No, its role is to provide the security which is necessary for democracy to take place in a stable environment. In that regard, Balder's record is impeccable. Most game-created regions have some kind of security council which focuses on maintaining in-game security. Balder achieves this through our monarchy, rather than giving the delegacy to elected politicians who change frequently, in the same way that UCRs do not transfer control of their founder nation.

As for the remark about "other imperialists", one can only assume that is intended as a reference to me (if you are alleging that there are several other imperialists active in Balder, then excepting Theoden Sebastian, I would be interested to know where they all are). The Balder Monarchy existed for a rather long time before I become actively involved in the region. I serve as Statsminister not through the Monarchy's choice but through vote of the Storting, and after the topping the polls in Storting elections in three consecutive elections. It is democracy which keeps me "planted" in Balder, not the Monarchy.

Anyways, TSP > Balder. Undebatable! Let's get back to Osiris.

Looking to get out of the discussion so soon?

I am happy to henceforth cease discussing the matter here in Osiris's embassy, but your remarks regarding Balder have been ignorant and insulting.

[Sedgistan]

Threadjack split out, so feel free to keep discussing it now.

[Solorni]

TSP has had many more coups and it's adminship was considered so corrupt at one point, that it was couped. I mean, you do roleplay as a corrupt politician in NS so I guess it makes sense why you would prefer it. But do know that different regions have different standards.

[Kringalia]

I'm happy to hear that TSP & Osiris have learned from and copied Balder's system.

In all fairness, what TSP did was return to its original system, the one adopted in 2003 and reformed in 2010 (?).

Which isn't a system I like, for a variety of reasons, but alas, that's what the region seemed to want.

[Solorni]

I'm happy to hear that TSP & Osiris have learned from and copied Balder's system.

In all fairness, what TSP did was return to its original system, the one adopted in 2003 and reformed in 2010 (?).

Which isn't a system I like, for a variety of reasons, but alas, that's what the region seemed to want.

I know that feeling.... there are so many things in Balder's laws that irritate me so much that we can't seem to get rid of! There is this dumb requirement that a citizen has to be in the region for x amount of time before running for Storting or being a minister.... somehow it keeps surviving lol. Although I think it was reduced recently.